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Greg Sherman & Co - Record as Colorado Avalanche GM (Part II)

Greg Sherman promoted to General Manager on June 03, 2009


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Originally Posted by DPO
"Greg Sherman deserves the opportunity to prove he can be an effective general manager in our business," Lacroix said. "He has shown that he possesses the necessary qualities required to be successful with this new challenge in front of him."

Lacroix added, "Surrounded by a strong hockey staff and under my supervision, he will have all the necessary support to lead the Avalanche in this new direction."
http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_12514986
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=647799




2009 NHL Entry Draft



Trades
  • None


Picks
  • 1st Round (3rd Overall) - Matt Duchene - C - 5'11" 190 lbs, Brampton (OHL)
  • 2nd Round (33rd Overall) - Ryan O'Reilly - C - 6'0" 200 lbs, Erie (OHL)
  • 2nd Round (49th Overall) - Stefan Elliott - D - 6'1" 180 lbs, Saskatoon (WHL)
  • 3rd Round (64th Overall) - Tyson Barrie - D - 5'10" 190 lbs, Kelowna (WHL)
  • 5th Round (124th Overall) - Kieran Millan - G - 6'0" 190 lbs, Boston University (NCAA)
  • 6th Round (154th Overall) - Brandon Maxwell - G - 6'0" 195 lbs, U.S. National U18 Team
  • 7th Round (184th Overall) - Gus Young - D - 6'2" 190 lbs, Noble and Greenough High School
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=631363
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=655364

  • The Montreal Canadiens' second-round pick (49th Overall) went to the Colorado Avalanche as the result of a trade on March 4, 2009 that sent Jordan Leopold to the Calgary Flames in exchange for Lawrence Nycholat, Ryan Wilson and this pick.
  • The Colorado Avalanche's 4th Round pick (94th Overall) went to the Columbus Blue Jackets as the result of a trade on February 26, 2008 that sent Adam Foote to Colorado for a conditional first-round pick in 2008 or 2009 and this pick (Conditional upon Adam Foote re-signing with the Avs). Columbus used this pick to select D David Savard (QMJHL)


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2009 Offseason


Appointments
  • June 03, 2009 - Fires coaches Tony Granato, Jacques Cloutier, and Dave Barr. Also fires goaltender coach Jeff Hackett, and replaces Director of Hockey Operations Michel Goulet with Eric Lacroix.
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=647785

  • June 4th, 2009 - Names Joe Sacco Head coach of the Colorado Avalanche, who had previously been Head Coach of the Avs AHL affiliate, Lake Erie Monsters. Sylvain Lefebvre also brought in as Assistant Coach.
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=648053

  • June 19th, 2009 - Names Steve Konowalchuk Assistant Coach and Adam Deadmarsh Video/Development coach of the Colorado Avalanche.
  • June 22nd, 2009 - Names David Quinn Head Coach of the Lake Erie Monsters of the AHL.
  • June 24th, 2009 - Names Dan Laperriere Assistant Coach of the Lake Erie Monsters of the AHL.


RFA, Upcoming UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • June 20th - Re-signs Cody McLeod (available for arbitration) to a three year contract - $1,033,333 cap hit.
  • June 30th - Re-signs Peter Budaj to a one year, $1.25 M contract.
  • July 6th - Re-signs David Jones to a two year contract - $837,500 cap hit.
  • July 6th - Re signs Brian Willsie to a one year $600k contract.
  • July 6th - Re-signs Chris Durno, Matt Hendricks, and Tyler Weiman to one year $500k contracts.
  • July 8th - Re-signs Philippe Dupuis to a one year $574,750 contract.
  • July 10th - Re-signs Kyle Cumiskey to a two year $1.2 M contract - $600k cap hit and one way in year two.
  • July 10th - Signs prospect Justin Mercier to a two year $1.125 M deal - $562,500 cap hit.
  • July 16th - Signs first round pick Matt Duchene to a three year $9.6 M deal after bonuses - $3.2 M cap hit - $2.3 M each year in bonuses.
  • July 22nd - Signs prospect Brandon Yip to a one year $575k contract.
  • September 21st - Signs second round pick Ryan O'Reilly to a three year $2.7 M deal - $900k cap hit.


UFA Signings
  • July 1st - Signs Goaltender Craig Anderson to a two year, $3.625 M contract - $1,812,500 cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs LW David Koci to a one year $575k contract.
  • July 6th - Signs RW Darren Haydar to a one year $525k contracts.
  • July 8th - Signs D Brett Skinner to a one year $500k contract.


UFA Departures
  • July 1st - Ian Laperriere signs a three year, $3.5 M contract with the Philadelphia Flyers - $1,166,667 cap hit.
  • July 2nd - Tyler Arnason signs a two way, one year $700k contract with the New York Rangers.
  • July 6th - Andrew Raycroft signs a one year $500k contract with the Vancouver Canucks.
  • July 14th - Ben Guite signs a one year $550k contract with the Nashville Predators.
  • August 1st - Cody McCormick signs a one year $550k contract with the Buffalo Sabres, after his rights were not qualified.


Trades
  • July 3rd - Trades LW Ryan Smyth to the Los Angeles Kings for Defensemen Tom Preissing, Kyle Quincey, and a 5th Round pick in 2010 (Luke Walker).
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=659640

  • July 16th - Trades prospect Nigel Williams to the New York Rangers for former Avs 4th round pick in 2000, Brian Fahey.



