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03-13-2013, 06:07 PM
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Much better skater and more offensive upside.
More offensive upside than Handzus ? Cmon the guy was a 50 point C for most of his career. For the skating part it might be true now, but I recall Handzus being an ok skater for his size when he was younger.

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Ryan Kennedy of The Hockey News thinks the Habs should draft a goalie in the 1st round. http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-for-Habs.html

I wouldn't be against it. I think it's time the Habs drafted a good quality goalie. Goaltending depth was always pretty good even when we were sucking. We drafted Theodore in the 2nd rd when we still had Roy. Then 2 years later we drafted Garon in the 2nd round. We drafted Price at a time when Theodore was considered one of the best goalies in the NHL and was expected to be a life time Hab. We also freaking drafted Halak for gawd's sake.

But the goalie mill has run dry since Price was drafted in 2005 - 8 years ago. Habs NEED to take a legit goalie prospect this year, if not the 1st round then the 2nd.

I'm not used to the Habs having no goalie depth. It had been an organizational strength for such a long time at one time.

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Ryan Kennedy of The Hockey News thinks the Habs should draft a goalie in the 1st round. http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-for-Habs.html

I wouldn't be against it. I think it's time the Habs drafted a good quality goalie. Goaltending depth was always pretty good even when we were sucking. We drafted Theodore in the 2nd rd when we still had Roy. Then 2 years later we drafted Garon in the 2nd round. We drafted Price at a time when Theodore was considered one of the best goalies in the NHL and was expected to be a life time Hab. We also freaking drafted Halak for gawd's sake.

But the goalie mill has run dry since Price was drafted in 2005 - 8 years ago. Habs NEED to take a legit goalie prospect this year, if not the 1st round then the 2nd.

I'm not used to the Habs having no goalie depth. It had been an organizational strength for such a long time at one time.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96701

Big trade by MB imo.

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03-13-2013, 11:59 PM
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Just a start, we need a 18 years/old as well. I have been rooting to take a goaltender for 3 years now.

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Just a start, we need a 18 years/old as well. I have been rooting to take a goaltender for 3 years now.
Me too, I wanted Dansk last year, but sadly he didnt fall to us with our second second.

But picking one in the first round is a no-go for me. We just have to fill the cup with 1-2 this year and next year in the latter rounds and we would be good.

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Couturier is in different category offensively. If not two categories above offensively. Couturier 1.67 PPG compared to Gauthier's 0.97 PPG as 18 year olds. Defensively both are NHL ready at 18. Couturier has big edge with +/-, Gauthier has the edge faceoffs. Gauthier may win Guy Carbonneau Trophy this year, Couturier did not. Both played on good clubs. With Couturier struggling to score this year I fear Gauthier doesn't have offense to stay in NHL. If he does you'll looking at big, bottom line center, defensive specialist.
Gauthier is playing as a 17, Couturier was playing as a 18 in his draft year. But there's no doubt Couturier is more of a threat than Gauthier is in their draft year.

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I think part of that is Gauthier is making the jump up this year from MAAA. Couturier his draft year was his 3rd year in the QMJHL. He was an early bloomer, playing MAAA at 14. Gauthier is a bit more of a late bloomer. Pacioretty was a late bloomer and he worked out fine. I think Couturier's offense sort of plateaued at 17.
I agree, we're not talking about the same maturity in comparing Gauthier and Couturier. But as far as their potential goes, it's an interesting comparison, although I'll give Couturier the edge.

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03-14-2013, 09:09 AM
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He's playing well for Hamilton, but it's not nearly enough. But, at least MB sees that goalie depth is an organizational need.

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Just a start, we need a 18 years/old as well. I have been rooting to take a goaltender for 3 years now.
Agreed, so have I.

I wouldn't mind if the Habs take a goaltender with our 1st this year, but it depends on where we pick. If we're in the top 20 I wouldn't do it, but anything after 25 I would for sure. At the least, I hope we use one of our 2nd rounders on a goalie.

