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View Poll Results: What type of player should we draft?
Powerforward [Centre/Winger] 10 5.92%
Two-Way Forward 1 0.59%
Playmaking Centre 8 4.73%
Goalscoring Winger 64 37.87%
Defensive-Defenseman 16 9.47%
Offensive-Defenseman 10 5.92%
Two-Way Defenseman 47 27.81%
Goaler 0 0%
Trade our 1st for an upgrade 4 2.37%
Other [Smallish Character Centres] 9 5.33%
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03-11-2013, 02:40 PM
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That package would probably only net a 'project' top 4 defensemen that really isn't ready. You won't get a Yandle or OEL caliber of player, you will get a Myers sort of player (at very best). A guy who has potential, but fell back to earth and needs a change to maximize his potential.
I'd take Myers. Think he's just had a bummer go of it in Buffalo. Avs FO would like that contract too (more cap than actual $.)

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I was able to watch Gauthier.

+ Great hockey IQ (especially defensively)
+ Good reach with stick
+ Anticipates the play very well
+ Protects the puck good (could be improved)
+ Even though he seems like perimeter player he goes to the dirty areas including in front of the net.

- Extremely raw (like very, very raw)
- He skates just like Wolski (below average in straight line, but surprisingly decent in agility)
- He hits just like Wolski (His hits are harder than Wolski, but around the same softness)
- Saw little offensive creativity.

Like I said this was only one game so it's hard to judge his offensive game because I don't think he ever shot the puck, but I wouldn't (personally) draft in the top 14. He did though, on one or two penalties play the FULL 2 minutes on the PK.

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03-14-2013, 10:07 PM
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Q scoring has gone up after Christmas and I believe the league is now at 6.98 goals per game.

But this is still lower than the OHL's 7.46 during Kane's draft eligible season
(2006/2007).

Normalizing all the data to 8 goals per game, and projecting each player's points per game over 80 games, here are the top 40 draft-eligible major junior seasons by forwards since 1981.


1 Crosby 05 Q 266
2 Mario 84 Q 257
3 Kane 07 O 204
4 Drouin 13 Q 201
5 Briere 96 Q 197

6 Lafontaine 83 Q 187
7 Brendl 99 W 186
8 Spezza 01 O 185
9 Lindros 91 O 183
10 Gagner 07 O 183

11 Daigle 93 Q 183
12 Bouchard, PM 02 Q 182
13 Lecavalier 98 Q 177
14 Hall 10 O 167
15 Tavares 09 O 167

16 Hawerchuk 81 Q 163
17 Savard, M 91 O 163
18 Brassard Q 06 163
19 Turgeon, P 87 Q 161
20 Thornton 87 O 161

21 Little 06 O 154
22 MacKinnon 13 Q 154
23 Stamkos 08 O 154
24 Langkow 95 W 153
25 Ribeiro 98 Q 152

26 Tanguay 98 Q 151
27 Gratton 93 O 150
28 Couturier 11 Q 150
29 Huberdeau 11 Q 150
30 Damphousse 85 Q 149

31 Staal, E 03 O 148
32 Richards, B 98 Q 145
33 Seguin 10 O 145
34 Falloon 91 W 145
35 Bellows 82 O 145

36 Primeau 90 O 144
37 Ryan 05 O 143
38 Marleau 97 W 143
39 Turgeon, S 83 O 142
40 Nugent-Hopkins 11 W 142



A few observations:
1) Drouin is having some kind of year.

2) the list is dominated by Q players. Even controlling for league scoring levels by normalizing to 8 goals per game, Q fwds take 5 of top 6 spots (and 18 of top 40. O with 17 in top 40 and W with only 5).

3) If guys score at that clip as 17/18 year olds in major junior, they almost definitely will be able to score at NHL level (only complete bust on the list in Brendl) and should not be passed over in draft. Six on that list slipped past the top 10 of the draft - Biere 24th, Savard 91st, Little 12th, Ribeiro 45th, Tanguay 12th, and Richards 64th. Jury still out on Little, but the other 5 are (or were) top 6 forwards with some seasons at all-star level.