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2009-10 Season
  • November 25th - Waives T.J. Hensick, who clears and is sent to Lake Erie.
  • March 2nd - Signs goaltender John Grahame to a minor league deal.
  • March 3rd - Trades Wojtek Wolski to Phoenix for forwards Peter Mueller and former Hobey Baker award winner Kevin Porter.
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=745593
  • March 3rd - Trades undrafted prospect Cedric-Lalonde McNicholl and a 6th round pick (Tyler Stahl) to Carolina for Stephane Yelle, and prospect Harrison Reed (93rd overall)
  • March 19th - Signs prospect Mike Carman to a two year entry level deal, with a $597,500 cap hit
  • March 23rd - Signs un-drafted BU forward Zach Cohen to a two way, two year deal with a $562,500 cap hit.
  • March 30th - Signs forward prospect Mark Olver to a two way, two year deal with a $597,500 cap hit..
  • April 3rd - Signs BU prospect Kevin Shattenkirk to a two way, three year entry level deal, with a $1.3 M cap hit after bonuses.
  • April 3rd - Signs BU prospect Colby Cohen to a two way, three year deal with a $845,833 cap hit, and no bonuses.


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2010 NHL Entry Draft



Trades
  • Traded 2nd round pick (47th - Tyler Toffoli) for LA's 2nd (49th - Calvin Pickard) and 4th (109th)
  • Traded 3rd (77th - Alexandr Guptill) and 4th (109th - Alex Theriau) round picks for Dallas' 3rd (71st - Michael Bourniva)
  • Traded 2011 3rd round pick for NYI's 4th in 2010 (95th - Stephen Silas)


Picks
  • 1st Round (17th) - Joey Hishon - C - CAN - 5' 10" 170lbs - Owen Sound (OHL)
  • 2nd Round (49th) - Calvin Pickard - G - CAN - 6' 1" - 195lbs - Seatle (WHL)
  • 3rd Round (71st) - Michael Bourniva - LW/C - CAN - 5' 11'" 179lbs - Shawinigan (QMJHL)
  • 4th Round (95th) - Stephen Silas - D - CAN - 6' 1" 183lbs - Belleville (OHL)
  • 4th Round (107th) - Sami Aittokallio - G - FIN - 6' 1" 174lbs - ILVES JR. (FIN JR)
  • 5th Round (137th) - Troy Rutkowski - D - CAN - 6' 2" 208lbs - Portland (WHL)
  • 5th Round (139th) - Luke Walker - RW - USA - 6' 1" 174lbs - Portland (WHL)
  • 7th Round (197th) - Luke Moffatt - C - USA - 6' 1" 187lbs - USA U-18 (USHL)


Left Onboard
  • 1st (17th) - Joey Hishon over Emerson Etem (29th) Austin Watson (18th) Nick Bjugstad (19th) Mark Pysyk (23rd) Riley Sheahan (21st) Charlie Coyle (28th) John McFarland (33rd) Alexander Petrovic (36th) Jon Merrill (38th)
  • 2nd (49th) - Calvin Pickard over Jason Zucker (59th) Stephen Johns (60th) Kirill Kabanov (65th) Teemu Pulkkinen (111th)
  • 3rd (71st) - Michael Bourniva over Joey Leach (73rd) Stanislav Galiev (86th) Teemu Pulkkinen (111th)
  • 4th (95th) - Stephen Silas over Teemu Pulkkinen (111th)
  • 4th (107th) - Sami Aittokallio over Teemu Pulkkinen (111th)

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=791013
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=791729
http://avalanche.nhl.com/club/news.h...id=DL|COL|home


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2010 Offseason


Appointments
  • Sep 4th - Names Kirk McLean part time goalie coach.


RFA, Upcoming UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • May 15th - Signs QMJHL prospect defenseman Joel Chouinard to a three year entry level deal, with a $566,667 cap hit after signing bonuses.
  • May 23rd - Signs prospect defenseman Jonas Holos to a two year entry level deal, with a $612,500 cap hit.
  • May 25th - Re-signs Adam Foote to a one year deal with a $1 M base salary, and $250k in bonuses, that give him a $1.25 M cap hit.
  • June 3rd - Re-signs Peter Budaj to a one year deal with the same $1.25 M salary.
  • June 3rd - Re-signs David Koci to a one year deal with the same $575k salary.
  • June 9th - Re-signs Philippe Dupuis to a one year two way contract, with a $500k cap hit.
  • June 17th - Re-signs RFA Kevin Porter to a one year $600k deal.
  • June 17th - Re-signs RFA Raymond Macias to a one year $550k deal.
  • June 17th - Re-signs UFA to be Phillipe Dupuis to a one year $500k deal.
  • July 2nd - Re-signs RFA Kyle Quincey to a two year $6.25 M deal, with a $3.125 M cap hit.
  • July 2nd - Re-signs RFA Daniel Winnik to a two year $1.9 M deal, with a $950k cap hit.
  • July 2nd - Re-signs RFA Julian Talbot to a one year $500k deal.
  • Sep 2nd - Re-signs RFA Chris Stewart to a two year $5.75 N deal, with a $2.875 M cap hit.
  • Sep 11th - Re-signs Peter Mueller to a two year $4 M deal, with a $2 M cap hit.


