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03-13-2013, 04:21 PM
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Although it is a video, the below is very telling in how Svedberg was against the top Russians of his time:

He is number 4 and several times you can see him making effortless rushes as well as creating numerous offensive chances. 2:20-2:30 is my personal favourite.

His skills translates perfectly into a PP defenceman who can skate the puck up and join the rush and set up the PP in the other teams end.
Nice video, mark. It is interesting to see Svedberg in there forechecking like a forward at times in that video. He seems to have had a very "unconventional" style of play by western standards, which I guess makes sense as he wasn't converted to defense until the beginning of his national team career in 1965, I believe.

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I just tried investigating Svedberg's domestic league stats at eurohockey.net and this site, but I'm not satisfied that the numbers we have are good. The stats at Eurohockey suggest he should show up on the leaderboards at the other site, which he does not outside of the 1967-68 season. So I dunno.

Comparing Svedberg's scoring in the world championships to Suchy's is rather enlightening, though. They were contemporaries, both breaking onto their respective national teams for the 1965 world championships. Suchy played a good deal more games for his national team (Svedberg was evidently dropped from the team after 1965, and first appeared again in the 1968 olympics), but we can at least roughly compare their scoring by looking at how they did when playing in the same tournaments.

PlayerGoalsAssistsPointsGames PlayedPoints per Game
Jan Suchy212546650.71
Lennart Svedberg6814440.32

Now, I don't know if this is fair to Svedberg or not, but it's the closest thing I can get to a barometer on his offensive skills. I'm not sure how complimentary this ends up being; it is less than I had expected. Now, Suchy is a strong top pairing QB in my opinion, but less than half of his production is...less good.
I'm not trying to sell Svedbergs offensive abilities to someone like suchy (who was drafted over 200 spots before him) but the fact that he was a top defenseman for those 3 years with Suchy is a nice accomplishment, and his skills translate into what I will be using him for (PP defesneman and bottom pairing offensive defenseman with Hajt)

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Nice video, mark. It is interesting to see Svedberg in there forechecking like a forward at times in that video. He seems to have had a very "unconventional" style of play by western standards, which I guess makes sense as he wasn't converted to defense until the beginning of his national team career in 1965, I believe.
I found that very funny as well. To me it shows how fast he actually was that he was able to (and allowed) to forecheck opposing defenseman and then had the speed to get back and not get caught up ice.

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03-13-2013, 06:20 PM
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Gentlemen, the starting lineup of your 2013 Baltimore Blades:

Cy Denneny-Bobby Clarke-Rod Gilbert
Dean Prentice-Adam Oates-Peter Bondra
Ryan Smyth-Brent Sutter-Dirk Graham
J.P. Parise-Jonathan Toews-Milan Hejduk

Tim Horton-Jan Suchy
Red Horner-Craig Hartsburg
Phil Russell-Steve Smith

PP1: Cy Denneny, Adam Oates, Rod Gilbert, Peter Bondra, Jan Suchy
PP 2: Ryan Smyth, Bobby Clarke, Milan Hejduk, Tim Horton, Craig Hartsburg

PK 1: Dean Prentice-Bobby Clarke-Tim Horton-Jan Suchy
PK 2: Dirk Graham-Brent Sutter-Red Horner-Phil Russell

Any thoughts, comments or suggestions on this?

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Gentlemen, the starting lineup of your 2013 Baltimore Blades:

Cy Denneny-Bobby Clarke-Rod Gilbert
Dean Prentice-Adam Oates-Peter Bondra
Ryan Smyth-Brent Sutter-Dirk Graham
J.P. Parise-Jonathan Toews-Milan Hejduk

Tim Horton-Jan Suchy
Red Horner-Craig Hartsburg
Phil Russell-Steve Smith

PP1: Cy Denneny, Adam Oates, Rod Gilbert, Peter Bondra, Jan Suchy
PP 2: Ryan Smyth, Bobby Clarke, Milan Hejduk, Tim Horton, Craig Hartsburg

PK 1: Dean Prentice-Bobby Clarke-Tim Horton-Jan Suchy
PK 2: Dirk Graham-Brent Sutter-Red Horner-Phil Russell

Any thoughts, comments or suggestions on this?
How do you expect to win without a goalie?

