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03-14-2013, 09:29 AM
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I thought he would get a 2 year deal and then a long term deal ala Price/Pac/Pleks. It's going to cost a lot, my guess would be 8 years 50M +

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03-14-2013, 09:32 AM
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Yes of course he improved but this was VERY predictable to some of us, and not so predictable to others (like you apparently). It`s called natural development and maturity from 22 to 23 years old.

Well I am happy that you are finally convinced.

Just a FYI: players usually improve from 22 to 23 and that leap is more pronounced when those players have high end potential... This is regardless of the coach.

Therrien gets credit, but really not that much.
huh, no, not really, lest not forget that being in March right now means P.K. has only 20 more games experience (end of last season to now) - without the Habs training camp - and needing a few games to get to the new system put in place by MT. and maturity doesnt kick in overnight.

I know it's hard to admit for those who were saying (dont remember if you're part of that group) he was already so awesome last season... but P.K. is improving not only at a faster pace than most but an incredible one right now.

Too many things changed/improved over 20 games to be considered "natural developpement".

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03-14-2013, 09:33 AM
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I say Brayden Schenn, Sean Couturier and this year's 1st round pick. But we lose cuz Subban is more important to us than that package from Philly.
There is only one player on their roster worth Subban and that's Giroux.

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03-14-2013, 09:34 AM
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He'll agree to 6.5 million a year if we're lucky.

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03-14-2013, 09:35 AM
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Paraphrased from @ladyhabs timeline (a TSN690 producer):

Dreger on TSN690 apparently said that in Therrien's first meeting with PK after the holdout, he viewed him as an elite defenseman, an immediate leader in the room, and potentially a team captain down the road.

Might explain some of the changes in PK's behaviour, like his not doing nearly as many interviews.
His interviews these days are hilarious...they've dumbed him down, no more eloquent speech, just regurgitated 'hockey talk'

I guess people think this somehow is responsible for the improvements in his game

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03-14-2013, 09:38 AM
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He'll agree to 6.5 million a year if we're lucky.
Not saying he couldn't get more, but that's the same amount of money as the reigning Norris winner is currently getting (pre-CBA contract).

That being said, he has all the leverage next summer, or whenever he signs an extension. He took the low ball salary, he took the bridge contract, he has been our #1 D for arguably 3 years, including this season, at a ridiculous salary.

So yeah, I won't be surprised if he asks more.

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03-14-2013, 09:39 AM
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Doughty vs Subban. Who do you pick now?
hard to say since in MTL you dont get to see many L.A. games, but food for thoughts

Doughty : Olympic gold medal, Stanley cup ring.


(both are 23 - PK is older by a few months)

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I hope we don't get into the "ridiculous contract" zone.

I.E.

LeCavalier
Ovechkin
ect.

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If the Habs keep their apparent 6 year term limit going, we're looking at probably 7 M per.

IF they are willing to go to 8 years, taking Subban to age 33, we might be able to get it done at around 6.5 M per. Might.

If MB can somehow keep it close to 6 M per, then

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03-14-2013, 09:41 AM
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I hope they dont make the same mistake with Gally...
Saving on two years < paying big money for 8 years

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If the Habs keep their apparent 6 year term limit going, we're looking at probably 7 M per.

IF they are willing to go to 8 years, taking Subban to age 33, we might be able to get it done at around 6.5 M per. Might.

If MB can somehow keep it close to 6 M per, then
considering the difference is only 2 years now (6 yrs vs limit 8) I could see MB signing him for the max years.

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I hope they dont make the same mistake with Gally...
Saving on two years < paying big money for 8 years
Not sure what you mean by making a mistake with Gally.

You mean Galchenyuk, right?

I dunno, he's NHL worthy, had nothing left to learn in the OHL and has contributed positively to the team (last night he had a shootout goal).

I wouldn't say it's a mistake. It's great to keep your players in the OHL as long as you can to avoid burning a year of the ELC, but when they are ready, they are ready.

In this particular case, Galchenyuk was ready.

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Not sure what you mean by making a mistake with Gally.

You mean Galchenyuk, right?

I dunno, he's NHL worthy, had nothing left to learn in the OHL and has contributed positively to the team (last night he had a shootout goal).

I wouldn't say it's a mistake. It's great to keep your players in the OHL as long as you can to avoid burning a year of the ELC, but when they are ready, they are ready.

In this particular case, Galchenyuk was ready.
He's arguing the Habs should give Galchenyuk a very long-term deal as soon as his ELC ends in 2015.