UFA Signings
  • July 2nd - Signs John Grahame to a one year $500k deal.
  • July 2nd - Signs Jason Bacashihua to a one year $500k deal.
  • July 2nd - Signs David Liffiton to a one year $500k deal.
  • July 2nd - Signs Greg Mauldin to a one year $500k deal.
  • July 2nd - Signs David Van Der Gulik to a one year $500k deal.


UFA Departures
  • Brett Clark signs one year deal with TB.
  • Codey Burki
  • Wes O'Neill
  • Derek Peltier


Trades
  • June 17th - Trades RFA T.J. Hensick to St. Louis for Group VI UFA Julian Talbot.
  • June 28th - Trades 2012 4th rounder to Phoenix for Daniel Winnik.



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2010-11 Season
  • Nov 11th - Trades prospect forward Michael Bournival to Montreal for defenseman Ryan O'Byrne.
  • Nov 29th - Trades prospect defenseman Colby Cohen to Boston for defenseman Matt Hunwick.
  • Nov 30th - Trades Scott Hannan to Washington for Thomas Fleischmann.
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=847657
  • Feb 18 - Trades UFA to be goalie Craig Anderson to Ottawa for RFA to be Brian Elliott
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=879482
  • Feb 18th - Trades Chris Stewart, Kevin Shattenkirk and a conditional 2nd (conditional upon what year Blues pick they get) to St. Louis for Eric Johnson, Jay McClement, and a conditional 1st (If a top 10 pick in 2011, Colorado gets their 2012 1st)
    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=879961
  • Feb 28th - Trades prospect defenseman Kevin Montgomery for prospect defensemans Shawn Belle


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2011 NHL Entry Draft



Trades
  • None


Picks
  • 1st Round (2nd Overall) Gabriel Landeskog - LW - 6'1" 204 lbs - OHL
  • 1st Round (11th Overall) Duncan Siemens - LD - 6'3" 196 lbs - WHL
  • 4th Round (93rd Overall) Joachim Nermark - C - 6'0" 185 lbs - SWE JR
  • 5th Round (123rd Overall) Garrett Meurs - C - 5'11" 169 lbs - OHL
  • 6th Round (153rd Overall) Gabriel Beaupre - D - 6'2" 195 lbs - QMJHL
  • 7th Round (183rd Overall) Dillon Donnelly - D - 6'2" 193 lbs - QMJHL


Popular Prospects Passed Up
  • Gabriel Landeskog over Adam Larrson, Jonathon Huberdeau, and Sean Couturier.
  • Duncan Siemens over Ryan Murphy


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2011 Offseason


Appointments
  • March 25th - Named Joe Sakic Executive Advisor
  • June 16th - Named Adam Deadmarsh assistant coach after Steve Konowalchuk leaves to be Head Coach of Seattle (WHL).
  • June 16th - Named Tim Army video coach.


RFA, Upcoming UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • March 15th - Signs prospect forward Joey Hishon to a three year ELC with a $900k base salary, $300k performance bonus, $90k signing bonus, and $1.2 M cap hit.
  • March 25th - Signs prospect Calvin Pickard to a three year entry level contract. $843,333 cap hit.
  • March 25th - Signs prospect Tyson Barrie to a three year entry level contract. $715,000 cap hit.
  • May 11th - Re-signed UFA Milan Hejduk to a one year deal. $3 M cap hit.
  • June 16th - Re-signed RFA Ryan Stoa to a one year $803,250 deal.
  • June 16th - Re-signed UFA David Liffiton to a one year $525k deal.
  • June 21st - Re-signed UFA David Van Der Gulik to a one year $525k deal.
  • June 21st - Re-signed UFA Patrick Bordeleau to a one year $525k deal.
  • June 23rd - Re-signed RFA Justin Mercier to a one year $525k deal.
  • June 25th - Re-signed RFA Matt Hunwick to a one year $1.550 M deal.
  • June 29th - Re-signed RFA David Jones to a one year $2.5 M deal.
  • June 30th - Re-signed RFA Ryan O'Byrne to a two year deal, $1.8 M cap hit.
  • July 1st - Re-signed recently aquired Semyon Varlamov to a three year $8.5 M deal, $2,833,333 cap hit.
  • July 9th - Re-signed RFA Kevin Porter to a one year $850k deal, and avoids arbitration.
  • July 9th - Re-signed RFA Ryan Wilson to a one year $1.275 deal and avoids arbitration.
  • July 13th - Re-signed RFA T.J. Galiardi to a one year $700k deal.
  • July 28th - Signs Gabriel Landeskog to the rookie max $925k base salary, and a $3.575 cap hit after bonuses.
  • July 28th - Signs Duncan Siemens to the rookie max $925k base salary, and an undisclosed bonus amount and cap hit.
  • Sep 9th - Re-signs Kyle Cumiskey to a two way one year deal worth $708,750.


UFA Signings
  • June 15th - Signs LW Joakim Lindstrom from the SEL to a one year deal. $600k cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs D Jan Hejda to a four year $13 M deal - $3.25 cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs J.S. Giguerre to a yet to be diclosed contract.
  • July1st - Signs Chuck Kobasew to a two year deal - $1.25 M cap hit.
  • July 8th - Signs goalie Cedrick Desjardins to a one year deal.
  • July 8th - Signs forward Evan Brophey to a one year deal.
  • July 9th - Signs forward Patrick Rissmiller to a one year deal.
  • July 13th - Signs D Shane O'Brien to a one year $1.1 M deal.


