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03-16-2013, 01:00 AM
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Seeing as both teams have the missing parts the others need, and both fanbases tend to offer the same guys in every proposal... how about:

To NYR

Bozak
Macarthur
Grabovski
Gardiner
Kommisarek


To Leafs

Boyle
Gaborik
Pyatt
Richards
Rights to Zuccarello

A few bad contracts on each side, gives the Rangers some depth, a promising young D and some cap room, gives the Leafs an actual centre and a legit scoring threat for the 2nd line and rights to a fancy winger. Maybe its just too many pieces to move at once?

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When's the last time a 5 for 5 trade happened?

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03-16-2013, 01:07 AM
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Take a good long look at the most important parts from each side:

Toronto:
Grabovski
Gardiner
(Bozak, MacArthur spare parts, Komi is a giveaway)

NYR:
Richards
Gaborik
(Pyatt, Zuccarello spart parts, dont know how NYR fans feel about Boyle)

When you see a deal like this, you only need to look at the top 2-to-2 to see that this is an absolute robery for the Leafs. We get the two best players...

No though went into this deal

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03-16-2013, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by wunderpanda View Post
Seeing as both teams have the missing parts the others need, and both fanbases tend to offer the same guys in every proposal... how about:

To NYR

Bozak
Macarthur
Grabovski
Gardiner
Kommisarek


To Leafs

Boyle
Gaborik
Pyatt
Richards
Rights to Zuccarello

A few bad contracts on each side, gives the Rangers some depth, a promising young D and some cap room, gives the Leafs an actual centre and a legit scoring threat for the 2nd line and rights to a fancy winger. Maybe its just too many pieces to move at once?


This is terrible for NY.

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03-16-2013, 01:13 AM
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Take a good long look at the most important parts from each side:

Toronto:
Grabovski
Gardiner

NYR:
Richards
Gaborik


When you see a deal like this, you only need to look at the top 2-to-2 to see that this is an absolute robery for the Leafs. We get the two best players...

No though went into this deal
Agreed, if you take out Gaborik and the Leafs add a first, maybe.
The Rangers would still not do it. With the new CBA, they can't risk a huge cap hit if Richards decides to retire before his contract expires.
Yes the Rangers get stuck with the caphit eventhough he is traded.

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03-16-2013, 01:13 AM
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I'm sure everyone will say that this proposal is awful.

They will be correct.

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03-16-2013, 01:14 AM
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Agreed, if you take out Gaborik and the Leafs add a first, maybe.
The Rangers would still not do it. With the new CBA, they can't risk a huge cap hit if Richards decides to retire before his contract expires.
Yes the Rangers get stuck with the caphit eventhough he is traded.
Lol keep that contract. Please.

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Agreed, if you take out Gaborik and the Leafs add a first, maybe.
The Rangers would still not do it. With the new CBA, they can't risk a huge cap hit if Richards decides to retire before his contract expires.
Yes the Rangers get stuck with the caphit eventhough he is traded.
Yeah, but the Leafs wouldn't. Look from both angles...

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03-16-2013, 01:18 AM
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QUOTE=Kwayry;61748365]Agreed, if you take out Gaborik and the Leafs add a first, maybe.
The Rangers would still not do it.
With the new CBA, they can't risk a huge cap hit if Richards decides to retire before his contract expires.
Yes the Rangers get stuck with the caphit eventhough he is traded.[/QUOTE]

hah thats freakin hilarious

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03-16-2013, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE=Kwayry;61748365]Agreed, if you take out Gaborik and the Leafs add a first, maybe.
The Rangers would still not do it.
With the new CBA, they can't risk a huge cap hit if Richards decides to retire before his contract expires.
Yes the Rangers get stuck with the caphit eventhough he is traded.
hah thats freakin hilarious[/QUOTE]

The punch line is what's not bolded

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Both teams would chalk up that proposal to a few too many drinks at the GM meetings.

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hah thats freakin hilarious
The punch line is what's not bolded[/QUOTE]

if/when richards retires, you'd still be stuck with the caphit whether you trade him or not, so lets forget about the caphhit for a second

would you rather have an aging richards or a prime gardiner +grabo+ whoever the first rounder turns into?(considering bozak+mac=pyatt+boyle)

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03-16-2013, 01:47 AM
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if/when richards retires, you'd still be stuck with the caphit whether you trade him or not, so lets forget about the caphhit for a second

would you rather have an aging richards or a prime gardiner +grabo+ whoever the first rounder turns into?(considering bozak+mac=pyatt+boyle)
Let's not
If Richards retires in the off season of 2017 before the three $1M annual salary years begin.
Rangers are hit with a $17M cap penalty. $5,666.667 for 3 years. for a player that is not on a roster. Say we trade for #1 center at average salary of 6M, his actually cost is 11.66 M.
Given the current roster, with so many RFA's coming up this offseason and next + Hank in 2014. They don't have that luxury
That maybe worth for some players, but certainly not forGardiner + Grabo + a lottery ticket.
Rangers would rather buy him out in 2014 than risk him retiring before his contract expires, traded or not.
You can have him for free then.

