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03-16-2013, 01:02 PM
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Let me try this again since my last post got shut down.

1)Coaching Staff: Keep Boucher (Ruff clearly not the answer) add Ulf Samuelsson to coach D

Trade:

2)Carle back to Philly for Grossmann...they need an offensive D and Tampa needs a shut down D

3)Brewer at trade line for a prospect and or draft pick...cap dump

4)Malone and a 3rd Rd pick to Pittsburgh for Letang...Pitt gets Malone back TB gets #1 offensive D

5)Signings:

Filppula...good speed and puck sense...token Red Wing player for SY
Ryder...goal scoring winger
Thompson...great 4th line center under GB coaching style
Garon...only goalie in GB system to consistently produce decent numbers/french/cheap
Miller...consistent worker and PKer
Smid-has been one of EDM most steady D over last few years
Kostka-logs a ton of min in TOR

Cory Conacher ($0.925m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Brett Connolly ($1.633m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Teddy Purcell ($4.500m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.500m) / Alexander Killorn ($0.875m) / Michael Ryder ($3.500m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Victor Hedman ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Sami Salo ($3.750m)
Ladislav Smid ($2.750m) / Mike Kostka ($1.500m)
Brian Lee ($1.150m) /
GOALTENDERS
Anders Lindback ($1.800m)
Mathieu Garon ($1.300m)


SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,479,773; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,670,227

The only other thing I would consider is a Vinny buyout and sign Derek Roy???

Is this closer??? or did I just shut down this post too???
1) Everyone knows my opinion on Bobby Boucher, I haven't kept it a secret

2) Phili wasn't willing to pay him what he wanted coming off a solid offensive year with them, what makes you think they'll take that salary coming off of a disappointing year with the cap going down?

3) Wouldn't mind if we get a decent pick or prospect

4) We are not getting Letang for that, lol

5) That is a lot of signings and it reminds me of the OK hockey days of signing a bunch of the lower tier players instead of signing something good.

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03-16-2013, 01:04 PM
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Carle back to Philly for Grossmann...they need an offensive D and Tampa needs a shut down D We need Carle more than we need Grossmann

Malone and a 3rd Rd pick to Pittsburgh for Letang...Pitt gets Malone back TB gets #1 offensive D No. Just...no. I would love to have Letang but we're not getting him, let alone for Malone and a 3rd.



The only other thing I would consider is a Vinny buyout and sign Derek Roy???
Again, just no.

And in response to most of your signing ideas it would be better to bring up forwards from Syracuse as if some of them stay there longer their development will stall.

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03-16-2013, 01:09 PM
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Let me try this again since my last post got shut down.
There are still several problems with your proposal.

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Coaching Staff: Keep Boucher (Ruff clearly not the answer) add Ulf Samuelsson to coach D
Ruff is not the answer as Cooper is waiting in the AHL. It's between Cooper or Boucher.

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Trade:

Carle back to Philly for Grossmann...they need an offensive D and Tampa needs a shut down D
They are looking for a defenseman, so they would not be interested in trading one of their defenseman. Also, they won't trade Grossmann for Carle when they let Carle walk.

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Malone and a 3rd Rd pick to Pittsburgh for Letang...Pitt gets Malone back TB gets #1 offensive D
Pittsburgh would not make this trade.

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Signings:

Filppula...good speed and puck sense...token Red Wing player for SY
Will be expensive and with the cap coming down, this is unlikely.
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Ryder...goal scoring winger
Thompson...great 4th line center under GB coaching style
Garon...only goalie in GB system to consistently produce decent numbers/french/cheap
Miller...consistent worker and PKer
Smid-has been one of EDM most steady D over last few years
Kostka-logs a ton of min in TOR
With the exception of Garon and Thompson, you assume that players like Ryder, Miller, Smid, and Kostka will be available in the summer for FA signings while they will most likely sign extensions to their contracts. Also Garon is an unlikely signing as Yzerman will want to put one of the AHL goaltenders as a backup so that Vasilevski/Janus will be available to play in the AHL.

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Cory Conacher ($0.925m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Brett Connolly ($1.633m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Teddy Purcell ($4.500m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.500m) / Alexander Killorn ($0.875m) / Michael Ryder ($3.500m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Victor Hedman ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Sami Salo ($3.750m)
Ladislav Smid ($2.750m) / Mike Kostka ($1.500m)
Brian Lee ($1.150m) /
GOALTENDERS
Anders Lindback ($1.800m)
Mathieu Garon ($1.300m)


SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,479,773; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,670,227
Just so you know rumors are that Filppula is asking for around 5 million.