UFA Departures
  • Brian Elliott - Not tendered QO - Signed one year $600k deal with St Louis.
  • Philippe Dupuis - Not tendered QO
  • Peter Budaj - Signed two year deal with Montreal - $1.150 M cap hit
  • Thomas Fleischman - Signed four year deal with Florida - $4.5 M cap hit


Trades
  • June 24th - Trades J.M. Liles to Toronto for Boston's 2012 2nd round pick.
  • July 1st - Trades 2012 1st and 2nd round picks (conditional upon whether Washiington wants 2012 or 2013 2nd) to Washington for Semyon Varlamov


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2011-12 Season

  • Oct 8th - Trades Kyle Cumiskey after he clears waivers to Anaheim for defensemean Jake Newton and a conditional 7th in 2013 (if he plays 45 games for the Ducks).
  • Oct 14th - Allows Jonas Holos to leave for Vaxjo of the SEL.
  • Dec 1st - Waives Joakim Lindstrom, and then allows him to leave for Skelleftea of the SEL
  • Feb 2nd - Trades Mike Carman to Washington for minor league defenseman Danny Richmond.
  • Feb 21st - Trades Kyle Quincey to TB for Steve Downie, who then trades Quincey to Detroit for their 1st in 2012, and minor league defenseman Sebastien Piche.
  • Feb 27th - Trades Daniel Winnik, TJ Galiardi, and a 7th in 2013 (Anaheim's) to San Jose for Jamie McGinn, and prospects Michael Sgarbossa, and Mike Connoly


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2012 NHL Draft

Trades
  • None

Picks
  • 2nd Round (41 Overall) - Mitchell Heard - C - 6'1" 190 lbs - OHL
  • 3rd Round (72 Overall) - Troy Bourke - LW - 5'10" 180 lbs - WHL
  • 5th Round (132 Overall) - Michael Clarke - C - 5'11" 184 lbs - OHL
  • 6th Round (162 Overall) - Joseph Blandisi - C/RW - 5'10" 182 lbs - OHL
  • 7th Round (192 Overall) - Colin Smith - C - 5'10" 162 lbs - WHL

Left Onboard
  • Mitchell Heard (41) over Colton Sissons (50) and Dalton Thrower (51) in 2nd round.



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2012 Offseason

Appointments
  • June 7th - Adam Deadmarsh moves from assistant coach to the player development dept under director Craig Billington.
  • June 7th - Tim Army moves from video coach to assistant coach.
  • June 13th - Sylvain Lefebvre steps down as assistant coach to be Hamilton's head coach in the AHL.
  • June 14th - Former LEM head coach David Quinn replaces Sylvain Lefebvre as Avalanche assistant coach.
    June 27th - Former NYI assistant coach Dead Chynoweth is named LEM Head Coach.


RFA, Upcoming UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • May 10th - Signs Kent Patterson to a two year deal, $627,500 cap hit
  • May 10th - Signs Keiran Millan to a two year deal, $627,500 cap hit
  • May 10th - Signs Sami Aittokallio to a three year deal, $683,333 cap hit
  • May 18th - Re-signs pending UFA Milan Hejduk to a one year, $2 M deal.
  • June 4th - Re-signs pending UFA Cody McLeod to a three year $3.45 M deal, $1.150 cap hit.
  • June 7th - Re-signs pending UFA David Jones to a four year $16 M deal, $4 M cap hit.
  • June 7th - Re-signs pending UFA Matt Hunwick to a two year $3.2 M deal, $1.6 M cap hit.
  • June 23rd - Re-signs RFA Matt Duchene to a two year, $7 M deal, $3.5 M cap hit.
  • June 25th - Re-signs RFA Ryan Wilson to a three year, $6.75 M deal, $2.25 M cap hit.
  • June 26th - Re-signs pending UFA Shane O'Brien to a three year, $6 M deal, $2 M cap hit.
  • June 29th - Re-signs RFA Steve Downie to a two year, $5.3 M deal, $2.65 cap hit.
  • July 1st - Re-signs RFA Mark Olver to a two year, $1.2 M deal, $600k cap hit. Two-way in year one, one-way year two.
  • July 3rd - Re-signs RFA Erik Johnson to a four year, $15 M deal, $3.75 M cap hit.
  • July 13th - Re-signs RFA Jamie McGinn to a two year $3.5 M deal, $1.75 M cap hit, avoiding arbitration.


UFA Signings
  • July 1st - Signs C/W John Mitchell to a two year, $2.2 M deal, $1.1 M cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs D Greg Zanon to a two year, $4.5 M deal, $2.25 M cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs RW P.A. Parenteau to a four year, $16 M deal, $4 M cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs LW Bryan Lerg to a two way, one year $525k deal.
  • July 1st - Signs RW Geoff Walker to a two way, one year deal.
  • July 2nd - Signs D Thomas Pock to a two way, one year $550k deal.
  • July 3rd - Signs RW Bill Thomas to a two way, one year $550k deal.
  • July 9th - Signs D Sean Sullivan to a two way, one year $575k deal.


