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03-15-2013, 06:27 AM
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You can't trade Richards. For example; If you were to trade Richards this offseason, and he were to retire a year before his contract ended, we'd be on the hook for a 10.66 Million Cap hit that season for a player that's retired. If he retires 3 seasons early, you carry a ~3.5 cap hit for ALL three seasons. Do you even take the chance for that to happen? What if the Rangers have far and away the BEST structured team in the league that season, but are sitting right up against the cap and bam, they're hit with having to clear almost 11 Million in cap space because of Richards.

Unless you can get an absolute slam dunk in free agency this summer, you ride Richards next season and hope that he gets his mojo back before using the Amnesty buyout on him and going seperate ways.
Its actually worse. Scenario. Rangers trade Richards to TB. Off season 2013. He retires in the off season of 2017 before the three $1M annual salary years begin.

Rangers are hit with a $17M cap penalty. $5,666.667 for 3 years.

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Teams are lining up for a 36 year old rental in Iginla but a 31 year old player signed for next season with 105 goals in the last 3 seasons is too expensive?

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Hard to believe the Rangers won't use their last compliance buyout on Richards. Trading him retains the risk of a cap benefit recapture penalty a few years from now. GMs are definitely kicking the tires on Gaborik though. He's got one more year on his deal. Low risk. Rangers probably won't have the space to resign him even if they were interested. He should be moved next year at the latest.

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Teams are lining up for a 36 year old rental in Iginla but a 31 year old player signed for next season with 105 goals in the last 3 seasons is too expensive?
Gaborik is the whipping boy du jour. There's one every season.

Tortorella's system tends to suck the life out of talented players.

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03-15-2013, 06:46 AM
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Gaborik is the whipping boy du jour. There's one every season.

Tortorella's system tends to suck the life out of talented players.
Does it suck the effort out of players too?

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03-15-2013, 07:08 AM
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Teams are lining up for a 36 year old rental in Iginla but a 31 year old player signed for next season with 105 goals in the last 3 seasons is too expensive?
Fans of teams do. I'd consider the GMs more intelligent (at least I hope so).

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They had Kariya Forsberg Radulov.
They had Kariya for two seasons towards the end of his career when he was a 50 point player. Forsberg spent one season there, if I remember correct, and Radulov should never be mentioned in the same breath as any of them, Gaborik included, when talking about NHL stars.

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Voracek was far from a bottom 6 player on the Jackets. He was on the first line with Nash quite a bit. Simmonds was deemed 'untouchable' by Dean Lombardi and had a 40 pt season. Brayden Schenn was deemed the best prospect in hockey at the time of the trade. All three, high end prospects. The point is moot either way since Carter/Richards had 100x the value Gaborik has.

The vibe I got from the TSN crew was that they're shipping Gaborik for Torrey Mitchell, Zenon Konopka and Clayton Stoner.
Voracek looked bad in his final season in CLB. 46 points, getting top-line time. No surprise that when he went to PHI he was on their 3rd line.

Simmonds was a young, 3rd liner. Of course he had upside. That was my point. A 3rd liner description right now without knowing who they are talking about COULD be a young player with high upside playing 3rd line right now. JT Miller is playing on the 3rd line right now. Zibanejad is another example.


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What Voracek was coming off back to back ~50 point seasons at age 20 and 21. Schenn was a top prospect. And I admittedly do not know how Simmonds was perceived while in LA/as a prospect.
He had 46 points his final season in CLB. And the team was down on him because it looked like he was regressing.

Simmonds was looked at as a 3rd liner. I really don't think they saw him turning into what he has with PHI.

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No.

Voracek was a young ~50 point scorer (on a bad team, no less) with obvious room for more growth. A poster like you knows that 50 point third liners are a myth, for the most part, especially when they're doing it at 20 and 21 years old. He was already a legitimate top-six forward with his absolute ceiling being that of a first liner. He was widely considered a good, young, 2nd liner with upside. Schenn, about 6 months before the trade was being called the best player not in the NHL by some (probably the prospect enthusiasts around these parts mostly, but still... he was a very highly touted prospect). Simmonds was viewed, basically, a lot like Dubinsky, as a guy who was ideal on the third line but could play in the top-six, and do pretty well. Simmonds and Voracek were also both known to be pretty solid defensively. None of them were really considered "bottom six" guys; you could make an argument for Simmonds, and that's it really. Schenn was being talked about as a #1C kind of prospect and Voracek had proven himself as a young top-six talent on a bad team.
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Hornqvist? But he is not bottom 6.
Hornqvist was actually playing 3rd line earlier this season and last season with a ton of PP time.

