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03-17-2013, 01:56 AM
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I think you are reading way too much into a single interview. And, what is Platter supposed to day? That he doesn't mind losing?

The bolded is just pure conjecture/speculation.



Ultimately, this is where my logic is trending.

I may think that DW has done a great job bringing in the players, and that it is Tmac who is at fault...but Tmac only has his job because of DW.
It's hope more than anything but yes it is not fact. However, in general, the guys that are involved with the things that Plattner's involved in have that highly competitive ego that do not handle losing by staying mostly stagnant.

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03-17-2013, 01:56 AM
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The problem is DW makes lots of dumb little trades, but also makes some of the best trades in the league over and over again. Thornton, Boyle, Heatley, Burns...

I'm 100% sure that's why he's still around.
That and the team has never missed the playoffs with him as GM, not including when he started mid-season whilst they sucked.

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03-17-2013, 02:03 AM
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If no one is willing to pay more than a 2nd-round pick for Kiprusoff, what is he supposed to do?

Kiprusoff had come in and played terribly for San Jose. Toskala had played very well, and Nabokov was obviously the goalie that the team had won a lot of games with. Plus, you factor in Kiprusoff laziness, and you can see that DW made the right decision.
Absolutely. Kipper had a chance to show what he could do early that season before he blew it ... easy decision at the time.

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I think it's hyperbole to say tmac rode the talent to success. Conversely you could say that he got the best out of them. But in game I think he can't make adjustments because he supposedly has prepared for everything. Whatever strategy was in play at puck drop has the best chance of success to him, so he juggles lines.

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McLellan's the winningest coach in franchise history. He's earned the right to at least finish out the season. If you still want his head in June, fine. Fire him then.
Many of us called for his head last year and were told the same thing, this is like deja vu, he needs to go.


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The way I see it, he was handed a loaded team and that loaded team took him to a President's Trophy and the conf finals vs. the Hawks. The last two full seasons, and this season, we have seen how McLellan's failure as a head coach (namely in-game and game-to-game strategic adjustments) have hurt this team. In 10-11, the team was still talented enough to get to the conf finals in spite of this flaw of McLellan. In 11-12 the team dropped off and then McLellan's ineptness only got them to a quick 1st round exit. In 2013, remains to be seen but looks like a no playoffs or another quick exit if they make it.

When you look at all of that, you see that McLellan failed here. He was brought in to take the Sharks to the next level and IMHO, all he did was ride the team's talent until eventually his lack of strategic adjustments would do him in. I'd even concede that in 08-09, the team being loaded + the puck possession style he brought in was a great combo. In retrospect, 08-09 was the window for DW/TMac/Thornton Sharks. All the pieces (organizational and player personnel) were there and in sync. If the injuries and bad draw don't happen, who knows what could have happened.

But now TMac is not working, has not worked, and arguably the same applies to DW and others. Changes need to be made now. Not to save a run for the Cup (), but to move on with this team so they don't become the Flames 2.0.
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03-17-2013, 02:25 AM
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Both LA and Pittsburgh fired their head coaches at mid-season then when on to win the Cup. Of course I doubt that will happen with the Sharks but I see no reason not to fire TMac now. What will keeping him throughout the season and firing him in the offseason accomplish?

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Both LA and Pittsburgh fired their head coaches at mid-season then when on to win the Cup. Of course I doubt that will happen with the Sharks but I see no reason not to fire TMac now. What will keeping him throughout the season and firing him in the offseason accomplish?
So they can keep sucking and end up with a high pick?

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03-17-2013, 02:28 AM
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Maybe Hasso is waiting for the offseason to fire errrrbody


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So they can keep sucking and end up with a high pick?
They arent going to finish with a top 5 pick, they will be lucky if they finish with a top 10 pick.

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So they can keep sucking and end up with a high pick?
but but we're guaranteed the cup if he gets fired now

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They arent going to finish with a top 5 pick, they will be lucky if they finish with a top 10 pick.
They're only 5 points ahead of a top 5 pick selection with about 20 games to go. It's not unrealistic to think it's possible to finish that low.

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They're only 5 points ahead of a top 5 pick selection with about 20 games to go. It's not unrealistic to think it's possible to finish that low.
All it would take is one of Thornton/Marleau/Couture/Pavelski/Boyle to go down and we'd be in the basement.

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this is assuming DW doesn't trade our first at the deadline

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All it would take is one of Thornton/Marleau/Couture/Pavelski/Boyle to go down and we'd be in the basement.
If either Marleau or Couture go down, it's over as nobody else could score a goal and all another team would have to do is lock down the healthy one and they're done.

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If either Marleau or Couture go down, it's over as nobody else could score a goal and all another team would have to do is lock down the healthy one and they're done.
True. Thornton would have no one to pass too. Defenses would literally all just cover the one and nothing would ever happen.

Also, Marleau and Couture seem to be the two best top-6 forwards at controlled zone-entries, so one of them out would kill offense even more just from that.

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They're only 5 points ahead of a top 5 pick selection with about 20 games to go. It's not unrealistic to think it's possible to finish that low.
Teams like Columbus and the Islanders have been on nice little winning streaks. They will nosedive in the 2nd half like they always. Same as the Oilers. Colorado and Dallas look terrible.

San Jose will be right there with Calgary, Phoenix, Minnesota, Detroit and Nashville fighting for the last 3 playoff spots at the end of the season.

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Teams like Columbus and the Islanders have been on nice little winning streaks. They will nosedive in the 2nd half like they always. Same as the Oilers. Colorado and Dallas look terrible.

San Jose will be right there with Calgary, Phoenix, Minnesota, Detroit and Nashville fighting for the last 3 playoff spots at the end of the season.
Maybe so but it's actually possible for the Sharks to be worse than what they have been.

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can a mod add "to" to the thread title ... this is driving me nuts

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They arent going to finish with a top 5 pick, they will be lucky if they finish with a top 10 pick.
Doesnt have to be a top 5, the lower the better. Top 10 is better than a mid round pick.

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At least Todd was upset tonight. Hopefully he'll sit 3-4 guys that need to get a wake up call and play some other guys.

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At least Todd was upset tonight. Hopefully he'll sit 3-4 guys that need to get a wake up call and play some other guys.
I don't blame him..team looks like they've figured out a way to play that is best suited for them.....lose it all in one awful game.

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At least Todd was upset tonight. Hopefully he'll sit 3-4 guys that need to get a wake up call and play some other guys.
The problem is that it's going to be Braun sitting and Demers getting in which will only perpetuate the issues on the blue line. The forwards are a lost cause especially while Havlat sits and conceivably worse if Clowe's out.

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I buy the idea that Braun will be sat for Demers next game. He was horrible.

Unfortunately, to do that Todd will insist on reuniting the terrible Vlasic-Stuart pair, just so he can pair Demers with Murray, so Demers can look worse than he is, and then Todd will have justification for sitting him again.

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The problem is that it's going to be Braun sitting and Demers getting in which will only perpetuate the issues on the blue line. The forwards are a lost cause especially while Havlat sits and conceivably worse if Clowe's out.
And Burns almost has to stay at forward due to Havlat and Clowe both out. Havlat is the slowest healer ever.

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but but we're guaranteed the cup if he gets fired now

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