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How do you expect to win without a goalie?
I left that part out as I don't have my backup drafted yet. Either that or we will enlist the fans in attendamce to be goalie.

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03-13-2013, 07:32 PM
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As far as Gerard on a second team PP, I haven't seen anything that says he was ever an effective offensive player while playing defense. He was a defensive defenseman, through and through. I'd almost think he might be more usable as a second unit PP forward than a PP defenseman. That was actually one of the bigger weaknesses of my team last year (lack of point men on the second unit PP), among other atrocities on that squad.

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03-13-2013, 07:44 PM
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I still haven't quite constructed the look of my powerplay, and I'd like your thoughts on "the rest" of my lineup...

Joe Sakic, Anatoly Firsov, Mike Modano, Ace Bailey, Jack Adams, Pierre Pilote, Si Griffis and Steve Duchesne all have spots on my powerplay, and they'd have spots on your powerplay too! That's 8 guys, and it leaves 2 spots up for grabs. Let's introduce the hopefuls:

Eduard Ivanov
Why: Was apparently a solid puck mover. Has some nice things said about his passing. Is the only defenseman left who makes sense to man the 4th point spot.
Why not: There are plenty of forwards to look at yet!

Doug Weight
Why: Long career full of good offensive finishes, easily the best playmaker of the bunch.
Why not: Will adding a small guy to the powerplay put too much physical burden on Modano and Adams?

Corey Perry
Why: Rocket winner. Practically a net specialist at this level. 6'3". Crashes the net with brains as well as brawn. Will be mean to the goalie.
Why not: Lack of experience, although he has pretty much as many good seasons as Todd Bertuzzi at this point.

Al Secord
Why: 56 goal scorer. The epitome of net-muscle. Great in the corners too.
Why not: May have somwhat inflated totals. Is also my team's goon.

Trevor Linden
Why: Got about a 3rd of his points on the PP. 6'4".
Why not: Career high of 80 points doesn't say "weapon".

Johnny Peirson
Why: Decent number of top 10 finishes in goals and points.
Why not: Not sure what about his overall solid game makes him fill any one specific PP role. If anyone can help me with this...

Dick Duff
Why: Clutch, and doesn't take your ****.
Why not: That's about it.

Joel Otto
Why: Will win faceoffs, and often. Is big enough to screen the goalie from the blueline.
Why not: Career high of 59 points in the 80s suggests that wasn't his job ever.

Sylvio Mantha, Joe Hall
Why: Why indeed.
Why not: Because I just won't.

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I still haven't quite constructed the look of my powerplay, and I'd like your thoughts on "the rest" of my lineup...

Joe Sakic, Anatoly Firsov, Mike Modano, Ace Bailey, Jack Adams, Pierre Pilote, Si Griffis and Steve Duchesne all have spots on my powerplay, and they'd have spots on your powerplay too! That's 8 guys, and it leaves 2 spots up for grabs. Let's introduce the hopefuls:

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Sylvio Mantha, Joe Hall
Why: Why indeed.
Why not: Because I just won't.
What makes Griffis a lock and Mantha and Hall definite "no"s?

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As far as Gerard on a second team PP, I haven't seen anything that says he was ever an effective offensive player while playing defense. He was a defensive defenseman, through and through. I'd almost think he might be more usable as a second unit PP forward than a PP defenseman. That was actually one of the bigger weaknesses of my team last year (lack of point men on the second unit PP), among other atrocities on that squad.
A quick 2 second search in google news archives show how one of the features of the game was Eddie Gerards offensive rushes (while playing defense):

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ffensive&hl=en

"Gerard skating the length of the ice shooting wickedly on Lehman"

Also Jim Coleman and King Clancy have Gerard as one of the top 10 players of alltime (written in 1979):

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ffensive&hl=en


Again Gerard named on an all time team:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ffensive&hl=en

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1920-21 was one of his best seasons. Not only did he score 11 goals in 24 games, but Ottawa continued to be the best defensive team in the NHL, and Gerard's great passing and stickhandling abilities left little room for rough play.
http://ottawahockeylegends.blogspot....ie-gerard.html

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What makes Griffis a lock and Mantha and Hall definite "no"s?
The fact that you ask makes me question the impression I have of these players.

