I'm all for equality but with that being said...I'm uncomfortable with trying to tell someone who has invested millions upon millions of dollars in their team who they should hire to be their coach
In football, there are tons of coordinators and college coordinators who weren't getting cracks at head coaching gigs.
It's sad but true. However I think it's a thing of the past. Sports have changed. This is now a multi-billion dollar business. It's not just a place to go on the weekends and check out a game. Fans are more rabid and devoted than ever. Everything's results drive nowadays and it really doesn't matter. If you can win, no one's going to say **** about you.
To anyone and everyone. The entire system is predicated on the notion of equality. The system is inherently unequal. Creating a system that was flawed, even with the most honest of intentions seemed logical at the time. We are going on four decades of it and it's time it stopped. It had a purpose, let's move on and not have a reason to keep tipping the scales.
I agree with you there...but in the NFL...there should be some sort of system to keep teams honest. It's just weird. Andy Reid loses his job, he gets a new one the next day. Lovie Smith is still waiting. The "old boys club" is the problem... It's like this for women in Upper management positions as well.
The NHL doesn't seem to have this problem though so a Rooney rule would be stupid. But maybe 100 years down the road? Who knows.
I agree with you there...but in the NFL...there should be some sort of system to keep teams honest. It's just weird. Andy Reid loses his job, he gets a new one the next day. Lovie Smith is still waiting. The "old boys club" is the problem... It's like this for women in Upper management positions as well.
The NHL doesn't seem to have this problem though so a Rooney rule would be stupid. But maybe 100 years down the road? Who knows.
In the future it could happen. I think most Americans who grew up playing hockey grew up in for the most part, more liberal states: MA, NY, MN, MI. I think they don't really care about race as long as there are results. I don't know how it is Canada and don't want to offend.
And I wouldn't assume the reason Lovie Smith is unemployed right now because of racist owners. Teams that had vacancies have hired African-American coaches before. Heck, Romeo Crenell coached two of 'em. It just doesn't make any sense to me. You see someone like Lovie Smith unemployed right now or the fact that Jim Caldwell didn't get a shot to coach another team and then you look at Marvin Lewis and wonder why he still has a job
The posted link is about an admissions case regarding admissions policies at the UM. At the time, the admissions office basically tallied up a certain number of points based on your application, and if you reached a minimum level you were "acceptable". At that point, it came down to the number of students they were going to accept for the class that year. The admissions policy at the time gave bonus points based on race (differing amounts depending on race) and there was a "quota" policy in effect, such that they had to accept a minimum number of minorities.
As one might expect, it was ruled unconstitutional based on the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
This is how affirmative action is unequal in favor of minorities, anywhere it is implemented.
The flip side of the coin is that when implemented, it gives minorities the authoritative statement that they need assistance; that they are not as good as white people in whatever situation it is being implemented in. Whether it is a true generalization or not (in that a minority group is not, on the average, as good at something) the situation will not change if hiring practices are unequal. I may sound harsh when I say this, but if you force a minority person (black, hispanic, etc.) to become equally qualified instead of "almost as good" then it is better for the whole - both the minority group and the general population - in the long term.
I agree with you there...but in the NFL...there should be some sort of system to keep teams honest. It's just weird. Andy Reid loses his job, he gets a new one the next day. Lovie Smith is still waiting. The "old boys club" is the problem... It's like this for women in Upper management positions as well.
The NHL doesn't seem to have this problem though so a Rooney rule would be stupid. But maybe 100 years down the road? Who knows.
Lovie Smith is a conservative defensive coach. If you look at the recent head coaching hires in the NFL they where all coaches with an offensive pedigree. The NFL has become a pass happy offensive league. I think that is the bigger reason why he didn't get a job right away. I'm sure he will get another head coaching job, but right now coaches like Chip Kelly are the new trend in the league.
I guess in the NHL you can make the argument that their should be more Euro coaches or general managers. Especially with the amount of Euro players that have played in the NHL over the years.
