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03-15-2013, 03:06 AM
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Couturier and Meszaros for Schneider and a 1st.

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Don't really think the canucks want Briere. What they need is a 2nd line center who is capable defensively, which we all know briere isn't.
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Trade Deadline is in 2 1/2 weeks. I can't see Homer not doing anything (bad or good) like he said if it comes down to a few days before freeagency.

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Some clown called into 94.1. I don't usually listen to WIP but I was in traffic and they were talking Flyers so I tuned in. The guy said he talked to people "in the know," who said that Buffalo and Philly were talking about a Matt Read, Ilya Bryzgalov, and draft picks for Ryan Miller and Thomas Vanek trade.

I laughed. No chance Buffalo does that.

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Trade Deadline is in 2 1/2 weeks. I can't see Homer not doing anything (bad or good) like he said if it comes down to a few days before freeagency.
I think if the Flyers are going to make any major moves, it will be after Sunday's game against Tampa. The team will have 5 days off to regroup around either new players, hopefully subtracted ones, or a new coach. Losing to New Jersey and Tampa would be the nail in the coffin so to speak on the season.

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Trade Deadline is in 2 1/2 weeks. I can't see Homer not doing anything (bad or good) like he said if it comes down to a few days before freeagency.
I don't think he is going to make any moves in advance of the deadline, as has been his style in recent years. If he does anything it will be at the deadline. At that point I think it will be 100% clear whether or not the team is going to make the playoffs. Right now, while I think it is pretty clear they won't make it, it is still a possibility. In two and a half weeks they will have only 12 games left. Possibly being mathematically eliminated, or close to that. At that point I think Homer will try to deal some of the tradeable players. We may not see Briere getting dealt like many of us want, but I think they will get rid of the guys they can.

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Some clown called into 94.1. I don't usually listen to WIP but I was in traffic and they were talking Flyers so I tuned in. The guy said he talked to people "in the know," who said that Buffalo and Philly were talking about a Matt Read, Ilya Bryzgalov, and draft picks for Ryan Miller and Thomas Vanek trade.

I laughed. No chance Buffalo does that.
They'd certainly have to fire and probably commit Regier if he did that trade.

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I think if the Flyers are going to make any major moves, it will be after Sunday's game against Tampa. The team will have 5 days off to regroup around either new players, hopefully subtracted ones, or a new coach. Losing to New Jersey and Tampa would be the nail in the coffin so to speak on the season.
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I don't think he is going to make any moves in advance of the deadline, as has been his style in recent years. If he does anything it will be at the deadline. At that point I think it will be 100% clear whether or not the team is going to make the playoffs. Right now, while I think it is pretty clear they won't make it, it is still a possibility. In two and a half weeks they will have only 12 games left. Possibly being mathematically eliminated, or close to that. At that point I think Homer will try to deal some of the tradeable players. We may not see Briere getting dealt like many of us want, but I think they will get rid of the guys they can.
I do agree on both points in a sense. I guess it depends on how much one believes Homer has changed in regards to how "antsy" he gets. Since he has joined the team as the GM, he always had the approach where, when the team has done well or bad, he would try to improve them. The only year that was different was the "year that shall not be named".

I don't know if the team will win the next few games, but I will agree with you DFF if they continue to play this .500 hockey. Say like win against the Devils and then lose against TB. Homer will then wait til the end. On the other hand, if we say go on a losing streak and lose the next 3-4, I do think he starts working the lines harder and "I hope" he trades players away instead of still hoping we can make the playoffs.

As much as I'd like Briere to get traded, I do agree that realistically smaller guys like Feds, Talbot, maybe Mez if does a little better. If I remember correctly, this weekend alot of college teams are done. Maybe we will start seeing some signings that way and a guy like Sustr who can get a chance to play this season.

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Some clown called into 94.1. I don't usually listen to WIP but I was in traffic and they were talking Flyers so I tuned in. The guy said he talked to people "in the know," who said that Buffalo and Philly were talking about a Matt Read, Ilya Bryzgalov, and draft picks for Ryan Miller and Thomas Vanek trade.

I laughed. No chance Buffalo does that.
Yeah that sounds about right. My favorite was when the Richards/Carter trades went down and they had Gargano (who knows hockey a little bit) and Ike Reese on during that time slot. Just listening to Reese try to talk about the trades/hockey was hilarious. The guy was totally out of his element.

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Couturier and Meszaros for Schneider and a 1st.

How about no


Lets not quit on a 20 year old kid who has shown tremendous potential.

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Couturier and Meszaros for Schneider and a 1st.
Yuck.

I'd rather just flip Briere + Leighton / Boucher ( + a prospect or mid-round pick?) for Luongo.

Vancouver gets a bump for this years playoffs and, if they can't fit him in long-term, a much cheaper buy-out. The Flyers bite the bullet and use a compliance buyout on Bryzgalov, and deal with Luongo's contract instead.

