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03-17-2013, 12:19 AM
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This will go well.

It has been an absolute joy and honor to watch the guy play from the first moment he took the ice his rookie year.

He does everything asked of him and more. He's gifted offensively and works just as
hard at defense. He has all the flash in the world but never rubs the other team's face in it.


He is what every athlete should strive to be. Is He at the level if Crosby and malkin? Nope,but that is fine. Very few are. What He is and was is the perfect guy to have been here when Yzerman called it a career.

Call him overrated all you want. I'll take him for what he is along with his two cups,a decades worth of jaw dropping highlights, and a shining example of an athlete that gives a ****. He has truly been datsyukian.

Thanks for everything, Pavs!

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03-17-2013, 12:20 AM
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Who discusses points when talking about Datsyuk? What a pointless argument. The guy's two way play is probably some of the best.... ever. Stop jumping on stat websites and start enjoying every second he plays. When he retires, we might not have another player like him for a long long time.
The fact this is coming from a Pens fan makes it even more awesome. I like every bit of this post.

Except for the part about retiring, I wish he never would.

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03-17-2013, 12:20 AM
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What can you say, he's the best 2-way forward of his era.

It's how he does it too. He just thinks the game differently and makes plays (offensively and defensively) that most guys wouldn't even think to do.

A lot of fun to watch and Detroit is going to be in serious trouble when he's gone.

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03-17-2013, 12:21 AM
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Kadri: 27 points in 29 games
Datsyuk: 30 points in 28 games

Can you count?
*not counting tonight.

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03-17-2013, 12:21 AM
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Crosbys defensive game isnt even in the same universe as Pavels.

I will even say that Datsyuk defensive game is better than Fedorovs, and Fedorov was one of the best 2 way players of the 90s.
Datsyuk's offensive game isn't even in the same universe as Crosby's.

I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say.

As a side-note, Datsyuk isn't as good defensively as Fedorov. He might have the flashy takeaway statistics. But Fedorov could eliminate elite scorers from the game. Datsyuk has never been at that level. In fact, Datsyuk tends to not be matched-up against the opponent's best forward. That is usually Zetterberg's job.

This is why I consider it a great injustice that Zetterberg has 0 Selke Trophies and Datsyuk has multiple Selke Trophies. In my opinion, Zetterberg has always been the better defensive forward.

Zetterberg may not have the takeaway statistics that grab the attention of the hockey writers who vote for the Selke. But if you watch the game, which alot of these writers don't, then you would see that Zetterberg has a far greater impact on neutralizing the opponent's offense.

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03-17-2013, 12:22 AM
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Does anyone else feel like he's actually improved this year? I mean he's always been so responsible, but he's carrying the offense playing with Abdelkader and still playing as great of a defensive game as he ever has before.
I don't know if its improvement, but given the Wings lack of talent (relative to years past), and the fact that he's played every game this year with either one or both of Abdelkader and Cleary (who are both having bad years even by their standards), he's had many more shifts per game this year where he simply dominates everyone and everything on the ice.

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03-17-2013, 12:23 AM
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Who discusses points when talking about Datsyuk? What a pointless argument. The guy's two way play is probably some of the best.... ever. Stop jumping on stat websites and start enjoying every second he plays. When he retires, we might not have another player like him for a long long time.
People can argue about whose best.

But for me, the #1 reason I tune into a Red Wings game is to see what he'll do. Nobody plays like him. Some players show his flashes of creativity. But he's ridiculous on a routine level.

And when you add in his tenacity on defense... it makes all the magic even more special

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03-17-2013, 12:24 AM
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Is this the HNIC panel ?

Datsyuk's name was mentioned 24 times in the third period.

Nasim Kadri has more points then him so this thread is asinine
Counting is important in life... Check the stats again. But kadri does have more points than the Sedins lol.

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03-17-2013, 12:24 AM
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*not counting tonight.

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Even before tonight you were wrong.

Kadri: 25 points in 28 games
Datsyuk: 27 points in 27 games

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03-17-2013, 12:25 AM
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Nobody will argue his 2 way ability. I have him #4 overall in the top players in the league. Crosby/Geno/Stamkos/Datsyuk. They are on that top tier that few players get to.