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Pretty much what I'm worried about in his case. The more I read about him, the more I think about Michal Handzus, which ain't bad, but not what I would with a 1st round pick, considering our needs.
I would take Gauthier if we draft say 28th. He's still a big, 3rd line, faceoff artist, defensive type center. Great in playoffs stutting down #1 centers like a Malkin or Eric Staal. But if we go out in first round and draft around 18th, I'd be looking for more offense.

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I agree...goalies take awhile to mature...he could be better than we think.

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What would be the best plan for MTL: (if we keep the same draft picks)

1 - big foward
2- goalie
2- foward
2- D
3- foward
3- foward

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What would be the best plan for MTL: (if we keep the same draft picks)

1 - big foward
2- goalie
2- foward
2- D
3- foward
3- foward
We need one of the big Q guys IMO. The big D like Diaby and Morin. I'd love to see us draft a Lazar type with our first but if BPA is a small player like Petan, I'd be all over it. Even drafting a dman would be cool... Guys could fall.
I really don't want a goalie anywhere near our first three picks but if Fucale slides down to the second round we need to pick him up early.

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03-14-2013, 10:26 AM
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What would be the best plan for MTL: (if we keep the same draft picks)

1 - big foward
2- goalie
2- foward
2- D
3- foward
3- foward
Not sure I'd pick a goalie with any of our 2nd rounders to be honest

Tokarski is doing pretty well since the trade

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I would take Gauthier if we draft say 28th. He's still a big, 3rd line, faceoff artist, defensive type center. Great in playoffs stutting down #1 centers like a Malkin or Eric Staal. But if we go out in first round and draft around 18th, I'd be looking for more offense.
Gauthier isn't just a 3rd line shutdown center. He'll be gone by 28th IMHO.

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What would be the best plan for MTL: (if we keep the same draft picks)

1 - big foward
2- goalie
2- foward
2- D
3- foward
3- foward
I would go for best player available in round 1...or best forward available unless a d-man or goalie is miles ahead. If you can get a 1st line calibre player I could care less what size he is.

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Of course, I'd always choose the BPA at our turn to pick.

But I would like at least one of the big Q: Mantha, Gauthier, Morin or Diaby. Two of them would be awsome.

Goaler: later round or FA

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Not sure I'd pick a goalie with any of our 2nd rounders to be honest

Tokarski is doing pretty well since the trade
While I agree that Tokarski is doing well, I don't think the Habs should be picking a goalie in the first 2 rounds irrespectively of his performance or acquisition.

In a draft as deep as this one, I'm convinced that Timmins can find some 1st round type talent in the first 2 rounds at either the forward or D position.

Also, Ryan Kennedy's argument comparing us to the Devils is somewhat flawed because Price is still so young. That being said, I agree that the Habs desperately need to improve their goaltending prospect depth.

We're already deep in solid D-men prospects, so here's how I'd hope to see the Habs drafting (within the realm of reasonable balance between positional needs and best player available):

1st round: F
2nd rd: F
2nd rd: D
2nd rd: F
3rd rd: G
3rd rd: F

Goalies are much harder to project at age 18. In my opinion, you're much more likely to find elite goaltending in the 3rd round (or later) than you are to find elite offensive or defensive talent in the 3rd round.

Lundqvist was drafted in the 7th round. Rinne was drafted in the 8th round. Quick was drafted in the 3rd round. Craig Anderson was drafted in the 3rd round. Twice. Tim Thomas was drafted in the 9th round. Since goalies' development can happen much later, you can even find solid undrafted goalies playing in Europe, e.g.: Fasth.

A goalie drafted in the 1st round is indeed more likely to play in the NHL than a goalie drafted later. However, I would only draft a goalie in the 1st 2 rounds if there are no players remaining that project as top 9 forwards or top 4 D-men, and I don't think that will be the case in 2013.

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What would be the best plan for MTL: (if we keep the same draft picks)

1 - big foward
2- goalie
2- foward
2- D
3- foward
3- foward
1. F--- Horvat/Bailey/Lazar
2. F--- Petan/Dickinson
2. D --- Theodore/Bowey/Diaby
2. F --- Carriere/Hurley
3. G --- Comrie
3. D --- Geertsen/Morin

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I really want Lazar or Morrissey and I would not be against a trade up to grab one of them.