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The only other thing I would consider is a Vinny buyout and sign Derek Roy???
Derek Roy is more likely to be traded at the deadline or sign an extension than reach the FA market. Also, why buy out Vinny, he eats big minutes and is producing well this season. This is one of his best seasons

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Is this closer??? or did I just shut down this post too???
This one is closer, but still needs improvement.

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03-16-2013, 01:13 PM
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Lee is making 1.1 per year and is a #6/7 D. Carle is making 5.5 and is expected to be a top 2 D. Which has disappointed more? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he paired with Pronger in Phili? Pronger came to Phili in 09-10 and that's when Carle had an offensive and +/- explosion. He also played with Pronger for more than half the year in 10-11 and had a career year. In 11-12 Pronger was injured and he had the typical Phili year, all offense and no defense. I hardly see enough individual success there to warrant 5.5 million dollars per year for over half a decade. If we were paying him 3 or 4 million then fine, but 5.5 is waaaaaay too much for what he brings to the table.
I don't care what Lees role or cost is, he doesn't have a track record of success and the same skillset as Carle. If you're actually serious about throwing him away after a half season, you might as well get rid of Vinny, St. Louis, Teddy, and others.

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Filppula would be a nice addition.

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Carle was signed to 6 years at 5.5 a year. We have him until 2017-18
Oh crap, my memory failed me.. He has to be one of the buy out candidates next year if he's current level of play continues. 5.5 is a lot for #4 but he's not even playing to that level.

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Filppula would be a nice addition.
Clowe and Lombardi would be interesting additions. Boyd Gordon would be another bottom four i'd consider.

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I don't care what Lees role or cost is, he doesn't have a track record of success and the same skillset as Carle. If you're actually serious about throwing him away after a half season, you might as well get rid of Vinny, St. Louis, Teddy, and others.
Dude, what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about getting rid of those three? Vinny and Marty are having one of the most productive years of their careers. Teddy looks paid and he is very soft but I wouldn't give him up, wouldn't mind if we traded him though.

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We should trade Teddy, absolutely. We have enough talent ready to come up to make him redundant. Remember early in the season when I said we should trade him? Yeah, not so crazy now, is it.

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We should trade Teddy, absolutely. We have enough talent ready to come up to make him redundant. Remember early in the season when I said we should trade him? Yeah, not so crazy now, is it.
You'll never trade him now. Need a team that would give him a 3rd chance to not be so lazy. I've always called him our version of Alexander Semin.

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Honestly now that I have sobered up and am at work. I would prefer to keep Carle, and move Lee. If next season Carle doesn't play well, then try to move him. Brewer has to go. It is mandatory now, I don't think anyone here can argue that. A great pipe dream would be going after Flip. He is exactly the type of player we need. Unfortunately 29 other teams are thinking the exact same thing. Maybe SFY can pull out some magic. Smid is a good target for D. Buying out Brewer or trading him would have to happen. Offensively if players can stay healthy would be sufficient enough to move forward. Lindback is finally looking to get comfortable in the last few games, so my confidence in him is starting to rise. I think the reason for the frustration among all of us arises from the fact we don't want to admit that we are in a rebuild. It was out of left field, none of us acknowledge it, and now I feel like we are the Calgary Flames of East Coast.

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You'll never trade him now. Need a team that would give him a 3rd chance to not be so lazy. I've always called him our version of Alexander Semin.
With less talent and likely just as bad at fighting


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We aren't trading Lee because he wouldn't get us much in a return. He's on a cheap salary for 1 more year and is a decent bottom pair player. I wouldn't trade Carle just yet either but if he doesn't turn it around i'd have to think about it next year. Lee we can just let walk after next year or waive him if he doesn't improve. Brewer has to go now, he's just terrible.


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With less talent and likely just as bad at fighting

I'm not sure what's more embarrassing, fighting like that or getting beat by a guy who fights like that?

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Dude, what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about getting rid of those three? Vinny and Marty are having one of the most productive years of their careers. Teddy looks paid and he is very soft but I wouldn't give him up, wouldn't mind if we traded him though.
Its basically the same thing you're saying. You're judging a guy based off a half season of games and you're ready to dump him. Its not smart.

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I would wait until the draft to make the moves.

Jones would fix the top 4 RD issue.

Monahan, Lindholm, Barkov etc would bring third line C.. maybe. Barkov at least. Monahan and Lindholm may need more seasoning.

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Let me try this again since my last post got shut down.