If you do the same things with goals (arguably a better predictor of NHL success than points), here are the top 40:

1 Mario 121
2 Crosby 107
3 Stamkos 92
4 Tavares 91
5 Lindros 87

6 Brendl 87
7 Kane 83
8 Tanguay 83
9 Lafontaine 80
10 Drouin 80

11 Briere 80
12 Skinner 75
13 P. Turgeon 75
14 Langkow 72
15 Hawerchuk 72

16 Gratton 72
17 Lupul 71
18 Convery 71
19 Bellows 70
20 Legwand 70

21 Spezza 69
22 E. Kane 69
23 Hall 68
24 Lecavalier 67
25 Seguin 66

26 Nolan 66
27 Falloon 66
28 Primeau 66
29 Warriner 65
30 Huberdeau 65

31 Niedermeyer 64
32 Brassard 64
33 Bernier 64
34 Ricci 63
35 E. Staal 63

36 MacKinnon 63
37 Gelinas 63
38 Carson 63
39 D. Roy 62
40 Brule 62
Pretty impressive

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So currently we are in 8th.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

Based on these standings who would you guys pick?? I would personally choose Monahan if he fell out of the top 6/7.
Nurse. he could be another Dougie Hamilton if he works out right.

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Nurse. he could be another Dougie Hamilton if he works out right.
You're entitled to you opinion, but Nurse doesn't have an offensive game.

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03-15-2013, 01:40 AM
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Too bad there are some serious sucky teams in the east.. even if we finish last in the west we will most likely still finish like 25-26th in the NHL.

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Nurse. he could be another Dougie Hamilton if he works out right.
Two completly different kind of players.

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Nurse is more likely to become a Foote type of player.

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Sidenote, looking in the first round, a good number of Swedes drafted in the NHL have turned out to be legit allstars, or have a pretty good chance of becoming one.

2007
Mikael Backlund

2008
Karlsson
Gustafsson
Mattias Tedenby

2009
Victor Hedman
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
David Rundblad
Jacob Josefson
Tim Erixon
Marcus Johansson


2010
None

2011
Gabriel Landeskog
Adam Larsson
Jonas Brodin
Oscar Klefbom
Rickard Rakell


Already shown tons of promise in the NHL are the bolded (Karlsson, Landeskog, OEL, Hedman, Larsson, Brodin), and players with the potential to be high impact players like Rakell, Klefbom, and Erixon.

Then theres a bunch of passable 2nd tier players, Backlund, Tedenby, MPS, Josefson, Johansson who are still young and have room to grow.

The only bust was Gustafsson, and really the only other one so far the only other possible one is Rundblad (He still has a lot of time though).

I just found that pretty interesting. If you count the 2012 draft, Lindholm and Forsberg both moved up in the post-draft rankings.

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Swedes are always awesome. Jens Karlsson, Lars Jonsson and Michael Holmqvist are three big busts that went in the first round that I can think of.

Anton Gustafsson lived of his fathers reputation it seemed.

A few more interesting swedes in the upcoming draft than Lindholm. Hägg and Wennberg I rate very high. De la Rose and Burakowsky not so much.

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One day, looking back on this thread we will all laugh.

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Nurse is more likely to become a Foote type of player.
And that would make him a very enticing pick, in my opinion, around the 6-10 spot.

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I was able to watch Gauthier.

+ Great hockey IQ (especially defensively)
+ Good reach with stick
+ Anticipates the play very well
+ Protects the puck good (could be improved)
+ Even though he seems like perimeter player he goes to the dirty areas including in front of the net.

- Extremely raw (like very, very raw)
- He skates just like Wolski (below average in straight line, but surprisingly decent in agility)
- He hits just like Wolski (His hits are harder than Wolski, but around the same softness)
- Saw little offensive creativity.

Like I said this was only one game so it's hard to judge his offensive game because I don't think he ever shot the puck, but I wouldn't (personally) draft in the top 14. He did though, on one or two penalties play the FULL 2 minutes on the PK.
The two biggest problems with Gauthier in my mind is the lack of high end offensive skill and creativity and that he is more of a perimeter player when with his frame he should be battling a lot more. Now it is really hard to say if he is just being extra safe/responsible on the defensive end or if that is just the way he plays. If he is just being safe, he will grow out of that and become a more effective player offensively. If it is just him, I don't see it ever really changing. That will honestly be the difference between him being a #2C and a #3C. At worst he is a 30 point #3C with great PK skills.