UFA Departures
  • Peter Mueller (rights not qualified) - Signed one year $1.725 M deal with Florida.
  • Jay McClement - Signed two year $3 M deal with Toronto, $1.5 M cap hit.
  • Kevin Porter - Signed two year $1.075 M deal (two-way in first year) with Buffalo, $537,500 cap hit.
  • Cedrick Desjradins - Not qualified. Signed one year $600k (two-way) deal with Montreal.
  • Ryan Stoa - Not qualified. Signed one year $700k (two-way) deal with Washington.
  • Troy Rutkowski - Not qualified and re-enters the draft. Goes undrafted and is a free agent.
  • Stephen Silas - Not qualified and re-enters the draft. Goes undrafted and is a free agent.


Trades
  • None

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2012-13 Season

  • Feb 6th - Claimed LW/RW Aaron Palushaj off waivers from Montreal
  • Feb 28th - Matched offer sheet from Calgary for holdout center Ryan O'Reilly. Two years, $10M with $1M in base salary the first year, a $2.5M signing bonus, and $6.5M the second year. $5M cap hit.
  • Mar 23rd - Signs LEM forward Andrew Agozzino to a two year deal with a $590k cap hit.
  • Mar 23rd - Signs LEM defenseman Markus Lauridsen to a two year deal with a $590k cap hit.
  • Mar 23rd - Signs prospect defenseman Gabriel Beaupre to a three year ELC with a $591,667 cap hit.
  • Mar 23rd - Signs prospect forward Garrett Meurs to a three year ELC with a $621,667 cap hit.
  • April 1st - Signs undrafted junior center Trevor Cheek.
  • April 2nd - Trades prospect D Cameron Gaunce to Dallas for RW Tomas Vincour
  • April 3rd - Trades pending UFA Ryan O'Byrne to Toronto for 2014 4th round pick.


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2013 Offseason

Appointments
  • April 28th - Relieves head coach Joe Sacco of his duties
  • April 28th - Eric Lacroix steps down as Vice President of Hockey Operations


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For reference here is a link to the old Francois Giguere Record as GM thread with all moves made from time of hire, to his being let go by the organization, as well as the reaction to his firing thread. The third link is the first Sherman discussion thread that was closed at 1000 posts.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=485549
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=630757
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=648078


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Last thread was closed at 1000 posts. Continue Sherman loving and bashing here. And whatever falls in between I guess too.

Edit: Since it's been a while since his hiring, I'd just like to add that the & Co is in reference to the team on the the player ops side that are given a bit more responsibility than traditional organizations where the GM is more of a monarch.

They consists of:

Brad Smith: Director of Player Personnel
Eric Lacroix - Vice President of Hockey Operations
Craig Billington - Vice President of Player Development/Minor League Operations
Joe Sakic - Executive Advisor/Alternate Governor


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Huh...funny reading what I said about the Giguere ouster in '09, thanks for the link and the info you've compiled.

From the last thread:

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Lol Beachemin is the cornerstone of the Anaheim defense and he plays a ton of minutes. That trade was good for both teams.
Um, no, that was an immensely stupid trade for Anaheim. They had to give up a prime-time defensive prospect in order to get back a player who signed a contract they originally deemed too expensive. They could've just re-signed Beauchemin and kept Gardiner. They had to scramble and give up a top prospect to correct a mistake. That's bad asset management no matter how you cut it.

What sucks for the Leafs is that Beauchemin would be flourishing in Toronto under Carlyle right now, whereas Lupul is out and Gardiner is stuck in the AHL.

The only things that might turn it back in the Ducks favor is that Lupul's contract will be an albatross soon enough and the Leafs might actually flip Gardiner for nothing because Carlyle is an idiot.

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Huh...funny reading what I said about the Giguere ouster in '09, thanks for the link and the info you've compiled.

From the last thread:



Um, no, that was an immensely stupid trade for Anaheim. They had to give up a prime-time defensive prospect in order to get back a player who signed a contract they originally deemed too expensive. They could've just re-signed Beauchemin and kept Gardiner. They had to scramble and give up a top prospect to correct a mistake. That's bad asset management no matter how you cut it.

What sucks for the Leafs is that Beauchemin would be flourishing in Toronto under Carlyle right now, whereas Lupul is out and Gardiner is stuck in the AHL.

The only things that might turn it back in the Ducks favor is that Lupul's contract will be an albatross soon enough and the Leafs might actually flip Gardiner for nothing because Carlyle is an idiot.
You can call it poor asset management if you'd like and I'd agree with ya, but the fact is that Lupul couldn't stay healthy in Anaheim (and is still struggling to) and Gardiner is still a prospect. He had a good season last year but who knows if he'll turn into another Luke Schenn or not with the Leafs.

Beauch is the top defensemen on the best team in the west, maybe even the league IMO. The Ducks are better off in their current situation than they would be with injury prone Lupul and Gardiner. However, I agree that they should have kept everyone and just signed Beauchemin to the extension and never let him go to the Leafs in the first place.

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You can call it poor asset management if you'd like and I'd agree with ya, but the fact is that Lupul couldn't stay healthy in Anaheim (and is still struggling to) and Gardiner is still a prospect. He had a good season last year but who knows if he'll turn into another Luke Schenn or not with the Leafs.