Looking back over my notes, Griffis is a talented rusher who will help gain the zone and handle the puck well. That will help, although maybe he shouldn't be above Ivanov on my PP depth chart.

I can't tell you anything about Hall or Mantha's offensive game that suggests they're not complete stay at homes. Do you have anything?

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The fact that you ask makes me question the impression I have of these players.

Looking back over my notes, Griffis is a talented rusher who will help gain the zone and handle the puck well. That will help, although maybe he shouldn't be above Ivanov on my PP depth chart.
I'd look at Griffis' offensive results before sticking him on the PP. I haven't researched him very much, but I don't think his offensive accomplishments are overly impressive.

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Neither are great PP guys, but neither is Griffas IMO.

Mantha, over the course of his career, was one of the better point producers on the blueline. Obviously, Shore and Clancy were way ahead of everyone, but Mantha and Hap Day were the next two.

Joe Hall was, I'm pretty sure, a top-5 point producer among defenseman 6 times. He's was also a good scoring forward before moving back to defense.

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I still haven't quite constructed the look of my powerplay, and I'd like your thoughts on "the rest" of my lineup...

Joe Sakic, Anatoly Firsov, Mike Modano, Ace Bailey, Jack Adams, Pierre Pilote, Si Griffis and Steve Duchesne all have spots on my powerplay, and they'd have spots on your powerplay too! That's 8 guys, and it leaves 2 spots up for grabs. Let's introduce the hopefuls:
It's kind of hard to draw something up without seeing where you planned on having the rest of the units, but here's what I would do:

Firsov-Sakic-Bailey
Pilote-Mantha

Adams-Modano-Peirson
Weight-Duchesne

For some reason, I thought I remembered Weight could play the point on a power play, but I could just be thinking that up. If not, replace him with Joe Hall. I had the same impression of Griffis that you had, but now that I look at his numbers they aren't as good as I thought they were. Your big problem is that you lack a real sniper on the wing. Firsov is your best winger, but I always saw him as a better passer than shooter. Adams is also the only guy I really see as a credible net presence that makes sense. I could buy Linden or Duff in that role, but Linden's offense on an ATD power play would be pretty bad, and Duff is a LW, with Firsov and Adams being better LW options.

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I need to be sold on Grant. I just don't know much about him, especially for a player drafted where he is. Svedberg and Gerard are both allright as 2nd unit pointmen, I think. I think the real problem is who to put next to Rousseau on the top unit. I'd almost be tempted to put Denis Savard on that left point.

edit: Devil is right that Svedberg may be better than we think, but I'd need to see the data first.
Did Savard play the point at times on the PP? I wish I was old enough to have watched him play. I can find a bunch of PPV articles on google news but can't get into them without paying.

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Gentlemen, the starting lineup of your 2013 Baltimore Blades:

Cy Denneny-Bobby Clarke-Rod Gilbert
Dean Prentice-Adam Oates-Peter Bondra
Ryan Smyth-Brent Sutter-Dirk Graham
J.P. Parise-Jonathan Toews-Milan Hejduk

Tim Horton-Jan Suchy
Red Horner-Craig Hartsburg
Phil Russell-Steve Smith

PP1: Cy Denneny, Adam Oates, Rod Gilbert, Peter Bondra, Jan Suchy
PP 2: Ryan Smyth, Bobby Clarke, Milan Hejduk, Tim Horton, Craig Hartsburg

PK 1: Dean Prentice-Bobby Clarke-Tim Horton-Jan Suchy
PK 2: Dirk Graham-Brent Sutter-Red Horner-Phil Russell

Any thoughts, comments or suggestions on this?
Horner and Russell are rightys, Smith and Hartsburg are leftys so I'd flip them.