I'm not saying it is ideal, but I don't see the point in moving Couturier for Schneider.


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I don't think he is going to make any moves in advance of the deadline, as has been his style in recent years. If he does anything it will be at the deadline. At that point I think it will be 100% clear whether or not the team is going to make the playoffs. Right now, while I think it is pretty clear they won't make it, it is still a possibility. In two and a half weeks they will have only 12 games left. Possibly being mathematically eliminated, or close to that. At that point I think Homer will try to deal some of the tradeable players. We may not see Briere getting dealt like many of us want, but I think they will get rid of the guys they can.
If you are selling you'll get the best offers right before the TDL.
So yeah, I don't think a trade is coming before April 3rd, unless Homer somehow thinks he could turn this thing around with a trade.

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Fedontenko and Gagne should be traded if they are out. Makes zero sense to keep them around.

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Yuck.

I'd rather just flip Briere + Leighton / Boucher ( + a prospect or mid-round pick?) for Luongo.

Vancouver gets a bump for this years playoffs and, if they can't fit him in long-term, a much cheaper buy-out. The Flyers bite the bullet and use a compliance buyout on Bryzgalov, and deal with Luongo's contract instead.

I'm not saying it is ideal, but I don't see the point in moving Couturier for Schneider.
I love couturier as much as the next guy, but lets face it, with both Couturier and Laughton in our hands, one of them is our best trading chip to fill one of this teams glaring holes. And which one of them holds more value? Couturier.

But actually Laughton could fit their needs as well:

How's this plan?

Laughton, Meszaros and a 2nd for Schneider

Briere to Boston for a 1st

Coburn and a 3rd to Phoenix for a 1st and Rundblad

Flyers win the lottery! Rejoice!
We hold: 1st pick, 21st pick (Phoenix), 28th pick (Boston)

1 - Seth Jones
21 - Anthony Mantha
28 - Robert Haag

Sign Al Montoya

Jones and Mantha make the team out of camp.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Mantha - Schenn - Simmonds
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Talbot - McGinn

Timonen - Jones
Schenn - Rundblad
Grossmann - Manning/Bourdon/Gervais

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I love couturier as much as the next guy, but lets face it, with both Couturier and Laughton in our hands, one of them is our best trading chip to fill one of this teams glaring holes. And which one of them holds more value? Couturier.

But actually Laughton could fit their needs as well:

Laughton, Meszaros and a 2nd for Schneider?
Does Laughton project that much better than the kid they drafted last year, Brendan Gaunce?

I thought he was a similar kind of shut-down C--but with better size?

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Gaunce and Laughton are exactly the same player.

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Gaunce has slightly better size at 6'2" 205 (6'1" 177 for Laughton) but I think Laughton has the better offensive potential of the two.

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Gaunce and Laughton are exactly the same player.
Yeah now looking up their numbers and draft write ups they really are the same player.

DAMN there goes my completely feesible plan.

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I love couturier as much as the next guy, but lets face it, with both Couturier and Laughton in our hands, one of them is our best trading chip to fill one of this teams glaring holes. And which one of them holds more value? Couturier.

But actually Laughton could fit their needs as well:

How's this plan?

Laughton, Meszaros and a 2nd for Schneider

Briere to Boston for a 1st

Coburn and a 3rd to Phoenix for a 1st and Rundblad

Flyers win the lottery! Rejoice!
We hold: 1st pick, 21st pick (Phoenix), 28th pick (Boston)

1 - Seth Jones
21 - Anthony Mantha
28 - Robert Haag

Sign Douglas Murray
Sign Al Montoya

Jones and Mantha make the team out of camp.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Mantha - Schenn - Simmonds
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Talbot - McGinn

Timonen - Jones
Grossmann - Rundblad
Murray - Manning/Bourdon/Gervais

Schneider
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What about Luke schenn?

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I love couturier as much as the next guy, but lets face it, with both Couturier and Laughton in our hands, one of them is our best trading chip to fill one of this teams glaring holes. And which one of them holds more value? Couturier.

But actually Laughton could fit their needs as well:

How's this plan?

Laughton, Meszaros and a 2nd for Schneider

Briere to Boston for a 1st

Coburn and a 3rd to Phoenix for a 1st and Rundblad

Flyers win the lottery! Rejoice!
We hold: 1st pick, 21st pick (Phoenix), 28th pick (Boston)

1 - Seth Jones
21 - Anthony Mantha
28 - Robert Haag

Sign Douglas Murray
Sign Al Montoya

Jones and Mantha make the team out of camp.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Mantha - Schenn - Simmonds
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Talbot - McGinn

Timonen - Jones
Grossmann - Rundblad
Murray - Manning/Bourdon/Gervais

Schneider
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Where's Luke Schenn?

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What about Luke schenn?
Stop pointing out all my deficiencies everybody!

Just forgot him, obviously haha. Fixed

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Stop pointing out all my deficiencies everybody!