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03-16-2013, 01:59 AM
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fair enough, i see what you're getting at
leafs would never do that deal but i get why nyr wouldnt be interested either

cheers

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03-16-2013, 02:02 AM
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leaf fan that wants nothing to do with Richards/his contract, and would rather keep our own guys. Not worth it at all from a Leafs perspective, it is the same thing that was discussed in the Thornton thread not too long ago, he is aging and on the decline whether anyone likes it or not. Its natural and part of every player's career before they retire. Why would leafs risk trading an asset in his prime (grabo) and a young stud d-man who hasnt even show his true potential yet (Gards) + a 1st for a couple years of service in Richards. Just no. We are in no position to do this trade at the moment. Neither team does this as I'm sure Rangers want to keep him and make a potential cup run if everything clicks.

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I don't see what entices the Rangers to do this. Simply put, it doesn't improve their roster.

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Lol the fact that both Gaborik and Richards are in this deal heading to the Maple Leafs and the best part coming back from Toronto is Jake Gardiner, AND Mike Komisarek is included into the deal.....

I'd have to think that if you're going to make a deal like this, Phil Kessel might have to be included and Komisarek may have to be removed

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03-16-2013, 07:12 AM
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Take a good long look at the most important parts from each side:

Toronto:
Grabovski
Gardiner
(Bozak, MacArthur spare parts, Komi is a giveaway)

NYR:
Richards
Gaborik
(Pyatt, Zuccarello spart parts, dont know how NYR fans feel about Boyle)

When you see a deal like this, you only need to look at the top 2-to-2 to see that this is an absolute robery for the Leafs. We get the two best players...

No though went into this deal
Actually, I thought about it from both sides after reading through other trade proposals which included one or the other of these teams.

My thinking for the Rangers was this; Gaborik is being used either on the 3rd line or left side, ineffective this year and making 7.5 thru next season. Boyle and Prust also have a season left but are not going to get any better. They are bottom of the line up guys that play too many minutes due to a lack of depth. Richards has an ugly contract and is underperforming. Zuccarello is a small guy that seems contrary to Tortorella systems.

They would benefit because Bozak and Macarthur are both expiring but more effective for the roles the Rangers need filled this season. Grabovski is signed thru 16/17 and would make a good 2nd line centre with Stepan on the top line. Kommisarek is a right handed D with a year left and would be an upgrade over Bickel and Hamrlik and Gardiner is another young D to add to their corps and could give them flexibility when they start needing to resign del Zotto, McD, Staal and Girardi. It would open up cap space, give them depth and a good young centre for the next few years.

My thinking for the Leafs is that they have good prospects ready to move up already. Richards could be a good fit with Kessel as he hasn't had a real centre to play with. Kadri and Gaborik could be a good second pairing. Pyatt and Boyle could be parked on the 4th line with Orr and have a year left on their deals.

Moving Gardiner and Kommisarek opens a spot for Reilly next season, and they have 2 less UFA to worry about for the bottom lines. Zuccarello might get more of an opportunity in Toronto and they gain stability in the top 6. After next season, Gaborik, Boyle and Pyatt would be UFA but the Leafs would have people ready to move up by then.

However, I didn't know the particulars of the Richards deal and CBA that will haunt the Rangers for years.


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What is this. I don't even.

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Take a good long look at the most important parts from each side:

Toronto:
Grabovski
Gardiner
(Bozak, MacArthur spare parts, Komi is a giveaway)

NYR:
Richards
Gaborik
(Pyatt, Zuccarello spart parts, dont know how NYR fans feel about Boyle)

When you see a deal like this, you only need to look at the top 2-to-2 to see that this is an absolute robery for the Leafs. We get the two best players...

No though went into this deal
thats actually not to bad.. Tor adds a first and i think it could work..
or..

Gardiner
Kessel
Komi
1st

for
Richards
Gaborik
Pyatt/prospect (Jean/St. Croix)
3rd

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Oh I get it now, the Rangers suddenly decided that they did not like their team so they are trading most of it to Toronto for spare parts and Gardiner

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