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03-14-2013, 09:12 AM
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How to draft Seth Jones?

These are the bottom 5 teams in the NHL when it comes to points earned per game:
Columbus: .925 PPG (25 points in 27 games)
Flyers: .89 PPG (25 points in 27 games)
Tampa Bay: .88 PPG (25 points in 27 games)
Buffalo: .85 PPG (25 points in 27 games)
Washington: .84 PPG (25 points in 27 games)
Florida: .70 PPG (25 points in 27 games)

So basically, if the trend continues, the Flyers are on pace to finish with the 4th worst record in the NHL.

Let's just assume the Flyers end up with the 4th pick in the draft this year, what would it take to move up to #1 to be able to draft Seth Jones? I think he's exactly what this team needs to turn the franchise around for the future. Would our first and second (34th overall) be enough to move from 4th to 1st? Would it take our first and Laughton? What do you think it would take to move from the 4th pick up to first, and do you even think it would be worth it?

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03-14-2013, 09:20 AM
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Start Leighton
Jones falls into our laps!

I think our second could possibly help us move up, depending on what other teams needs are. Florida fans think Mac or Drouin would be good for their team instead of Jones because they have Kulikov and Gudbranson. If he falls to #2 we need to move as fast as we can to get that pick. Usually moving up in the draft involves trading picks only, so I don't think I would be willing to give Laughton up.

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03-14-2013, 09:39 AM
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Are we convinced Holmgren will actually draft Jones anyway?

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03-14-2013, 10:01 AM
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1- Trade Fedotenko for a 3rd or 4th rounder to a contender and play Knuble or Shelley
2- Trade Briere for any pick (2nd?)
3- Play Gervais and Foster as much as possible
4- Play Leighton more, but bring Bryz in for any shootouts
5- Do not fire Lavy until end of season
6- If not 1rst overall, trade 1rst and acquired picks for 1rst if possible

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Seth Jones may fall to between 2nd and 4th overall, depending on actual needs/assessment of the teams drafting early.

Maybe it could be sufficient to throw in a third round pick and/or a half decent prospect (e.g. Noebels) to move up a couple of spots in the draft to acquire him???

The draft is pretty deep so I would not burn our first and second to get Jones but rather pick the next best defenseman (Nurse, Ristolainen,Zhadorov...) in round 1 and double up in the second round.


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03-14-2013, 10:17 AM
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Jones is definitely going #1, even if it isn't the direct teams need, he holds more value then anyone. I'm a huge fan of Mac and Drouin, I think Drouin will put up Kane like numbers if not better, but Jones is a Pronger esq like franchise dman that comes around like once a decade. From what I have heard last year, the #1 pick was going to cost a team 2 1sts, and that includes a top10 pick. That was only for Yakupov.

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1- Trade Fedotenko for a 3rd or 4th rounder to a contender and play Knuble or Shelley
2- Trade Briere for any pick (2nd?)
3- Play Gervais and Foster as much as possible
4- Play Leighton more, but bring Bryz in for any shootouts
5- Do not fire Lavy until end of season
6- If not 1rst overall, trade 1rst and acquired picks for 1rst if possible
7. Play Knuble as much as possible
8. Call up Lilja and play him
9. Play Superstar when he is not injured anymore
10. Profit???

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Jones is definitely going #1, even if it isn't the direct teams need, he holds more value then anyone. I'm a huge fan of Mac and Drouin, I think Drouin will put up Kane like numbers if not better, but Jones is a Pronger esq like franchise dman that comes around like once a decade. From what I have heard last year, the #1 pick was going to cost a team 2 1sts, and that includes a top10 pick. That was only for Yakupov.
Honestly I wouldn't mind moving our 1st next year for Seth Jones. If it takes our #1 and next years for a player who would solve so many problems, I do it I think. Especially if Homer(or whoever is there) think they can pull a 2007 and turn this team around quickly.

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03-14-2013, 10:26 AM
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With our luck, and the new lottery system we could finish dead last, and be the first team out of the lottery and end up picking 14. As for getting Jones, it would really depend on the teams in from of us, are they looking for defense. 1st and 2nd should get us from 4th to 1st.

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1- Trade Fedotenko for a 3rd or 4th rounder to a contender and play Knuble or Shelley
2- Trade Briere for any pick (2nd?)
3- Play Gervais and Foster as much as possible
4- Play Leighton more, but bring Bryz in for any shootouts
5- Do not fire Lavy until end of season
6- If not 1rst overall, trade 1rst and acquired picks for 1rst if possible
BRAVO !!!!

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http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=417390
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No club will move down more than one position as a result of the lottery. The remaining first-round drafting positions are determined by the Stanley Cup playoffs.

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1- Trade Fedotenko for a 3rd or 4th rounder to a contender and play Knuble or Shelley
2- Trade Briere for any pick (2nd?)
3- Play Gervais and Foster as much as possible
4- Play Leighton more, but bring Bryz in for any shootouts
5- Do not fire Lavy until end of season
6- If not 1rst overall, trade 1rst and acquired picks for 1rst if possible
Eh, they're both roughly the same goalie. It's just every once in a while Bryz will hit a hot streak.