Just forgot him, obviously haha. Fixed
Its all good. I just figured you had him as a scratch with the flu like symptoms.

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I don't see the point in trading Coburn + for Rundblad + in this scenario.

Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-Jones (or Meszaros?)
Gustafsson-Grossmann

That's find for next year, and long-term, Jones takes the top PMD minutes when Timonen retires. There are also guys like Gostisbehere who could play 2PP minutes going forward.

I still think Briere + for Luongo makes more sense. Heck, if they want Mezsaros and are willing to add a pick or prospect, all the better.

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Second Line LW ($0.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Harry Zolnierczyk ($0.700m) /

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Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Second Pairing Defenseman ($0.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.975m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
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Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Backup Goalie ($0.900m)

OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,829,048; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $9,270,952
There's a few options there. If you aren't certain Jones would be ready, either keep Mezsaros, or sign a PMD short-term. In either case, this seems like a scenarios that a provides for a competitive team next year, and a bright future going forward, with plenty of flexibility to re-sign the guys that need to be after next season. (Obviously the cap is skewed because Pronger is left on the active roster).

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Some clown called into 94.1. I don't usually listen to WIP but I was in traffic and they were talking Flyers so I tuned in. The guy said he talked to people "in the know," who said that Buffalo and Philly were talking about a Matt Read, Ilya Bryzgalov, and draft picks for Ryan Miller and Thomas Vanek trade.

I laughed. No chance Buffalo does that.
It's crazy but not that terrible for Buffalo if the pick is a 1st this year. Miller and Vanek only have one year left on their contracts at big money, 7.14 mil and 6.25. Vanek is turning 30 and Miller is declining at 32 and becoming a bit of a head case. The cap is going down next year. Bryz is 5.66 mil hit and Read is less than 1 mil. So Buffalo rids itself of close to 7 million in cap space for two aging players on the downside for potentially a top 5 pick in a loaded draft, a cheap 20 goal scorer, and a cheaper goalie who is playing about as well as Miller. The deal doesn't make sense for the Flyers end.

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1. Just because you submit an offersheet doesn't mean they are going to sign. Seems like most players just use them as leverage without signing them.
Fair enough. But I think most prospects who make it to RFA status would rather receive the financial security that goes along w/ a long-term contract rather than helping their team out w/ a bridge contract. I see making an offer to McDonaugh as kind of a no-lose situation.

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2. Your numbers for boston are off a bit. They don't have Savard on LTIR yet so their space jumps to close to 14 million for Rask, possibly Horton, Caron, a D man or two, and a backup goalie. They really aren't in a tight spot just yet
Why would LTIR matter at all? LTIR doesn't become available till after the 1st game of the season, so my numbers for Boston are correct. In order for Boston to be cap compliant, their roster for the first game needs to fit under the 64.3M cap. And it's not like you can just bury guys in the minors anymore.

An offersheet to Rask would put them into difficulty. They would need to do some serious restructuring of their roster to keep Rask, field a full roster, and remain cap compliant.

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3. Rangers have almost 11m to sign McDonagh, possibly Sauer, Hagelin, and Stepan. The rangers usually get their RFAs to sign bridge contracts for low amounts. They also have Kreider in the AHL and McIlrath waiting in the AHL. Not exactly a tough spot
I don't quite understand how you can say that's not a tough spot. The Rangers have always / will continue to always have at least 1 extra FWD and 1 extra D on the roster (13 FWDs, 7D). If you assume the Rangers fill their extra FWD and extra D w/ the absolute cheapest possible guys (~600k cap hit), then they have ~9.75M left to spend on re-signing Hagelin, Stepan, and McD. If you offer-sheet McD @ 6M, that leaves 3.75M to split between Hagelin and Stepan. That's clearly not going to get it done.

That puts them into difficulty. As to what they might do to address that difficulty, you seem to have a few ideas:

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Exactly. Left that out of my post since I see them keeping Richards for at least a year and trying to trade Gaborik away instead this summer
Ok, so depending on what the Rangers do, they might have enough to sign McD. I never disputed that. But without an offersheet, they can sign all their RFAs and still keep the rest of their roster intact.

Since the Rangers are our division foes and we're directly competing with them, isn't it advantageous to us if we force them to either amnesty their #1C or trade their 40 goal scoring #1 winger? Especially when there are no good replacements available for them either internally or externally?!? I know I'd look a lot more favorably on a matchup w/ NY if Richards or Gaborik were gone.

Plus, other GMs are pretty intelligent. If we offer-sheet McD and put the Rags in a serious bind and they decide to trade Gaborik to get out of that bind, there's no possible way Sather gets full value for Gaborik. It'll be like Homer trading Gags for cap relief all over again.

I just don't see where the downside is here. If we do nothing, the Rags can keep their roster intact and resign all their RFAs. If we offersheet McD, we're either getting a puck moving D w/ #1 ability, or we're forcing the Rangers to significantly weaken their team.

We can't lose.

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