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03-14-2013, 09:48 AM
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If he plays this good, I don't care what he gets money wise. I'm a fan of the bridge contract. He had a lot of things to learn and MT and his staff have done a fantastic job reeling him in. He's become a much more complete defenseman in the last 20 games than he would have in the next 5 years under our last set of coaches.

PK deserves a ton of credit but this coaching staff deserves just as much.

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He has been playing great. Definitely top 5 D in the League this season

I say MB should sign him to a 6 year at 5 million a year.

What you guys say?
He can't be signed until July 1st.

Hopefully it's one of MB's projects this summer.

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03-14-2013, 09:51 AM
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He's arguing the Habs should give Galchenyuk a very long-term deal as soon as his ELC ends in 2015.
Ah yes, the bridge contract. My apologies CaptainIginla, I misunderstood.

Well, obviously it depends on how Galchenyuk plays next year, but since I am against the bridge contracts, I tend to agree.

Other than Pacioretty (who took a hometown discount IMO), has the bridge contract ever ended up saving us money long term?

Price, Plekanec, Gorges...it ends up costing us top dollar more often than not. That being said, top dollar for a top quality player isn't the worst hockey decision around.

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Not saying he couldn't get more, but that's the same amount of money as the reigning Norris winner is currently getting (pre-CBA contract).

That being said, he has all the leverage next summer, or whenever he signs an extension. He took the low ball salary, he took the bridge contract, he has been our #1 D for arguably 3 years, including this season, at a ridiculous salary.

So yeah, I won't be surprised if he asks more.
Karrlson got the contract after his rookie and was 4 years away from UFA. PK is on his 2nd contract and 2 years away from UFA (once contract expires). The more UFA years you want from a player the more expensive it will get.

I think Letang is up for contract extension this summer as well, PK and Letang will probably get contract very similar to each other and really he should the comparable at this point.

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When is the last time a Habs player was a Norris finalist or Norris winner?

Has it happened in my lifetime? I'm born in November 1983.
Chelios. 1988-89.

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03-14-2013, 09:57 AM
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Wait till summer. See how the season shakes out. If his play is as good as it has been so far. I would also like to see Subban extended in advance this summer.

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Karrlson got the contract after his rookie and was 4 years away from UFA. PK is on his 2nd contract and 2 years away from UFA (once contract expires). The more UFA years you want from a player the more expensive it will get.

I think Letang is up for contract extension this summer as well, PK and Letang will probably get contract very similar to each other and really he should the comparable at this point.
Karlsson also won a Norris trophy, and put up a ridiculous season at that age, something Subban is yet to match.

However with Letang and PK, your same theory applies. Letang is 2 years away from UFA, and Subban is 4 years away, (1 yr and 3 yrs next summer), so by that logic shouldn't Subban get much more?

Not saying he will, but just for the sake of conversation.

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Give em what karlsson got. 7 years at 6.5 mil

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Paraphrased from @ladyhabs timeline (a TSN690 producer):

Dreger on TSN690 apparently said that in Therrien's first meeting with PK after the holdout, he viewed him as an elite defenseman, an immediate leader in the room, and potentially a team captain down the road.

Might explain some of the changes in PK's behaviour, like his not doing nearly as many interviews.
Link: http://www2.tsn.ca/window/podcastcen...tid=16355&id=1

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He's currently better than Doughty so it's going to cost 6.5 + at the very minimum. Wouldn't surprise me to see him land a 7y/49m contract

But i'm all for it. Even some of my buddies who are ex Nords fans and who never say anything positive about the Habs due to their extreme bias and disdain for the team admit that PK is a rare breed. They absolutely don't want the Habs to re-sign him so that gotta mean something

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Karlsson also won a Norris trophy, and put up a ridiculous season at that age, something Subban is yet to match.

However with Letang and PK, your same theory applies. Letang is 2 years away from UFA, and Subban is 4 years away, (1 yr and 3 yrs next summer), so by that logic shouldn't Subban get much more?

Not saying he will, but just for the sake of conversation.
When Subban's deal ends in 2014, he'll be 2 years away from UFA and Letang will be UFA that summer if the Pens don't sign him to an extension. Letang should be a higher cap hit as a result.

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Wait till summer. See how the season shakes out. If his play is as good as it has been so far. I would also like to see Subban extended in advance this summer.
No choice. Can only sign him to an extension after July 1st

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