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I can't tell you anything about Hall or Mantha's offensive game that suggests they're not complete stay at homes. Do you have anything?
If anything, I question Hall's defensive game. He's physical and most I've read has him as a solid offensive d-man. He's not bad defensively, but a shutdown guy? No.

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I can't tell you anything about Hall or Mantha's offensive game that suggests they're not complete stay at homes. Do you have anything?
From my research on Eddie Shore, here in an article which calls Sylvio Mantha "one of the best puck-carrying defensemen in the league".

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...a+hockey&hl=en

Going by his scoring, as well, Mantha was definitey a two-way player, and not simply a stay-at-home guy.

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From my research on Eddie Shore, here in an article which calls Sylvio Mantha "one of the best puck-carrying defensemen in the league".

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...a+hockey&hl=en

Going by his scoring, as well, Mantha was definitey a two-way player, and not simply a stay-at-home guy.
Yeah, the scoring of guys in that era was pretty tiered. There was Eddie Shore, a big gap to King Clancy, another big gap to Lionel Conacher, another big gap to Sylvio Mantha, then another big gap to the pack, which seemed a bunch of stay-at-home defensemen.

During the recent defenseman project, I became convinced that Lionel Conacher's offense was close to Rob Blake's, so that would make Mantha a pretty big step down offensively from Blake - basically, Mantha is definitely capable of being on a second PP, but I wouldn't want him on a first unit.

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Yeah, the scoring of guys in that era was pretty tiered. There was Eddie Shore, a big gap to King Clancy, another big gap to Lionel Conacher, another big gap to Sylvio Mantha, then another big gap to the pack, which seemed a bunch of stay-at-home defensemen.

During the recent defenseman project, I became convinced that Lionel Conacher's offense was close to Rob Blake's, so that would make Mantha a pretty big step down offensively from Blake - basically, Mantha is definitely capable of being on a second PP, but I wouldn't want him on a first unit.
Didn't Lionel Conacher spent time at left wing in some of his best offensive seasons?

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Yeah, the scoring of guys in that era was pretty tiered. There was Eddie Shore, a big gap to King Clancy, another big gap to Lionel Conacher, another big gap to Sylvio Mantha, then another big gap to the pack, which seemed a bunch of stay-at-home defensemen.

During the recent defenseman project, I became convinced that Lionel Conacher's offense was close to Rob Blake's, so that would make Mantha a pretty big step down offensively from Blake - basically, Mantha is definitely capable of being on a second PP, but I wouldn't want him on a first unit.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it. Mantha does not belong on an ATD 1st unit powerplay, but I think he's capable of manning a point on a 2nd unit. I don't consider him high-end even in this role, but he definitely did have offensive ability, and was not a pure stay-at-home guy, by any means. Cecil Hart seems to have built his system somewhat around having at least one puckmoving defenseman. If I recall correctly, when he returned to Montreal, pretty much Hart's first act as general manager was to trade for Babe Siebert, who he used in this role (Mantha already being finished).

edit: it was Babe Siebert, not Reg Noble. Of course not...Noble retired even before Mantha did.


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I still haven't quite constructed the look of my powerplay, and I'd like your thoughts on "the rest" of my lineup...

Joe Sakic, Anatoly Firsov, Mike Modano, Ace Bailey, Jack Adams, Pierre Pilote, Si Griffis and Steve Duchesne all have spots on my powerplay, and they'd have spots on your powerplay too! That's 8 guys, and it leaves 2 spots up for grabs. Let's introduce the hopefuls:

Eduard Ivanov
Why: Was apparently a solid puck mover. Has some nice things said about his passing. Is the only defenseman left who makes sense to man the 4th point spot.
Why not: There are plenty of forwards to look at yet!

Doug Weight
Why: Long career full of good offensive finishes, easily the best playmaker of the bunch.
Why not: Will adding a small guy to the powerplay put too much physical burden on Modano and Adams?