Lovie Smith is a conservative defensive coach. If you look at the recent head coaching hires in the NFL they where all coaches with an offensive pedigree. The NFL has become a pass happy offensive league. I think that is the bigger reason why he didn't get a job right away. I'm sure he will get another head coaching job, but right now coaches like Chip Kelly are the new trend in the league.
I guess in the NHL you can make the argument that their should be more Euro coaches or general managers. Especially with the amount of Euro players that have played in the NHL over the years.
Jarmo as GM. Mark my words, the Blue Jackets will be a well structured team in two seasons bred for consistent playoffs and consistent success
What is this ''minority'' crap. If people would stop calling themselves/others minorities and started calling themselves humans you would see alot less fight.
I dont know about tying that kind of rule to skin color, but it would make sense for every sports league to require teams to interview one canidate that has never been a head coach in the league and who isnt currently on the team for a top level job. That would go a long way to breaking the recycled coach philosophy in many sports
The Rooney rule is the worst rule in sports. Absolutely ridiculous. Race shouldn't matter. Complete BS, can't say it enough. If I was the one minority being interviewed I'd be embarrassed.
That's a stupid rule. Interview the best person for the job based on their merits, not their skin tone. I hate this alienation, affirmative action crap. If you truly want a color blind society, this is the stuff that needs to go away.
I think the NHL is the most competitive league in all of major sports. And the ONLY thing owners, presidents, and GM's of teams care about is WINNING and MAKING MONEY, and unless you are the Toronto Maple Leafs you can't make money without winning. Bottom line is they will stand behind that bench whoever can get wins. A qualified experienced coach who wins games is all that matters. The DIFFERENCE between the NFL and NHL is there are far less minorities involved in our sport. So it makes sense that there are less minority coaches (there isn't a problem, and no need for concern). If the NFL is lacking minority coaches that's a different story giving the number of experienced and qualified minorities involved in the sport. So NO I think a rule like this would be a waste of time in the NHL.
The posted link is about an admissions case regarding admissions policies at the UM. At the time, the admissions office basically tallied up a certain number of points based on your application, and if you reached a minimum level you were "acceptable". At that point, it came down to the number of students they were going to accept for the class that year. The admissions policy at the time gave bonus points based on race (differing amounts depending on race) and there was a "quota" policy in effect, such that they had to accept a minimum number of minorities.
As one might expect, it was ruled unconstitutional based on the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
This is how affirmative action is unequal in favor of minorities, anywhere it is implemented.
The flip side of the coin is that when implemented, it gives minorities the authoritative statement that they need assistance; that they are not as good as white people in whatever situation it is being implemented in. Whether it is a true generalization or not (in that a minority group is not, on the average, as good at something) the situation will not change if hiring practices are unequal. I may sound harsh when I say this, but if you force a minority person (black, hispanic, etc.) to become equally qualified instead of "almost as good" then it is better for the whole - both the minority group and the general population - in the long term.
Eh... not having affirmative action is disadvantageous to minorities because unfortunately we can't trust the majority to make non-race based decisions. That's a fact. Some of it is conscious while some of it is not.
Affirmative action isn't about hiring less than qualified minorities. It's about avoiding more than qualified minorities from being past over. Whether people like to admit it or not, the hiring practices are way out of wack. I think affirmative action sucks because it alienates minorities, but unfortunately it's a necessary evil because again...we can't trust that the decision makers are making non-biased decisions. That in the long run is not good for anyone.
The Rooney rule is the worst rule in sports. Absolutely ridiculous. Race shouldn't matter. Complete BS, can't say it enough. If I was the one minority being interviewed I'd be embarrassed.
Saying race doesn't matter does not make the problem go away. It does matter and a lot of it is subconscious. "If you were a minority". You are not....and I can assume that most here are not minorities and that's the problem with this discussion. Too much input from one side...and virtually none from the others. It's ironic, actually.
