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03-15-2013, 06:55 PM
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Max for Smid should be 4 mil/season. Anything more and he becomes a burden on the cap got what he brings.

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03-15-2013, 07:24 PM
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I don't go over 4mil for Smid and that is over paying him .5mil at least maybe even a bit more than that. You can't pay too much money on a dman that has no offense. Any player that can't be signed has to be moved for an asset, these assets can be used in a trade to get players that we need.

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Does OEL's new contract come into play or are they two different players at different stages of their careers?

I would be ok with a 4x4 deal for ol' Smidmark taking the OEL contract into consideration, sound fair?

Smid does have....... "intangibles" no?

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03-16-2013, 10:56 AM
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Does OEL's new contract come into play or are they two different players at different stages of their careers?

I would be ok with a 4x4 deal for ol' Smidmark taking the OEL contract into consideration, sound fair?

Smid does have....... "intangibles" no?
rfas are not comparables for ufas.


ufas who got 5.5: wiz, wideman, carle.


OEL is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all of them.

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03-16-2013, 11:11 AM
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Max for Smid should be 4 mil/season. Anything more and he becomes a burden on the cap got what he brings.
I could live with a little more for a shorter term...2 years max. See how he does and go from there...he's 27 and just getting to his prime years and seems to be turning into a player now that he knows his role.

Hard to replace what he brings as the Oilers are never going to get equal value back in a trade.

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03-16-2013, 11:14 AM
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there is 0 chance he signs for fewer than 4 years.

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03-16-2013, 11:16 AM
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there is 0 chance he signs for fewer than 4 years.
I'd like to see 4 years at 3.5M per, I think thats fair market value for a defensive d man. If he wants more he can take a hike.

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03-16-2013, 11:35 AM
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I'd like to see 4 years at 3.5M per, I think thats fair market value for a defensive d man. If he wants more he can take a hike.
That would be ideal, but I think you will probably have to give him 1 or 2 more years to get that hit number

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03-16-2013, 11:49 AM
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I'd like to see a real shutdown D signed. Smid is a poor mans shut down D with a history of being on losing Oiler teams who would be no higher than a #5 on a top team. Why pay top 2-3 money for a 5-6 D. Loyalty has no place in the discussion, you either build a winner or become the New York Islanders. Pick one.

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03-16-2013, 11:51 AM
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I'd like to see a real shutdown D signed. Smid is a poor mans shut down D with a history of being on losing Oiler teams who would be no higher than a #5 on a top team. Why pay top 2-3 money for a 5-6 D. Loyalty has no place in the discussion, you either build a winner or become the New York Islanders. Pick one.
If you can get him signed for the same type of cash N.Schultz is making you do it. Then you move Schultz out who has been beyond useless here.

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03-16-2013, 11:54 AM
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He's worth 5-6 money not a nickel more. I agree Nick Schultz is out of his element here. The Oilers aren't going anywhere with this pathetic D corps we have, save JS.

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03-16-2013, 11:56 AM
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He's worth 5-6 money not a nickel more. I agree Nick Schultz is out of his element here. The Oilers aren't going anywhere with this pathetic D corps we have, save JS.
The lack of depth is the biggest problem, Corey Potter playing regular or Smid and Petry playing well over 20 mins a night, one or two more competent defenders to spread out the minutes would make a huge difference.

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03-16-2013, 12:01 PM
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The lack of depth is the biggest problem, Corey Potter playing regular or Smid and Petry playing well over 20 mins a night, one or two more competent defenders to spread out the minutes would make a huge difference.
Exactly. That would drive Smid to the 5 spot where he would excel. As a 2-3 guy he's way out of his element no different than Horcoff was at the 1 spot C. So why pay 2-3 money for a number 5 D? Don't overpay like we have in the past, save the money for the kids and draft/trade/sign on the D side now. Oh, and get a reliable goalie. Bernier would be a great fit here.

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Exactly. That would drive Smid to the 5 spot where he would excel. As a 2-3 guy he's way out of his element no different than Horcoff was at the 1 spot C. So why pay 2-3 money for a number 5 D? Don't overpay like we have in the past, save the money for the kids and draft/trade/sign on the D side now. Oh, and get a reliable goalie. Bernier would be a great fit here.
what? Ugh with you people.

Smid can play in the top-4 Just Fine, he's just not a top-pairing guy, which isn't his fault.

Nick Schultz in the #5 spot is the ideal place for him, that would give much more stability to the defense corps, but the problem is bringing in that top-4 guy to replace him, yet to have been done yet.

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03-16-2013, 12:12 PM
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Smids a 5 who can play at the 4 spot but not continently nor over the long haul. Unlike the Smid apologists I won't give him a free pass just because he has been here a long time. He's also part of the losing culture here. Watch the live play of the 4-5 d men in the league (not TV hilights) and you see very quickly the difference. Smid gets a free pass here in this town because he is a hard working player, and I give him that. But he's not a 2-3. Hs a 5 and sometimes 4.