Corey Perry
Why: Rocket winner. Practically a net specialist at this level. 6'3". Crashes the net with brains as well as brawn. Will be mean to the goalie.
Why not: Lack of experience, although he has pretty much as many good seasons as Todd Bertuzzi at this point.

Al Secord
Why: 56 goal scorer. The epitome of net-muscle. Great in the corners too.
Why not: May have somwhat inflated totals. Is also my team's goon.

Trevor Linden
Why: Got about a 3rd of his points on the PP. 6'4".
Why not: Career high of 80 points doesn't say "weapon".

Johnny Peirson
Why: Decent number of top 10 finishes in goals and points.
Why not: Not sure what about his overall solid game makes him fill any one specific PP role. If anyone can help me with this...

Dick Duff
Why: Clutch, and doesn't take your ****.
Why not: That's about it.

Joel Otto
Why: Will win faceoffs, and often. Is big enough to screen the goalie from the blueline.
Why not: Career high of 59 points in the 80s suggests that wasn't his job ever.

Sylvio Mantha, Joe Hall
Why: Why indeed.
Why not: Because I just won't.
What makes Ace Bailey a better PP option than Corey Perry? He wasn't a scoring forward for that long - the last three seasons of his career he was a defensive forward.

I'm not sure Griffis should be a slam dunk either. Weight is definitely a better playmaking option for the point. Could Griffis shoot? You could use a shooter back there.

Otto probably isn't a PP guy unless you need him to stand in front of Al MacInnis's shot. He actually did a fair bit of that in Calgary - if not for that he probably doesn't crack 40 points.

Linden is one of your better options listed IMO.

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Did Savard play the point at times on the PP? I wish I was old enough to have watched him play. I can find a bunch of PPV articles on google news but can't get into them without paying.
I'm pretty sure he did under Keenan, yes. Keenan had this wierd habit of being extremely strict about his even-strength systems, and extremely loose about how his powerplays were run. It's kind of smart when you think about it, but he basically believed that with the man advantage, you are best off giving your five most talented players the puck and just telling them to go score. His powerplays were really open and free-flowing (I know, not what you think of when the name Mike Keenan comes up) at least early in his career, and his best players tended to switch and move around quite a lot just over the course of a single shift.

Researching Chicago players is best done directly at the Chicago Tribune website, which has a large database of free, searchable articles, none of which show up in a Google news search. Good luck.

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What makes Ace Bailey a better PP option than Corey Perry? He wasn't a scoring forward for that long - the last three seasons of his career he was a defensive forward.

I'm not sure Griffis should be a slam dunk either. Weight is definitely a better playmaking option for the point. Could Griffis shoot? You could use a shooter back there.

Otto probably isn't a PP guy unless you need him to stand in front of Al MacInnis's shot. He actually did a fair bit of that in Calgary - if not for that he probably doesn't crack 40 points.

Linden is one of your better options listed IMO.
Yeah, Doug Weight should definitely be on one of those points. I agree with you about Bailey and Griffis. I think they're both somewhat marginal. Griffis, I can see on a 2nd unit, but definitely not on a 1st. Bailey's offensive peak was so short, I'd try to keep him away from the powerplay, entirely.

I do like that Dick Duff doesn't take my ****, though. That's a very valuable intangible.

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My PK forwards will be as follows...

Unit 1
Craig Conroy -

Unit 2
Ryan Kesler -


The remaining two forwards will be Bob Nevin (2nd line ES) and Gilles Tremblay (3rd line ES). Who should be on the first unit?
I was hoping someone else would answer this, since I'm not really an expert on these players, but I'd lean towards Nevin over Tremblay for the first unit.

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Gentlemen, the starting lineup of your 2013 Baltimore Blades:

Cy Denneny-Bobby Clarke-Rod Gilbert
Dean Prentice-Adam Oates-Peter Bondra
Ryan Smyth-Brent Sutter-Dirk Graham
J.P. Parise-Jonathan Toews-Milan Hejduk

Tim Horton-Jan Suchy
Red Horner-Craig Hartsburg
Phil Russell-Steve Smith

PP1: Cy Denneny, Adam Oates, Rod Gilbert, Peter Bondra, Jan Suchy
PP 2: Ryan Smyth, Bobby Clarke, Milan Hejduk, Tim Horton, Craig Hartsburg

PK 1: Dean Prentice-Bobby Clarke-Tim Horton-Jan Suchy
PK 2: Dirk Graham-Brent Sutter-Red Horner-Phil Russell

Any thoughts, comments or suggestions on this?
Graham over Prentice on the first PK for sure.