Beauch is the top defensemen on the best team in the west, maybe even the league IMO. The Ducks are better off in their current situation than they would be with injury prone Lupul and Gardiner. However, I agree that they should have kept everyone and just signed Beauchemin to the extension and never let him go to the Leafs in the first place.
Not sure Gardiner counts as injury prone just yet, though it's never good when a player that young gets a concussion. The only reason he's in the AHL putting up great numbers is that Carlyle likes meathead blueliners even more than Sacco. I'm sure once the Leafs start their mid-season swoon Gardiner will be called up soon enough.

Bottom line, Murray had to give up a top defensive prospect to fix a major mistake on his part. That's just dumb no matter how you spin it. Even then he still has Lupul and Gardiner he can use as trade bait to address other needs.

Murray lucked into a better coach and already had a pretty solid roster, so he's looking okay despite that move. But I think if he tries more big moves like that he's going to run the franchise into the ground. His next big test will be if/when they can't reach a deal with Corey Perry.

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Beauch is the top defensemen on the best team in the west, maybe even the league IMO. The Ducks are better off in their current situation than they would be with injury prone Lupul and Gardiner. However, I agree that they should have kept everyone and just signed Beauchemin to the extension and never let him go to the Leafs in the first place.
But Beauchemin only has 171 points in 516 games.

It's funny that even with EJ's ****** offensive production this season and last, he still has career PPG that would be 34 over a full season. Yet he is getting pigeon-holed into being "just" a shutdown defenceman. There is literally no reason why he won't bounce back and get to this level, and beyond.

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But Beauchemin only has 171 points in 516 games.

It's funny that even with EJ's ****** offensive production this season and last, he still has career PPG that would be 34 over a full season. Yet he is getting pigeon-holed into being "just" a shutdown defenceman. There is literally no reason why he won't bounce back and get to this level, and beyond.
I'll believe it when I see it. Not giving up on the kid by any means, but I'm a bit skeptical at this point. The success of the trade largely rests on EJ getting it together. We'll see.

In any event, Sherman deserves praise this season for the acquisitions of Parenteau, Mitchell, and Palushaj. He deserves excoriation for the Zanon signing and the way he handled the O'Reilly situation.

I'm starting to back off my calls for Sherman's head, partially because I'm in wait-and-see mode for this season, partially because I don't think replacing him will make any difference.

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I'd venture to bet O'Reilly or Barrie could.

Man I'd love Sherman to stick it to Sacco and trade his precious "vets" and call up Barrie.
I want to see more of Radar before I consider him a decent PPQB, as for Barrie he will most likely become one down the road, but I don't think he has it right now.

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just read through the signing threads for Zanon and Hunwick.

Rather interesting how much of the Sherman hate stems from the underperforming of ROB, Hunwick, and Zanon this year, but
very few were so convinced that Sherman had created this bad of a defense at the time of the signing. Everyone just knew this was not going to be a great defense.

Every GM makes a poor move here and there, but overall, moves like the ones above are far less costly long term than overpaying for a FA or trading a star player for a poor return.
This is why I still have faith in Sherman, He rarely puts the team in a long term bind, while still trying to improve the team. This off season will be his make or break time though I think.

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just read through the signing threads for Zanon and Hunwick.

Rather interesting how much of the Sherman hate stems from the underperforming of ROB, Hunwick, and Zanon this year, but
very few were so convinced that Sherman had created this bad of a defense at the time of the signing. Everyone just knew this was not going to be a great defense.

Every GM makes a poor move here and there, but overall, moves like the ones above are far less costly long term than overpaying for a FA or trading a star player for a poor return.
This is why I still have faith in Sherman, He rarely puts the team in a long term bind, while still trying to improve the team. This off season will be his make or break time though I think.
I agree to a certain extent. But I believe that we have already seen that he is only a puppet. And if that true, the puppetmaster will ship out ROR next deadline.
Sherman will have to fire Sacco soon. He can make all the crazy good trades (I am not a fan of his work but he certainly could be worse in that department) but if he continues to hang onto Sacco, PL will have to let them both go rather sooner than later.

At some point even the Kroenkes will ask some questions.

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I think we can say for certain the Zanon signing has been an EPIC failure.

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I think we can say for certain the Zanon signing has been an EPIC failure.
Avs have trouble finding a good balance on defense. From the smurf defense with Cumiskey, Liles and Hunwick to this abomination where the only true PMD is in Cleveland.

Not only has Zanon as a player been underwhelming but his player type wasn't needed. That's on Sherman.

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Avs have trouble finding a good balance on defense. From the smurf defense with Cumiskey, Liles and Hunwick to this abomination where the only true PMD is in Cleveland.

Not only has Zanon as a player been underwhelming but his player type wasn't needed. That's on Sherman.
I was thinking about this earlier today, we went from a bunch of fast but weak midgets to a bunch of big guys who can't move. It's like Sherman doesn't understand that we need a balance of those two.

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Avs have trouble finding a good balance on defense. From the smurf defense with Cumiskey, Liles and Hunwick to this abomination where the only true PMD is in Cleveland.

Not only has Zanon as a player been underwhelming but his player type wasn't needed. That's on Sherman.
Yup, I've been grousing about that since the beginning of the season. We went from undersized and skilled to oversized and unskilled. We only achieved a balance of sorts when we had O'Byrne paired with Liles. The two truly complemented each other well.

Again, I'd rather have a skilled defense that can score but gives up a bunch of goals than an unskilled defense that can't score but also gives up a bunch of goals.