As far as
2nd round picks goes I wouldn't mind one of the top guys from the Q.

There is also one European guy that I would really want since he is a real pitbull on ice and his name is Marko Dano. That is about it for me.

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Ryan Kennedy of The Hockey News thinks the Habs should draft a goalie in the 1st round. http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-for-Habs.html

I wouldn't be against it. I think it's time the Habs drafted a good quality goalie. Goaltending depth was always pretty good even when we were sucking. We drafted Theodore in the 2nd rd when we still had Roy. Then 2 years later we drafted Garon in the 2nd round. We drafted Price at a time when Theodore was considered one of the best goalies in the NHL and was expected to be a life time Hab. We also freaking drafted Halak for gawd's sake.

But the goalie mill has run dry since Price was drafted in 2005 - 8 years ago. Habs NEED to take a legit goalie prospect this year, if not the 1st round then the 2nd.

I'm not used to the Habs having no goalie depth. It had been an organizational strength for such a long time at one time.
Tristan Jarry will still be available in the 2nd round and could be the best goalie in this draft.

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I really want Lazar or Morrissey and I would not be against a trade up to grab one of them.

As far as
2nd round picks goes I wouldn't mind one of the top guys from the Q.

There is also one European guy that I would really want since he is a real pitbull on ice and his name is Marko Dano. That is about it for me.
I'd trade up for Morrisey, Pulock or Wennberg but I wouldn't trade up for Lazar.

I doubt I'd take him with our 1st round pick but I'd take him definitely take him in the 2nd round. It's a deep draft.

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While I agree that Tokarski is doing well, I don't think the Habs should be picking a goalie in the first 2 rounds irrespectively of his performance or acquisition.

In a draft as deep as this one, I'm convinced that Timmins can find some 1st round type talent in the first 2 rounds at either the forward or D position.

Also, Ryan Kennedy's argument comparing us to the Devils is somewhat flawed because Price is still so young. That being said, I agree that the Habs desperately need to improve their goaltending prospect depth.

We're already deep in solid D-men prospects, so here's how I'd hope to see the Habs drafting (within the realm of reasonable balance between positional needs and best player available):

1st round: F
2nd rd: F
2nd rd: D
2nd rd: F
3rd rd: G
3rd rd: F


Goalies are much harder to project at age 18. In my opinion, you're much more likely to find elite goaltending in the 3rd round (or later) than you are to find elite offensive or defensive talent in the 3rd round.

Lundqvist was drafted in the 7th round. Rinne was drafted in the 8th round. Quick was drafted in the 3rd round. Craig Anderson was drafted in the 3rd round. Twice. Tim Thomas was drafted in the 9th round. Since goalies' development can happen much later, you can even find solid undrafted goalies playing in Europe, e.g.: Fasth.

A goalie drafted in the 1st round is indeed more likely to play in the NHL than a goalie drafted later. However, I would only draft a goalie in the 1st 2 rounds if there are no players remaining that project as top 9 forwards or top 4 D-men, and I don't think that will be the case in 2013.
Agreed, you don't take a goalie early when you are in a forward deep draft and your biggest need is forward. There are lots of good young goalies who are already being developedin the NHL, we could make a trade for one and it wouldn't be that hard.

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Still hoping for Quality over quantity and a move up using a 1st+2nd or 1st+2nd+3rd to get into the top 15.

Beyond that its hard to peg player positions by draft choice. Have to go BPA. I want to go top 15 and grab a guy like Erne, Wennberg, or Domi but if Nurse is there he'd be a great pick.

I'm assuming Timmins will look for a goalie in the top 3 rounds this year based on his comments last year though.


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Considering Fucale is probably the highest ranked goalie at this point and he is only considered a late first by a team needing a goalie and quite often he's not even drafted in the 1st in many people's eyes that we might be able to move up from Calgary's pick to get him.

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I'd trade up for Morrisey, Pulock or Wennberg but I wouldn't trade up for Lazar.

I doubt I'd take him with our 1st round pick but I'd take him definitely take him in the 2nd round. It's a deep draft.
He won't fall out of the 1st round. If he's there when the Habs draft, they better take him and run.

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