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Teams are lining up for a 36 year old rental in Iginla but a 31 year old player signed for next season with 105 goals in the last 3 seasons is too expensive?
Exactly.

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2 bottom six forwards and a top 4 right handed defenseman. The top 4 right handed D is worth Gaborik by himself.
If that is the price, then I don't know which team will bite. LeBrun said it was 2 bottom six forwards with grit, and a top 4 RHD. If its Nashville, then they have 3 RHD that they can trade, but they are all in the Stralman mold. They wanna move Gaustad, and he fits the bill as a guy that can be a compliance buyout, but I just don't see Sather and Poile doing a deal that can backfire on each other.

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Teams are lining up for a 36 year old rental in Iginla but a 31 year old player signed for next season with 105 goals in the last 3 seasons is too expensive?
Gaborik scoring all of his goals in 5 games = Gaborik is terribad!

Iginla scoring all of his goals in 5 games = OMG TRADE FOR IGINLA!!11!1one!

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Gaborik scoring all of his goals in 5 games = Gaborik is terribad!

Iginla scoring all of his goals in 5 games = OMG TRADE FOR IGINLA!!11!1one!
I REALLY hope the Rangers do not target Iginla at the deadline but the point remains, why is it that Iginla @ 36 years old and a pending UFA, will return a 1st + good prospect + NHL player (looking at past deals as a gauge) and then people assume Gaborik will return Paul Gaustad + Mike Fischer......does. not. make. sense.

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Gaborik scoring all of his goals in 5 games = Gaborik is terribad!

Iginla scoring all of his goals in 5 games = OMG TRADE FOR IGINLA!!11!1one!
This would've been funny even if you were making it up. It's even funnier because it's a fact.

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I REALLY hope the Rangers do not target Iginla at the deadline but the point remains, why is it that Iginla @ 36 years old and a pending UFA, will return a 1st + good prospect + NHL player (looking at past deals as a gauge) and then people assume Gaborik will return Paul Gaustad + Mike Fischer......does. not. make. sense.
I think there's an implied value in a rental since it carries a pro-rated salary and no commitment for next year. However, I just find it amusing that people think Iginla is such a better option than Gaborik. I hate to be that guy, but it's pretty obvious that because Iginla is such a figure in Canada, and there's such a great story behind the "loyal to Calgary" thing, that he's getting the benefit of the doubt here.

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Gaborik - Iginla is VG trade ONLY if they can resign Iginla next year for a 2-3 yr deal for lesser $.

Iginla maybe older, but he's in much better physical condition, hardly ever gets injured. The guy is 2x the player Gaborik is physically, plus he fights and provides leadership... Iginla is the full package and fits Tortorella's system better. I think he would be an animal under Tortorella.

when the third moon aligns with saturn, and Gaborik is healthy he's a better scorer, when that doesn't happen, he's a streaky glider that does nothing to impact the game.

The way this season is going for both teams/players Gaborik - Iginla makes too much sense, but ONLY if they can resign Iginla, along with a defensman/bottom six player coming back as well.

We've done deals with Calgary before....

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Gaborik - Iginla is VG trade ONLY if they can resign Iginla next year for a 2-3 yr deal for lesser $.

Iginla maybe older, but he's in much better physical condition, hardly ever gets injured. The guy is 2x the player Gaborik is physically, plus he fights and provides leadership... Iginla is the full package and fits Tortorella's system better. I think he would be an animal under Tortorella.

when the third moon aligns with saturn, and Gaborik is healthy he's a better scorer, when that doesn't happen, he's a streaky glider that does nothing to impact the game.

The way this season is going for both teams/players Gaborik - Iginla makes too much sense, but ONLY if they can resign Iginla, along with a defensman/bottom six player coming back as well.

We've done deals with Calgary before....
I swear, if Sather uses his one VERY valuable trade chip in Gaborik to bring in players who won't be around for a long time I will flip out. Literally.

If they trade Gaborik they need to look to the future with at least (2) assets coming back + someone who can play now.