If anything else, it's hampering EJ's development since he was overworked prior to his injury covering for all these pylons and now is starting to get overworked again, especially with frickin' ZANON paired with him.

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I think we can say for certain the Zanon signing has been an EPIC failure.
I even admit that this signing made no sense, but to be honest his play in training camp looked really decent, but now it has been a trainwreck.

Maybe (and not a joke) Sherman signed him to get to Seth Jones?

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What mystifies me most is how soft this supposedly "gritty" defensive lineup is playing. The opposition is allowed to set up shop and do most anything they want in front of Varly...it must be driving him absolutely NUTS to be facing this many shots and have that many guys crashing in on him with no help whatsoever to clear the crease.

On that, I don't know who to blame. Is it on the GM for assembling a supposedly bigger, tougher defense that hasn't played big and tough all season? Or is it on the coach for not getting these guys to play physical hockey?

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What mystifies me most is how soft this supposedly "gritty" defensive lineup is playing. The opposition is allowed to set up shop and do most anything they want in front of Varly...it must be driving him absolutely NUTS to be facing this many shots and have that many guys crashing in on him with no help whatsoever to clear the crease.

On that, I don't know who to blame. Is it on the GM for assembling a supposedly bigger, tougher defense that hasn't played big and tough all season? Or is it on the coach for not getting these guys to play physical hockey?
I don't really know how to explain this D core's problem. Yea you could say there's a lot of slower defensive D, but there's also a lot of guys playing worse than last year, or worse than expected.

ROB is a perfect example. For the most part he was great last year in that second pairing shutdown role with Hejda. He hasn't played a whole lot with Hejda recently, but he didn't look all that great either right before they broke them up. He seems to just be a train wreck this year, which is the complete opposite of his steadying presence last year.

Zanon I didn't really get, or have much hope for when he signed, but he's somehow looked worse than I expected the last month or so. Also just a train wreck defensively, out of position, and slow to react.

SOB had a terrible start, but has been a fair amount better in all areas the last week or so after getting some games under his belt. He's still playing as a borderline top four guy though.

Hunwick looked very good in a 3rd pairing role for most of last year, but even though it appears he's still being used as a 3rd pairing guy, has looked more like the sieve in his first season with the Avs.

Hejda. EJ, and Wilson have been pretty solid defensively, skating, and puck handling wise, but haven't put that many points on the board, or really being a legit top pairing presence out there.

It's really a weird situation to figure out, and I have said this for a while but I think this style of bigger defenseman that we have a lot of, had a tougher time coming off the layoff than others, because it was tougher for them to stay close to top game shape, and adjust quickly to the speed of the smaller more nimble forwards. I wish I followed other teams, and their D more closely to see if this is the case league wide as well, or at least in the West.

I also get the feeling losing EJ's D partner Quincey had a trickle down affect on the team. It started with EJ not being as good all around to end last year, and having to focus more on defense, which resulted in other guys playing too many minutes, or bigger roles than they should. They need to find another legit top pairing partner for EJ, and lean on that duo, and let the rest of the chips fall where they may. That's the best route to go IMO, and the biggest key to this team improving.

Either way, it's clearly not the group they want to go into next year with, and the reason I'm not terribly upset with it is, it seems fairly easy to move some pieces, and let go of a guy like O'Byrne, and re-mold it with a bit more mobility.

Having the shortened 2012-13 season be another losing one is frustrating, but it's better than gambling on some overpriced deals you might get stuck with last summer, just to save a season where your likely not going to be a cup contender anyway. It's still better to serve the long term plan, than the short term one at this mid point of the rebuild.


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If we dont get a decent defensive corps the Varlamov trade is going to go down as a disaster as well. He cant keep facing 40 shots a night and be expected to succeed.

The Johnson trade is already an epic failure and we have a guy who doesn't know what he is doing on the ice but St. Louis has a D-man averaging 24 minutes a night and forward who is leading that team in scoring and being a massive physical presence.

I like Varlamov and EJ but it is shocking what we gave up for them.

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Kiszla has started his own little campaign to get Lacroix, Sherman, and Sacco fired.

I was a big Sherman supporter before the season but I hated the way they handled the O'Reilly situation and the defense has been a complete disaster. Might be time to completely clean house.

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Kiszla has started his own little campaign to get Lacroix, Sherman, and Sacco fired.

I was a big Sherman supporter before the season but I hated the way they handled the O'Reilly situation and the defense has been a complete disaster. Might be time to completely clean house.
I'm just scared we will land someone worse if we do that. There are sooo many GM's in this league that I consider worse options than Sherman.

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I don't really know how to explain this D core's problem. Yea you could say there's a lot of slower defensive D, but there's also a lot of guys playing worse than last year, or worse than expected.

ROB is a perfect example. For the most part he was great last year in that second pairing shutdown role with Hejda. He hasn't played a whole lot with Hejda recently, but he didn't look all that great either right before they broke them up. He seems to just be a train wreck this year, which is the complete opposite of his steadying presence last year.

Zanon I didn't really get, or have much hope for when he signed, but he's somehow looked worse than I expected the last month or so. Also just a train wreck defensively, out of position, and slow to react.

SOB had a terrible start, but has been a fair amount better in all areas the last week or so after getting some games under his belt. He's still playing as a borderline top four guy though.

Hunwick looked very good in a 3rd pairing role for most of last year, but even though it appears he's still being used as a 3rd pairing guy, has looked more like the sieve in his first season with the Avs.

