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03-14-2013, 03:32 AM
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Ladislav Smid Signs 4-Year Extension ($3.5M AAV) | Confirmed @ post #365

Nicely done Tambo!

MOD EDIT:

SMID RE-SIGNED!

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Funny crowd here.

Most people (correctly) lambaste management for signing Horcoff to a stupid contract too early, but want Smid re-signed in a hurry?

He'll get re-signed and he's not going to have a monster offensive season that will drive up his salary - I'm ok with management waiting.

On the other hand, they do need to close a deal with him before the deadline.

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Funny crowd here.

Most people (correctly) lambaste management for signing Horcoff to a stupid contract too early, but want Smid re-signed in a hurry?

He'll get re-signed and he's not going to have a monster offensive season that will drive up his salary - I'm ok with management waiting.

On the other hand, they do need to close a deal with him before the deadline.
So when do you propose management wait until, considering the deadline is in 3 weeks.

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On Smid I still wonder if he would take slightly less money for more term. So instead of 2-4 years at $3.5-4.5M you do 5-6 years at $3-3.5M.

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People may be against trading Smid, but are you for paying 4-5mil a year over 5 years?

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On Smid I still wonder if he would take slightly less money for more term. So instead of 2-4 years at $3.5-4.5M you do 5-6 years at $3-3.5M.
I rather pay him more for less. 5-6 years for physical defensive d-men who've had injury problems is a mistake in the making.

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People may be against trading Smid, but are you for paying 4-5mil a year over 5 years?
What's wrong with 4x4? I think that's fair

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People may be against trading Smid, but are you for paying 4-5mil a year over 5 years?
Considering his age, minutes he eats up, hits, blocks and his off ice\locker room personality... 4mil is very fair for him..
If we end up trading him for good asset(s), I would even throw 5M at him as a UFA.

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I'd definitely want to stay below 4. Just no offense there to pay more then that. Stay in the 3.5 - 3.8 range and we'll be fine.

Just get him signed. We can't afford to lose any of our legit Top-4 defensemen.

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What's wrong with 4x4? I think that's fair
He could end up a 5-6 guy in year 3 or 4.

It's really hard to justify paying him more than $3.5 with term.

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I'd definitely want to stay below 4. Just no offense there to pay more then that. Stay in the 3.5 - 3.8 range and we'll be fine.

Just get him signed. We can't afford to lose any of our legit Top-4 defensemen.
what if he knows that he can get 5 mill this summer? Smid is probably the best ufa dman this summer and someone might have cash burning a hole in his pocket.

there are a few scenarios and this is how I would rank them (best to worst)

1) sign him long term to a sub 4 mill contract
2) trade him for a minimum 1st round pick or equal value and sign him in summer for 4-5 mill
3) sign him for 4-5 mill long term
4) lose him this summer as ufa

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He could end up a 5-6 guy in year 3 or 4.

It's really hard to justify paying him more than $3.5 with term.
so kinda like Whitney and N.Schultz??
Keep Smid for 4 yrs and he'll still be a positive influence on the Klefboms\Marincins that are coming up even if he plays 3rd pairing minutes. The guy is still 27 so still has a few good yrs left in him.

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so kinda like Whitney and N.Schultz??
Keep Smid for 4 yrs and he'll still be a positive influence on the Klefboms\Marincins that are coming up even if he plays 3rd pairing minutes. The guy is still 27 so still has a few good yrs left in him.
Have to watch that he doesn't pull a Volchenkov.

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I'd do 5 years, $3.5m for Smid.

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I like smid but if I have issue with paying a #4 D with little offensive presence more than 4 mill a year. I love Smid but I have major issue anything above 4.

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Have you seen the Zajac and Getzlaf contracts?

Not to mention any number of d-men signings the last couple of years.

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The Volchenkov deal is what scares me, he was a similar player to Smid is now when he got that deal... I really hope Smid takes a pay cut to stay with Edmonton because of his so called "love" for the city.

I highly doubt it though..

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so kinda like Whitney and N.Schultz??
Keep Smid for 4 yrs and he'll still be a positive influence on the Klefboms\Marincins that are coming up even if he plays 3rd pairing minutes. The guy is still 27 so still has a few good yrs left in him.
Eventually this will be a cap team. Overpaying for depth players won't work.

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I like smid but if I have issue with paying a #4 D with little offensive presence more than 4 mill a year. I love Smid but I have major issue anything above 4.

I'd pay Smid around 4 if thats what it took. I wouldn't let him walk if it was down to 4.2 or something. In a few years that would look like a hell of a bargain. And we don't want to repeat he Smyth mistake of sending a heart and soul guy away for what amounts to a few hundred Gs. We lack experienced D-men, and we're not going to be gifted any by another team. Laddi bridges the gap for the young guys. When the right time comes, there will still be a lineup of teams interested in getting him.

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I find it hard to believe they'll get Smid under 4. This is why I think he could be traded. He knows he can get 5+ despite not being worth it, and I don't the Oilers are going to want to pay that for a Dman who provides absolutely no offense.

Everybody just assumes he'll take a discount or be easy to sign because he seems to like it here, but he's not going to leave 10+ million on the table no matter how much he likes it here.

If he won't take a reasonable contract, they'll have to trade him. The Oilers just can't lose guys like that for nothing at this point in the rebuild.

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I wouldn't pay any more than 3.5 for Smid. If the guy had an iota of offensive instincts then I would give him more

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I wouldn't pay any more than 3.5 for Smid. If the guy had an iota of offensive instincts then I would give him more
That simply won't get it done.

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After a quite a bit of thought I would do long term at 3-3.5 and short term(2-4) at 4.25 max. Either deal would be front loaded(as much as you can in new cba) so a buy out would be easier if neccessary.

With the contract structure of the team yakupov gets his big contract in 2 years, rnh in 1 year, and hopefully we can get Schultz signed to a kulikov/del zotto/subban type contract and we should be ok especially if the cap raises.

Preference would be 3 years 10-12 million but I'm sure he could get more than that.

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I wouldn't pay any more than 3.5 for Smid. If the guy had an iota of offensive instincts then I would give him more
I hate the fact that some people give less value to a defenseman if he doesn't score lots of points.
Let Smid be judged on his role is on the team and how well he plays it, not because he isn't Karlsson. I also think the role he has been forced to play should factor in also. He's kind of been the #1 by default and been trying to grow into it the best he could and with some crappy partners to cover for.

too many Oiler players have been put in situation that they shouldn't be, or were not ready for. I think you have to make some allowences for the misuse of a player by the coach.

fair for you to say you feel Smid is only worth 3.5. not fair to say it's because he doesn't score.

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I hate the fact that some people give less value to a defenseman if he doesn't score lots of points.
Let Smid be judged on his role is on the team and how well he plays it, not because he isn't Karlsson. I also think the role he has been forced to play should factor in also. He's kind of been the #1 by default and been trying to grow into it the best he could and with some crappy partners to cover for.

too many Oiler players have been put in situation that they shouldn't be, or were not ready for. I think you have to make some allowences for the misuse of a player by the coach.

fair for you to say you feel Smid is only worth 3.5. not fair to say it's because he doesn't score.
You have to take into account the role he plays vs what role he should be tho. Just because he may be oilers #1 dman, doesn't mean he should be paid as such. If on any other team he is a number 4 dman then you have to pay him #4 kind of money. I see him as a 3 on an a average team and a four on a good team hence the 3.5 million thrown out there.

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