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LeBrun said the Rangers are looking for 2 bottom six forwards and a righty top 4 D. The Rangers are looking to add those pieces but not necessarily in a Gabork trade. Then he made a comment about keeping Prust. If you look at the numbers from last season. Prust had 2 goals in the first 5 games. His next goal came on February 12. He had 5 all year. During most of the playoffs,he was playing with Mitchell and Rupp. That's worth $10M? No. http://snyrangersblog.com/2012-13-pl...-rangers-want/

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Rangers are deep at RW. Iginla is not a good fit. If its a forward, they should be targeting a LW that can play in this system, or a guy to take over when and if Richards is out.

Gaborik despite the current views on his play is still a phenomial talent. Its p[retty clear though that he does NOT fit in well on the Left Wall. Yes, he's a lefty, but he is clearly not comfortable over there. Even if they drop him to the 3rd line at least move him back to the Right side. It's more Natural for him.

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I know you guys think im drunk but Gaborik, Bickel, Gilroy for Tanguay, Glencross, Babchuk and a pick

Flames need to shake things up. If Gabby would accept a deal there it make sense to me

They then move Iginla for prospects and a pick and Gabby is the top RW

then say Boyle in a package for Goc

Rangers are deeper that way.

Tanguay, Richards, Nash
Hagelin, Stepan, Callahan
Glencross, Goc, Pyatt
Powe, Halpern, Asham/Haley

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I know you guys think im drunk but Gaborik, Bickel, Gilroy for Tanguay, Glencross, Babchuk and a pick

Flames need to shake things up. If Gabby would accept a deal there it make sense to me

They then move Iginla for prospects and a pick and Gabby is the top RW

then say Boyle in a package for Goc

Rangers are deeper that way.

Tanguay, Richards, Nash
Hagelin, Stepan, Callahan
Glencross, Goc, Pyatt
Powe, Halpern, Asham/Haley
Vitto, that's a terrible trade. Babchuk is terrible defensively. Tanguay is old. What is the point of making the team older? Why?

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I know you guys think im drunk but Gaborik, Bickel, Gilroy for Tanguay, Glencross, Babchuk and a pick

Flames need to shake things up. If Gabby would accept a deal there it make sense to me

They then move Iginla for prospects and a pick and Gabby is the top RW

then say Boyle in a package for Goc

Rangers are deeper that way.

Tanguay, Richards, Nash
Hagelin, Stepan, Callahan
Glencross, Goc, Pyatt
Powe, Halpern, Asham/Haley
Why is "Flames need to shake things up" justification to engage in a terrible trade with them ?

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Boyle struggled in the first half of last season. He scored of majority of his goals later in the season. It was an issue last season. The depth guys. Look at how many goals Anaheim has gotten out of their forwards 6-9/10. Cogliano. Winnik. Bonino. Beleskey.

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The team needs 3-4 good bottom-6 players.

Powe has been good. No points, not getting it done.

Haley/Asham - serve a role, I would like to see more of Haley, that's for sure.

Boyle - Kills offense

Miller - Young, needs more time

Pyatt and Halpern have been the (2) consistent players and neither of them have been all that great, just passable at this point.

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I swear, if Sather uses his one VERY valuable trade chip in Gaborik to bring in players who won't be around for a long time I will flip out. Literally.

If they trade Gaborik they need to look to the future with at least (2) assets coming back + someone who can play now.
like i said, the Iginla trade works ONLY if we can resign him to a 2-3yr deal @ lesser $. No Iginla rental. We're supposed to be ready to compete NOW, so I want a real 25g coming back, not a couple of players with "upside".

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Rangers are deep at RW. Iginla is not a good fit. If its a forward, they should be targeting a LW that can play in this system, or a guy to take over when and if Richards is out.
Well if Gaborik was scoring then the issue of being too deep @ rw would be inconsequential. Other than that, Iginla is a much better fit for this team under Tortorella than Gaborik ever could hope to be.

Technically Nash could still play LW...

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The team needs 3-4 good bottom-6 players.

Powe has been good. No points, not getting it done.

Haley/Asham - serve a role, I would like to see more of Haley, that's for sure.

Boyle - Kills offense

Miller - Young, needs more time

Pyatt and Halpern have been the (2) consistent players and neither of them have been all that great, just passable at this point.
The Boyle experiment is killing our bottom six. Pyatt and Halpern have been disappointments, IMO. Powe as well. It's not okay, just to play "ok". No one in our bottom six ever makes a difference in a game... ever.

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