With his performances of late, it actually wouldn't surprise me to see him start to slip in the draft (from mid 1st to ~22-25). If he has a bad playoffs he might fall to the bottom of the 1st or high 2nd.

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And that would make him a very enticing pick, in my opinion, around the 6-10 spot.
That would push me away from drafting him. Isn't that what Siemens is supposed to be?

If they draft a defensive defenseman in the top 10 I'd be pissed.


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That would push me away from drafting him. Isn't that what Siemens is supposed to be?
Yep. We probably need one more in the system though. Excluding Donnelly who I don't think gets signed to an ELC, the only defensive prospect we have that has real nasty edge is Siemens. Gaunce and Beaupre have a mean streak, but it isn't as severe. I agree in the top 10 we probably shouldn't draft that sort of player. They can be picked up in the second.

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And that would make him a very enticing pick, in my opinion, around the 6-10 spot.
I do not understand why some many you guys want to draft another defensive-defenseman in the top 10?! Makes no sense to me.

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With his performances of late, it actually wouldn't surprise me to see him start to slip in the draft (from mid 1st to ~22-25). If he has a bad playoffs he might fall to the bottom of the 1st or high 2nd.
Totally agree with everything you said and I think he will end up around 20th, if he does fall to our pick in the second round, that would be one hell of a selection.

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That would push me away from drafting him. Isn't that what Siemens is supposed to be?

If they draft a defensive defenseman in the top 10 I'd be pissed.
You can't have too many defensive defensemen on your team, but I agree we should look for a more well rounded player if we get to pick in the top 10.

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You can't have too many defensive defensemen on your team, but I agree we should look for a more well rounded player if we get to pick in the top 10.
I think we already do

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You can't have too many defensive defensemen on your team, 0.
I beg to differ.

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You can't have too many defensive defensemen on your team, but I agree we should look for a more well rounded player if we get to pick in the top 10.
Agree, but there are ton of defensive prospects that will be available later on in the draft.

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That would push me away from drafting him. Isn't that what Siemens is supposed to be?

If they draft a defensive defenseman in the top 10 I'd be pissed.
Having two defensive defensemen with their potential would be a great asset to the team in my opinion.

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Nurse is more likely to become a Foote type of player.
i definitely don't see that. he has too much offensive potential to be a 15-30 pt D man.
plus Foote was more of a lumbering slow footed guy, which is why he had so many issues with the new NHL style.
Siemens is much closer to Foote than Nurse will ever be IMO.

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You're entitled to you opinion, but Nurse doesn't have an offensive game.
why do people keep saying that? he scores goals, he's athletic as hell and his game while not flashy is pretty solid and has been steadily improving.
being semi raw isn't the same thing as having no game.

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i definitely don't see that. he has too much offensive potential to be a 15-30 pt D man.
plus Foote was more of a lumbering slow footed guy, which is why he had so many issues with the new NHL style.
Siemens is much closer to Foote than Nurse will ever be IMO.


why do people keep saying that? he scores goals, he's athletic as hell and his game while not flashy is pretty solid and has been steadily improving.
being semi raw isn't the same thing as having no game.
Siemens is one of the better skaters I have seen for being ~6'3" He will never be mistaken for slow.

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Siemens is one of the better skaters I have seen for being ~6'3" He will never be mistaken for slow.
Duncan is one of the better skaters regardless of size.

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why do people keep saying that? he scores goals, he's athletic as hell and his game while not flashy is pretty solid and has been steadily improving.
being semi raw isn't the same thing as having no game.
He is does have some offensive game, but he will be known for his defensive game dirt and foremost. And I prefer Zadorov if we are going to draft a guy based on his defense. Though I might've been too hard on him and a selection around 9 to 15 would be a solid choice, though there are a bunch of players I personally prefer more.

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