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03-15-2013, 12:14 PM
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If that guy is Moen, I'm blocking you...
I wouldn't bet against Dumont, tbh. He's nuts.

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03-15-2013, 12:15 PM
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Moen is a beast. But, Armstrong is a bigger beast. Both are super-beast that play on a team full of beast.......

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I wouldn't bet against Dumont, tbh. He's nuts.
Dumont would never fight Finley.

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03-15-2013, 12:18 PM
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Dumont would never fight Finley.
It's almost as if I was joking.

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03-15-2013, 12:21 PM
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Prust's shoulder injury occurred in a fight against a guy who is 6'7. Bourque's concussion happened when Orr smoked him. McLaren beat up Gorges and laughed at him. Chara beat up Emelin and could have seriously hurt him.

Did you miss those games?
The pacifists cherry pick information to support their claim that everything is fine and dandy with our team. Personally, I'm still on the fence vis-a-vis how good this team is. I think Toronto or Boston will slaughter us in the playoffs. Not by fighting, but wearing us down, and intimidating our players.

Again, ask any of the peaceniks if they've played competitive hockey.

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It's almost as if I was joking.
hope so

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our mythical enforcer would have been on the ice for?
Corncob - fighters protect players before, during and for future games. In an interview, Tony Twist said that anything that isn't settled in the current game, is settled in a future game. It's about creating doubt in your opponent's mind.

This is so useless, I'm debating people who maybe... MAYBE played house league.


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03-15-2013, 12:26 PM
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The pacifists cherry pick information to support their claim that everything is fine and dandy with our team. Personally, I'm still on the fence vis-a-vis how good this team is. I think Toronto or Boston will slaughter us in the playoffs. Not by fighting, but wearing us down, and intimidating our players.

Again, ask any of the peaceniks if they've played competitive hockey.
Let's drop all the generalizations full-stop. There are good cases to be made on both sides and calling people names isn't going to help get your point across.

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03-15-2013, 12:30 PM
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We need a bigger body on the fourth line that can play hockey because Therrien, for the most part, likes to role with four lines. It would be useless for us to get a player who fights but is a liability on the ice.
This. I read an article earlier this week that outlines how well Therrien has used his fourth line this year. (here's a link to it).

Armstrong, White and Moen barely score, but that's in part by design because they take the vast majority of their faceoffs in the defensive zone, freeing up easier minutes for the other lines. There's no way in hell that a talentless lug like Kassian would be able to do that. They'd be stuck double-shifting another player with the fourth line much of the time, which would mean that they'd be stuck using, say, the Plekanec line in defensive situations much more than they are now.

Basically, they'd be sacrificing one of the reasons that the team is doing well for the sake of having the occasional pointless scrap. No thank you.

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03-15-2013, 12:34 PM
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Bordeleau is good enough to replace Armstrong on the 4th line.

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03-15-2013, 12:39 PM
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Bordeleau is good enough to replace Armstrong on the 4th line.

Someone should tell Colorado because they're only playing him for five minutes a game....

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Someone should tell Colorado because they're only playing him for five minutes a game....
And Colorado is in last place. What's your point?

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Bordeleau is good enough to replace Armstrong on the 4th line.
The guy replacing Armstrong is Dumont. Bordeleau would replace White

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And Colorado is in last place. What's your point?
That it's not particularly obvious that someone with 25 career NHL games who is only getting 5 minutes a night on one of the worst teams in the league is 'good enough' to replace someone getting nearly 11 minutes a game on one of the best teams in the league.

Thought that was pretty clear tbh.

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That it's not particularly obvious that someone with 25 career NHL games who is only getting 5 minutes a night on one of the worst teams in the league is 'good enough' to replace someone getting nearly 11 minutes a game on one of the best teams in the league.

Thought that was pretty clear tbh.
It's even worse than that. Bordeleau's 5 minutes a game are offensive-zone minutes played primarily against other fourth liners. His metrics scream 'one-dimensional goon'.

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This guy is Prust himself.