Also agree with whoever said to try to get your right-handed defensemen on the right side at even strength.

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It's kind of hard to draw something up without seeing where you planned on having the rest of the units, but here's what I would do:

Firsov-Sakic-Bailey
Pilote-Mantha

Adams-Modano-Peirson
Weight-Duchesne

For some reason, I thought I remembered Weight could play the point on a power play, but I could just be thinking that up. If not, replace him with Joe Hall. I had the same impression of Griffis that you had, but now that I look at his numbers they aren't as good as I thought they were. Your big problem is that you lack a real sniper on the wing. Firsov is your best winger, but I always saw him as a better passer than shooter. Adams is also the only guy I really see as a credible net presence that makes sense. I could buy Linden or Duff in that role, but Linden's offense on an ATD power play would be pretty bad, and Duff is a LW, with Firsov and Adams being better LW options.
Now that we've talked about Mantha more, either Weight or Duchesne over Mantha on the first unit. Duchesne was crappy in his own zone - might as well get value from him on the PP.

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Didn't Lionel Conacher spent time at left wing in some of his best offensive seasons?
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What makes Ace Bailey a better PP option than Corey Perry? He wasn't a scoring forward for that long - the last three seasons of his career he was a defensive forward.

I'm not sure Griffis should be a slam dunk either. Weight is definitely a better playmaking option for the point. Could Griffis shoot? You could use a shooter back there.

Otto probably isn't a PP guy unless you need him to stand in front of Al MacInnis's shot. He actually did a fair bit of that in Calgary - if not for that he probably doesn't crack 40 points.

Linden is one of your better options listed IMO.
Otto's even strength scoring is pretty pathetic, isn't it?

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I'm pretty sure he did under Keenan, yes. Keenan had this wierd habit of being extremely strict about his even-strength systems, and extremely loose about how his powerplays were run. It's kind of smart when you think about it, but he basically believed that with the man advantage, you are best off giving your five most talented players the puck and just telling them to go score. His powerplays were really open and free-flowing (I know, not what you think of when the name Mike Keenan comes up) at least early in his career, and his best players tended to switch and move around quite a lot just over the course of a single shift.

Researching Chicago players is best done directly at the Chicago Tribune website, which has a large database of free, searchable articles, none of which show up in a Google news search. Good luck.
I have never heard of Denis Savard playing point on the powerplay and I've had him before in this. And I did look for it - though not all that hard.

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I'm pretty sure he did under Keenan, yes. Keenan had this wierd habit of being extremely strict about his even-strength systems, and extremely loose about how his powerplays were run. It's kind of smart when you think about it, but he basically believed that with the man advantage, you are best off giving your five most talented players the puck and just telling them to go score. His powerplays were really open and free-flowing (I know, not what you think of when the name Mike Keenan comes up) at least early in his career, and his best players tended to switch and move around quite a lot just over the course of a single shift.

Researching Chicago players is best done directly at the Chicago Tribune website, which has a large database of free, searchable articles, none of which show up in a Google news search. Good luck.
Keenan had PP issues in St Louis - he gave a lot of PP ice time to
his favourite grinders and somehow ran an average PP with Al MacInnis and Brett Hull.

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Nice video, mark. It is interesting to see Svedberg in there forechecking like a forward at times in that video. He seems to have had a very "unconventional" style of play by western standards, which I guess makes sense as he wasn't converted to defense until the beginning of his national team career in 1965, I believe.
From what Ive been told he was used like that by his coach as he was the best guy to forecheck the russians because of his speed and positioning. He broke up more passes than anyone. One should also notice how fast he is to get back into a defensive roll and block shots etc.

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