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03-13-2013, 11:30 PM
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who mentioned mcilrath?

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who mentioned mcilrath?
I did.

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I did.
But why? It's not like we're expecting the same physicality...

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But why? It's not like we're expecting the same physicality...
Because the guy called Rutkowski a physical defender. But thanks guys for nitpicking the MOST unimportant part of the post.

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03-14-2013, 12:26 AM
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Because the guy called Rutkowski a physical defender. But thanks guys for nitpicking the MOST unimportant part of the post.
That poster pretty much just looks at the height of a prospect and if he's 6'2 or taller he likes him.

I haven't the least bit of doubt that 3 years ago he would have traded Erik Karlsson for Hal Gill. He likes tall players. It's his thing; a fixation on big, tough, manly players who may or may not possess good hockey skills.

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03-14-2013, 12:27 AM
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What? Rutkowski has no edge to his game what-so-ever. He hits, but is NO where close to McIlrath. Also Rutkowski is a decent skater as well.

I was able to watch him the last 3 years of his career and he simply didn't progress like the Avs would've hoped, also don't think his stats are great for an overage defenseman. After my 25th or 30th viewing of him I suggest that he is a lot like Matt Hunwick. Hunwick is a better skater, but Rutkowski is a tougher player. Both have the same skill set as a bottom pairing OFD. As a WHL scout and Avs fan, I think we should've given him a shot with a ELC, but TBH he isn't that big of a deal.

Hope he progresses for you guys and becomes a bottom pairing defenseman, but don't be surprised if he's a good AHL player, but isn't made for the NHL.
Appreciate the info on him, thanks. It's probably best for our fanbase to temper their expectations a bit. And it's good to hear a realistic report on him now than much later down the line.

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That poster pretty much just looks at the height of a prospect and if he's 6'2 or taller he likes him.

I haven't the least bit of doubt that 3 years ago he would have traded Erik Karlsson for Hal Gill. He likes tall players. It's his thing; a fixation on big, tough, manly players who may or may not possess good hockey skills.
In other words, he's a big fan of the "truculence."

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That poster pretty much just looks at the height of a prospect and if he's 6'2 or taller he likes him.

I haven't the least bit of doubt that 3 years ago he would have traded Erik Karlsson for Hal Gill. He likes tall players. It's his thing; a fixation on big, tough, manly players who may or may not possess good hockey skills.


We have a few of those on the Avs board as well. But yeah you can't look at size and get an opinion on him. Because everyone would think 5' 11" - 169lbs Rinaldo is a soft player. I actually don't think he is 169, more like 180ish, but says it on the Flyers website, http://flyers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

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We have a few of those on the Avs board as well. But yeah you can't look at size and get an opinion on him. Because everyone would think 5' 11" - 169lbs Rinaldo is a soft player. I actually don't think he is 169, more like 180ish, but says it on the Flyers website, http://flyers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm
Agreed.

Marchand
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Hell even Gallagher for the Habs tonight. Diving puke that he is, he's still far from a soft player.

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03-14-2013, 12:44 AM
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Agreed.

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Hell even Gallagher for the Habs tonight. Diving puke that he is, he's still far from a soft player.
I say such people should be sentenced to watch Theo Fleury career highlight videos on an infinite loop.

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03-14-2013, 02:06 AM
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I just saw the past few games, it's only a 2 game sample size so take it as a grain of salt.

What jumped out at me was his play on the PP. It seemed to be a lot less conventional, he would start at the point, and work his way in front of the net. Now I assume this is how the Winterhawks want to set up the PP, but to see him in front of the net was surprising to me. I also wonder if that's how he has 20 goals this season.

Besides that, he looked pretty average on a very good hockey club. Not good, not bad, just average. However, it could turn into a pretty decent pickup, the Sens seem to get the most out of their young players/prospects.

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03-14-2013, 02:08 AM
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he would start at the point, and work his way in front of the net.
Karlsson 2.0 confirmed.

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Karlsson 2.0 confirmed.
By in front of the net, I meant screen the goalie/blue paint in front of the net.

I wasn't aware Karlsson was that type of player...

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By in front of the net, I meant screen the goalie/blue paint in front of the net.
Ah nah he doesn't do that. Many of Karlsson's PP goals look like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Epvdltwqgo#t=0m15s

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03-14-2013, 02:28 AM
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By in front of the net, I meant screen the goalie/blue paint in front of the net.

I wasn't aware Karlsson was that type of player...
Sounds like Chara 2.0 (when he was with us)

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Ah nah he doesn't do that. Many of Karlsson's PP goals look like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Epvdltwqgo#t=0m15s
I could watch that all day long and ask for more helpings.

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I could watch that all day long and ask for more helpings.
True but that Karlsson sucked, was barely an all-star, and like Phil Kessel, was the last D picked at the all-star game.

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True but that Karlsson sucked, was barely an all-star, and like Phil Kessel, was the last D picked at the all-star game.
Yep, a flash-in-the-pan defensive liability. And without any shred of truculence, to make matters worse.

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Ah nah he doesn't do that. Many of Karlsson's PP goals look like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Epvdltwqgo#t=0m15s
All I can say is that he better come back able to skate like that.

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Flyers should consider Troy Rutkowski: A Poor Man’s Justin Schultz

Found this link:

http://flyersfaithful.com/2013/02/12...ustin-schultz/

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Great article, and a great find!

Now I'm praying that there's truth to this rumor, especially with the Justin Schultz comparison and the ugly memories of a certain "great one" putting the kibosh on that deal.

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I like when the Murrays make aggressive moves like this - hopefully it pays off down the road. Haven't seen Rutkowski play much, but his statistics certainly suggest he has potential.

My guess is that the Sens brass feel that Rutkowski has more upside and a better chance to make the NHL than Jordan Fransoo (7th rounder in 2011) and that they will let Fransoo go unsigned at June 1st...but just speculation on my part.

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As I said in the trade rumour thread. Brilliant signing. I know a friend who watched the Winterhawks and he raves about this kid so much. An overager but this guy is a leader who drops the gloves when he has to, is very physical and has a brilliant shot.
Does not compute.

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What? Rutkowski has no edge to his game what-so-ever. He hits, but is NO where close to McIlrath. Also Rutkowski is a decent skater as well.

I was able to watch him the last 3 years of his career and he simply didn't progress like the Avs would've hoped, also don't think his stats are great for an overage defenseman. After my 25th or 30th viewing of him I suggest that he is a lot like Matt Hunwick. Hunwick is a better skater, but Rutkowski is a tougher player. Both have the same skill set as a bottom pairing OFD. As a WHL scout and Avs fan, I think we should've given him a shot with a ELC, but TBH he isn't that big of a deal.

Hope he progresses for you guys and becomes a bottom pairing defenseman, but don't be surprised if he's a good AHL player, but isn't made for the NHL.

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Great article, and a great find!

Now I'm praying that there's truth to this rumor, especially with the Justin Schultz comparison and the ugly memories of a certain "great one" putting the kibosh on that deal.
I don't get the Schultz comparison though. If Rutkowski really is physical, a captain and leader, and will drop the gloves they don't really sound similar in playstyle. For some reason I thought of a Phaneuf-lite when they described him -- maybe a bit more willing to drop the gloves.

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I don't get the Schultz comparison though. If Rutkowski really is physical, a captain and leader, and will drop the gloves they don't really sound similar in playstyle. For some reason I thought of a Phaneuf-lite when they described him -- maybe a bit more willing to drop the gloves.
To me it read more like a comparison of signing circumstances... how Schultz was coming out of college and the Avs let Rutkowski's rights expire.

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