Schultz is the same player as Smid. A 4-5.

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03-16-2013, 01:23 PM
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N.Schultz making the amount of money he is making to be a 3rd pairing dman is too much money. Keep Smid and Petry as the 2nd pairing and then we have to get someone to play with J.Schultz as the top pairing. This is what we have for next year and what we have to fill to be a contending team.
top pairing dman; J.Schultz
Smid; Petry
Fistric; 3rd pairing dman that can move puck
Potter

So, who are the two dmen we go after. I am thinking sign Smid for 3.5mil and then Boychuk from BOS to play with Schultz.

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03-16-2013, 01:33 PM
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Smids a 5 who can play at the 4 spot but not continently nor over the long haul. Unlike the Smid apologists I won't give him a free pass just because he has been here a long time. He's also part of the losing culture here. Watch the live play of the 4-5 d men in the league (not TV hilights) and you see very quickly the difference. Smid gets a free pass here in this town because he is a hard working player, and I give him that. But he's not a 2-3. Hs a 5 and sometimes 4.

Schultz is the same player as Smid. A 4-5.
No, they really aren't. They play "similar" games, but they aren't the same player, wow.

Edit: Fair enough, enjoy the Grinding.

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Schultz is the same player as Smid.
All credibility lost right there.

Smid last year: hits 186, blocks 184, +4

This year: hits 83, blocks 76, -3

Schultz last year: hits 83, blocks 165, -12

This year: hits 31, blocks 66, -12

One guy plays like a mean SOB in front of the net, the other a quiet game you don't notice. I'll take the guy trying to make an impact every shift. Smid is a solid shutdown guy. Schultz is a Kreuger type of guy, simply plays not to make a mistake (which sees possession die on his stick more often than not).

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03-16-2013, 01:44 PM
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I just can't help but think that Smid is at an interesting point in this development and I'd really like to see another year out of him before I commit, or don't commit to him long term.

He's been a bit of late bloomer in the sense of figuring out his role and has been a big team guy and a warrior as of late and I'd really hate to let him go right now if I don't have to.

I'd ask him what it would take to get a one year contract signed and see if I can make it work.

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N.Schultz making the amount of money he is making to be a 3rd pairing dman is too much money. Keep Smid and Petry as the 2nd pairing and then we have to get someone to play with J.Schultz as the top pairing. This is what we have for next year and what we have to fill to be a contending team.
top pairing dman; J.Schultz
Smid; Petry
Fistric; 3rd pairing dman that can move puck
Potter

So, who are the two dmen we go after. I am thinking sign Smid for 3.5mil and then Boychuk from BOS to play with Schultz.
Out Whitney and N.Schultz. In Streit and Scuderi.

Streit-Smid
Schultz-Scuderi
Petry-Fistric
Potter,UFA for depth

Thats a playoff caliber defence. If we can't get Streit one of Vishnovsky or Zidlicky would work as a replacement. #1 thing is we have to land Scuderi.

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Out Whitney and N.Schultz. In Streit and Scuderi.

Streit-Smid
Schultz-Scuderi
Petry-Fistric
Potter,UFA for depth

Thats a playoff caliber defence. If we can't get Streit one of Vishnovsky or Zidlicky would work as a replacement. #1 thing is we have to land Scuderi.
I like the idea, but I have no idea why Scuderi would choose us when he is sure to have a dozen suitors (do we want to discuss the merits of a bidding war for a 34 yr old stay-at-home guy when we can't decide what Smid is worth), has won 2 cups in the last 4 years (would choose a more competitive team than ours), is American born and 34 years old (could see his next contract be his last, NY born and raised so I say Rangers).

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I'm not a huge fan of Smid.

He's adequate, but he doesn't ever really separate players from the puck which prevents him from being a great shut-down dman.

I could go up to 4 but I wouldn't be happy about it. Ideally he comes in at around 3.5

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I'm not a huge fan of Smid.

He's adequate, but he doesn't ever really separate players from the puck which prevents him from being a great shut-down dman.

I could go up to 4 but I wouldn't be happy about it. Ideally he comes in at around 3.5
The cap is dropping by $5.9 M next year. This year it is $70.2 M prorated over the shorter season. Next year will be $64.3 M. Revenues have not bounced back like they did after 2004-05.

Offer him $3M/year over 3 years. He might get a little more, but no one will give him $4M/year in the new salary cap environment.

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The cap is dropping by $5.9 M next year. This year it is $70.2 M prorated over the shorter season. Next year will be $64.3 M. Revenues have not bounced back like they did after 2004-05.

Offer him $3M/year over 3 years. He might get a little more, but no one will give him $4M/year in the new salary cap environment.
MMhmm. With the cap dropping, I'll die if he gets more than 3.5.

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