Hejda. EJ, and Wilson have been pretty solid defensively, skating, and puck handling wise, but haven't put that many points on the board, or really being a legit top pairing presence out there.

It's really a weird situation to figure out, and I have said this for a while but I think this style of bigger defenseman that we have a lot of, had a tougher time coming off the layoff than others, because it was tougher for them to stay close to top game shape, and adjust quickly to the speed of the smaller more nimble forwards. I wish I followed other teams, and their D more closely to see if this is the case league wide as well, or at least in the West.

I also get the feeling losing EJ's D partner Quincey had a trickle down affect on the team. It started with EJ not being as good all around to end last year, and having to focus more on defense, which resulted in other guys playing too many minutes, or bigger roles than they should. They need to find another legit top pairing partner for EJ, and lean on that duo, and let the rest of the chips fall where they may. That's the best route to go IMO, and the biggest key to this team improving.

Either way, it's clearly not the group they want to go into next year with, and the reason I'm not terribly upset with it is, it seems fairly easy to move some pieces, and let go of a guy like O'Byrne, and re-mold it with a bit more mobility.

Having the shortened 2012-13 season be another losing one is frustrating, but it's better than gambling on some overpriced deals you might get stuck with last summer, just to save a season where your likely not going to be a cup contender anyway. It's still better to serve the long term plan, than the short term one at this mid point of the rebuild.
Good post.

I'll concede that there wasn't some magical inexpensive free agent available to help out the defense, but I'm not convinced that Sherman has made the best moves he could under the circumstances in terms of rebuilding this defense. It's true that the respective failures of O'Byrne, Zanon, and O'Brien have made a tough situation that much worse, but I still don't think this situation was unavoidable.

I still don't think Sherman is the guy going forward--just too many moves that are still questionable and the complete mishandling of the O'Reilly situation (not to mention that he appears to share the same lack of accountability as everyone else in the organization) leave me with no confidence in his ability to make this club a winner. Admittedly he's made some good moves, but hell, pretty much ever move Scott Howson made his first two years on the job in Columbus worked out as well.

That said, if Sherman is moved out for yet another Lacroix crony, there's no point in changing GMs.

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Kiszla has started his own little campaign to get Lacroix, Sherman, and Sacco fired.

I was a big Sherman supporter before the season but I hated the way they handled the O'Reilly situation and the defense has been a complete disaster. Might be time to completely clean house.
It was an anomaly but Kiszla's article was actually a good read.

Between the Ryan O'Reilly debacle and 17 losses in 27 games with a relatively healthy roster, there's more than enough justification to make a change.

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It was an anomaly but Kiszla's article was actually a good read.

Between the Ryan O'Reilly debacle and 17 losses in 27 games with a relatively healthy roster, there's more than enough justification to make a change.
Also, only one playoff appearance in five years for Sherman/Sacco. The team was in a rebuilding stage so you can cut them a bit of slack but the Varly trade basically signaled the end of the rebuild. I can't remember but Sherman might have even said as much after he made the trade. If (when) we miss the playoffs this season, it'll be two straight years of missing the playoffs after the team was supposed to take the next step. I like Sherman but that's unacceptable.

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Good post.

I'll concede that there wasn't some magical inexpensive free agent available to help out the defense, but I'm not convinced that Sherman has made the best moves he could under the circumstances in terms of rebuilding this defense. It's true that the respective failures of O'Byrne, Zanon, and O'Brien have made a tough situation that much worse, but I still don't think this situation was unavoidable.

I still don't think Sherman is the guy going forward--just too many moves that are still questionable and the complete mishandling of the O'Reilly situation (not to mention that he appears to share the same lack of accountability as everyone else in the organization) leave me with no confidence in his ability to make this club a winner. Admittedly he's made some good moves, but hell, pretty much ever move Scott Howson made his first two years on the job in Columbus worked out as well.

That said, if Sherman is moved out for yet another Lacroix crony, there's no point in changing GMs.
I think these are fair points. I can't truly disagree with any of them. I guess I'm coming off as the defacto Sherman defender, but I'm in no way above criticizing someone or something that I deem worthy of a large majority of blame, and that definitely includes the Avs brass if it's at a certain point of the rebuild.

I just think Sherman's done enough to warrant some patience with the overall plan and direction they're taking this team. I'd disagree with the comparison to Howson, as I think Sherman and the others have shown they have a plan in building this team, and an agression in terms of making trades (Varly, EJ, McGInn, Downie) and UFA's (PAP, Mitchell) that set him apart from most GM's.

Most GM's either lean more towards bringing in big names to make things happen short term, or are too patient expecting prospects to be the answer to all the teams problems. Sherman's done neither, and IMO that's the best approach. You have to tap into all avenues available, whether it's UFA on the right deals, or trades for guys you think are the right mix of player for the present and the future.

IMO he's done enough to be a little more patient with. The O'Reilly situation was a mess, but there was just so much going on there I don't think any of us have a true grasp of what went wrong, despite PL and this organization's tendency to get into those kind of principled disputes.

The D core this year sucks, but I'm fairly confident it can only be a short term problem, and in the end it won't be something that brings down the rebuild. That's really what I think is a fair way to judge Sherman's tenure. How he rebuilds this team into a contending team, and I think we're on a very good track. Despite some bumps in the road.

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