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That it's not particularly obvious that someone with 25 career NHL games who is only getting 5 minutes a night on one of the worst teams in the league is 'good enough' to replace someone getting nearly 11 minutes a game on one of the best teams in the league.

Thought that was pretty clear tbh.
because you would play Armstrong 11min a night if you were the coach? Armstrong would not even play on the colorado 4th line......... the guy is way to slow and SOFT.


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Take Prust out of the ice. Let's say he's not on the ice at this point. Who do you think goes and challenge Finley in his next shift? I can only think of one guy.
hypothetical scenarios are fun... ok, here's one -> I'm a billionnaire, I have villas in pretty much every big cities in the world on top of a chalet dans l'nord, and I buy/pay every single fighter in the NHL to join my new league, BET (Bullies En Tutu).

sounds fun don't you think ?

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The Habs don't need a bruiser on the team...

We'll need 4 lines in the playoffs, and the more who will contribute with goals, the better.

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03-15-2013, 01:07 PM
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because you would play Armstrong 11min a night if you were the coach? Armstrong would not even play on the colorado 4th line......... the guy is way to slow and SOFT.
He is playing those minutes. We're dealing with actual facts here. Not baseless speculation like claiming that Bordelau could play 11 minutes per game on the Montreal 4th line without the team getting any worse.

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03-15-2013, 01:09 PM
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The pacifists cherry pick information to support their claim that everything is fine and dandy with our team. Personally, I'm still on the fence vis-a-vis how good this team is. I think Toronto or Boston will slaughter us in the playoffs. Not by fighting, but wearing us down, and intimidating our players.
So pacifists use examples to back up their claims whereas, without any evidence whatsoever you attribute magical powers to the enforcer that make every single player on his team better and every single player on the opposing team worse. Those sneaky pacifists and their facts.

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03-15-2013, 01:11 PM
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He is playing those minutes. We're dealing with actual facts here. Not baseless speculation like claiming that Bordelau could play 11 minutes per game on the Montreal 4th line without the team getting any worse.
Yeah he play them and he suck. If you watched Bordeleau play, you would know that he can do what Armstrong does except on the pk.

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03-15-2013, 01:12 PM
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We'll need 4 lines in the playoffs, and the more who will contribute with goals, the better.
Agree. Armstrong is a big part of our offense with 0 GOALS

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Those sneaky pacifists and their facts.
I've played competitive hockey on teams that were tough and soft. When tough, we played better. When soft, we'd even joke - nervously - about this or that team. It f's with your mind and your game. Is this really so hard to understand? Can anyone who has played Junior, on a soft team, claim this isn't true?

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Agree. Armstrong is a big part of our offense with 0 GOALS
Fourth liners can contribute by eating tough minutes against the opposition's top lines. They don't need to score to contribute, they only need to avoid being scored against, ideally by not being bottled up in their own zone. This allows the other three lines to play more minutes against the other team's depth players. For instance, one of the reasons that Plekanec has been so much more productive this year is that he's not stuck taking defensive zone faceoffs against the other team's top line as much.

If one-dimensional enforcers are played for too many minutes... well, you're the Toronto Maple Leafs. And I was going to make a comment about goons mostly sitting in the press box come playoff time, but Toronto probably won't have to worry about that.

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I've played competitive hockey on teams that were tough and soft. When tough, we played better. When soft, we'd even joke - nervously - about this or that team. It f's with your mind and your game. Is this really so hard to understand? Can anyone who has played Junior, on a soft team, claim this isn't true?
100% true

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I've played competitive hockey on teams that were tough and soft. When tough, we played better. When soft, we'd even joke - nervously - about this or that team. It f's with your mind and your game. Is this really so hard to understand? Can anyone who has played Junior, on a soft team, claim this isn't true?
I don't think that anyone here really thinks that we shouldn't have team toughness... it's just that ideally you need to have tough players who can also play hockey. Prust may not be a heavyweight, but no one would deny that he's improved team toughness. It's maddening, but one of the reasons that the Bruins are so good is that most of their tough players also contribute in other ways (the exception being Thornton, who is atrocious).

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