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Are we convinced Holmgren will actually draft Jones anyway?
Of course we aren't. But at this point we have to look forward to something.

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Of course we aren't. But at this point we have to look forward to something.
And that something probably turn into another center...

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Eh, they're both roughly the same goalie. It's just every once in a while Bryz will hit a hot streak.
Not in shootouts though.

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And that something probably turn into another center...
It very well might be with Mackinnon and Barkov there, and for those two I would be fine with it. The top 4 of this draft all have superstar potential. Seth Jones looks like a stud but he will struggle for a few years like all defensemen. He won't cure the Flyers problems next year or for a couple years, so I wouldnt want to trade any big assets to move up if the Flyers are picking top 4 and can get one of Drouin, Mackinnon, Jones, or Barkov for free.

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Keep going with status quo.

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Florida - Gudbranson, Kulikov, Petrovic
Washington - Alzner, Carlson, Green (?), Orlov
Buffalo - Myers
Tampa Bay - Hedman

The good thing is, that all teams (right now) picking before us don't have a pressing need for someone like Jones, like we do. I could see all of those teams willing to trade down and take a forward.

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It very well might be with Mackinnon and Barkov there, and for those two I would be fine with it. The top 4 of this draft all have superstar potential. Seth Jones looks like a stud but he will struggle for a few years like all defensemen. He won't cure the Flyers problems next year or for a couple years, so I wouldnt want to trade any big assets to move up if the Flyers are picking top 4 and can get one of Drouin, Mackinnon, Jones, or Barkov for free.
I don't know... Dougie Hamilton is fitting in pretty well for the Bruins. Granted, they have a more defense-friendly system, but still. The Flyers are sufficiently well stocked at forward that it would make sense for them to try to stock up on young D and G in any case.

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Florida - Gudbranson, Kulikov, Petrovic
Washington - Alzner, Carlson, Green (?), Orlov
Buffalo - Myers
Tampa Bay - Hedman

The good thing is, that all teams (right now) picking before us don't have a pressing need for someone like Jones, like we do. I could see all of those teams willing to trade down and take a forward.
I could see Tampa taking him. They're the only team that has pretty good forwards on their roster already out of those teams.

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Florida - Gudbranson, Kulikov, Petrovic
Washington - Alzner, Carlson, Green (?), Orlov
Buffalo - Myers
Tampa Bay - Hedman

The good thing is, that all teams (right now) picking before us don't have a pressing need for someone like Jones, like we do. I could see all of those teams willing to trade down and take a forward.
All of those teams could use Jones. Just using Tampa as an example, their defense isn't exactly great. Not to mention, they did a poll on their board for this very thing, and the majority of the posters who voted would take Jones before MacKinnon or Drouin.

If the Flyers end up with a top 4 pick (which I'm not sure they will), I'd want them to draft BPA, regardless if it ends up being a forward. I'd love to add any of Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin or Barkov to the Flyers.


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Anybody intending on going to the draft? It's in NJ...we should do an HFBoards Flyers road trip....

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A sure fire way of getting the #1 is definitely just standing pat....don't see it though. Starting Leighton might actually backfire...with our luck he would be Leights out and we would move up in the standings but not enough to make the playoffs.We would then have a weaker draft position and wind up with some Pat Falloon like player..

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I personally rather hold on to the pick then throwing a ton of **** to get the 1st overall. A guy like Barkov at 4th is a great prize. The kids got everything from offensive threat to being able to play a good two way game. Only problem is his skating which isnt a problem since he is one of the youngest players in the draft. I remember reading on the prospect board with people saying he is NHL ready. IF we do draft Barkov, thats where you can MAYBE get a away with trading someone like Couturier for a defender.

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Realistically, I'm not sure if Jones will go #1 overall. There's incredible pressure on guys drafted #1 overall to make an immediate positive impact on the team and other than Drew Doughty, I can't think of a single defenseman who has really done that in recent years. The #1 overall represents a chance for some downtrodden franchises to get a flashy star player to help them sell tickets. Not sure if Jones is going to be that flashy type from the get-go.

Then you look at need and you have to wonder, if Washington or Florida lands the #1 overall, would they really take Jones?

Florida has a terrible group of forwards IMO. Huberdeau is the only true 1st line player on that team, whereas Florida already has three 1st pairing / potential 1st pairing defensemen (Campbell, Gudbranson, Kulikov).

Washington has also struggled to score and they have Mike Green, John Carlson, and Karl Alzner on their back-end. Getting a MacKinnon or a Drouin might reignite the fan base and it also could potentially reignite the play of OV.

Buffalo and Tampa Bay I could 100% see taking him.

At the end of the day though, I'll be happy if we end up with any of Jones, Drouin, MacKinnon.

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