Coaching Staff: Keep Boucher (Ruff clearly not the answer) add Ulf Samuelsson to coach D

Trade:

Carle back to Philly for Grossmann...they need an offensive D and Tampa needs a shut down D

Brewer at trade line for a prospect and or draft pick...cap dump

Malone and a 3rd Rd pick to Pittsburgh for Letang...Pitt gets Malone back TB gets #1 offensive D

Signings:

Filppula...good speed and puck sense...token Red Wing player for SY
Ryder...goal scoring winger
Thompson...great 4th line center under GB coaching style
Garon...only goalie in GB system to consistently produce decent numbers/french/cheap
Miller...consistent worker and PKer
Smid-has been one of EDM most steady D over last few years
Kostka-logs a ton of min in TOR

Cory Conacher ($0.925m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Brett Connolly ($1.633m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Teddy Purcell ($4.500m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.500m) / Alexander Killorn ($0.875m) / Michael Ryder ($3.500m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Victor Hedman ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Sami Salo ($3.750m)
Ladislav Smid ($2.750m) / Mike Kostka ($1.500m)
Brian Lee ($1.150m) /
GOALTENDERS
Anders Lindback ($1.800m)
Mathieu Garon ($1.300m)


SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,479,773; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,670,227

The only other thing I would consider is a Vinny buyout and sign Derek Roy???

Is this closer??? or did I just shut down this post too???
This made my day

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Let me try this again since my last post got shut down.

Coaching Staff: Keep Boucher (Ruff clearly not the answer) add Ulf Samuelsson to coach D

Trade:

Carle back to Philly for Grossmann...they need an offensive D and Tampa needs a shut down D

Brewer at trade line for a prospect and or draft pick...cap dump

Malone and a 3rd Rd pick to Pittsburgh for Letang...Pitt gets Malone back TB gets #1 offensive D

Signings:

Filppula...good speed and puck sense...token Red Wing player for SY
Ryder...goal scoring winger
Thompson...great 4th line center under GB coaching style
Garon...only goalie in GB system to consistently produce decent numbers/french/cheap
Miller...consistent worker and PKer
Smid-has been one of EDM most steady D over last few years
Kostka-logs a ton of min in TOR

Cory Conacher ($0.925m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Brett Connolly ($1.633m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Teddy Purcell ($4.500m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.500m) / Alexander Killorn ($0.875m) / Michael Ryder ($3.500m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Victor Hedman ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Sami Salo ($3.750m)
Ladislav Smid ($2.750m) / Mike Kostka ($1.500m)
Brian Lee ($1.150m) /
GOALTENDERS
Anders Lindback ($1.800m)
Mathieu Garon ($1.300m)


SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,479,773; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,670,227

The only other thing I would consider is a Vinny buyout and sign Derek Roy???

Is this closer??? or did I just shut down this post too???
Most things are already said about your proposal, but can you please explain me, why you don't want any of our D prospects in Tampa? I think Gudas and Barbs have nothing more to prove in the AHL and should be in the NHL next season. So I doubt we sign more than one D, and thats even only happening, if SY trades Brewer and/or Lee. And even this guy won't be a top defender. More like a rental and try to land a big name in 2014, when Salo will most likely retire.
And I think a D core of:
Hedman-Salo
Carle-Gudas
Aulie-Barbs/FA
FA/ BArbs, Korobov/Taormina/Mikkelson

is pretty solid, if they play upt o their abilitiy.

Then try to land a big UFA D in 2014 (if we don't draft Jones). Available COULD be:
Hjalmarsson
Meszaros
Bouwmeester
Markov
Orpik
Seidenberg
Niskanen
Emelin

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I'm not sure what's more embarrassing, fighting like that or getting beat by a guy who fights like that?
Probably the low point of both their careers, for entirely different reasons

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Its basically the same thing you're saying. You're judging a guy based off a half season of games and you're ready to dump him. Its not smart.
I want to get rid of him because I don't think he's worth 5.5 million per year with the cap going down next year.

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I want to get rid of him because I don't think he's worth 5.5 million per year with the cap going down next year.
Carle isn't going anywhere, you don't sign him to that contract and one year latter ask for a mulligan. It doesn't work that way, and if he was paired with a solid defensive guy he would be quite good.

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Carle isn't going anywhere, you don't sign him to that contract and one year latter ask for a mulligan. It doesn't work that way, and if he was paired with a solid defensive guy he would be quite good.
That may be the worst argument for giving someone a big contract ever

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What argument He is already signed, I never said they should of done it ???

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What argument He is already signed, I never said they should of done it ???
You know what I mean. Saying that if he had a good partner he might look good? That's ridiculous. A guy making 5.5 million needs to be able to do something on his own.

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You know what I mean. Saying that if he had a good partner he might look good? That's ridiculous. A guy making 5.5 million needs to be able to do something on his own.
He shouldn't be but he is so if you pair him with a defensive guy you can best utilize his talents. Is that better ?

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