That type of hockey makes up for what he doesn't get in point production (like Stammer does). He's a treat to watch.
Pretty hard to argue with that top 4.

Still some seriously question if he will get into the HHOF because of a lack of numbers.

He just put on a clinic tonight in Vancouver and was clearly the best player on the ice by quite a bit.

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*not counting tonight.

Still
not counting tonight, kadri had 25 pts in 28 games and datsyuk had 27 pts in 27 games

oops

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People can argue about whose best.

But for me, the #1 reason I tune into a Red Wings game is to see what he'll do. Nobody plays like him. Some players show his flashes of creativity. But he's ridiculous on a routine level.
And when you add in his tenacity on defense... it makes all the magic even more special
I literally tune into every Red Wings game when I can to do exactly this.

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*not counting tonight.

Still
Before counting tonight Datsyuk had 27 and Kadri had 25...

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Datsyuk's offensive game isn't even in the same universe as Crosby's.

I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say.
I disagree. Crosby is better offensively but the gap isnt as big as you think. Sid plays on a fast transitional offensive team and gets every chance in offensive situations. pavel spends just as much time on the PK and shutting down top lines as he does in offensive situations. If Pavel ever played in a more offensive system, he would have a couple Art Ross trophies by now.

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Pretty hard to argue with that top 4.

Still some seriously question if he will get into the HHOF because of a lack of numbers.

He just put on a clinic tonight in Vancouver and was clearly the best player on the ice by quite a bit.
If Datsyuk doesn't get in then they just may as well change the name to the Hockey Statistics Hall of Fame

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03-17-2013, 12:29 AM
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Have we forgotten about Malkin already? Jeez folks he might even be back tomorrow!

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Does anyone else feel like he's actually improved this year? I mean he's always been so responsible, but he's carrying the offense playing with Abdelkader and still playing as great of a defensive game as he ever has before.
It's true great players make the players around them better.

For his career in total, from 02-13 he is 8th in points but really with his 2 way play, he has had the best 12 year "career of any player on this list.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...rder_by=points

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I disagree. Crosby is better offensively but the gap isnt as big as you think. Sid plays on a fast transitional offensive team and gets every chance in offensive situations. pavel spends just as much time on the PK and shutting down top lines as he does in offensive situations. If Pavel ever played in a more offensive system, he would have a couple Art Ross trophies by now.
I love Pavs but Sids offense is on another level than anyone in this league. Every Datsyuk thread ends in these silly aarguments about Crosby.

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Wow, just went to the Canucks game tonight and I have to agree with this statement. If I tried to explain in one word why he is the best in the world, it would probably have to be anticipation. He seems to be able to predict what a skater with the puck will do, and then he is able to quickly stick check and take the puck away with ease. Most other top two-way players I can think of use their body more to separate a player with the puck, which is less efficient and effective.

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advanced stats has no room in hockey
Why not? Because it doesn't back up what you believe?

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Have we forgotten about Malkin already? Jeez folks he might even be back tomorrow!
Malkin as the best two way player in the world? Is that what you're saying?

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Someone posted advanced stats a few days ago. Bergeron was a step above.

I also feel that Zetterberg is a better player this year.

Federov peaked higher than all but two forwards post Gretzky. 120+ points, Hart and Selke.
I don't want to flame or anything, but I don't think you've seen a lot of Wings games this year. Datsyuk is clearly the best player on the team.

Also like someone else said, advanced stats aren't worth anything. Just watch them play.

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Have we forgotten about Malkin already? Jeez folks he might even be back tomorrow!
Um

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Malkin as the best two way player in the world? Is that what you're saying?
Read the title as "Dats is the 2nd best player in the world", my bad!!

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Pretty hard to argue with that top 4.

Still some seriously question if he will get into the HHOF because of a lack of numbers.

He just put on a clinic tonight in Vancouver and was clearly the best player on the ice by quite a bit.
What a travesty that would be. He better get in. He even transcended doing these amazing moves during actual NHL games. There is just so much he has done. He's an instant HOF player, in my opinion.

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