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Oilers' best line post 1995

View Poll Results: What's the best Oilers' line since 1995
Smyth - Weight - Guerin 110 76.92%
Hall - RNH - Eberle 14 9.79%
Moreau - Marchant - Grier 3 2.10%
Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky 16 11.19%
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03-15-2013, 08:55 AM
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Torres - Peca - Pisani in the 06 playoffs.
correct answer.

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03-15-2013, 10:50 AM
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The kids will be better, and it won't even be close.

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03-15-2013, 02:20 PM
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All of those lines are made of brick and mortar except one. That "glass box" of a line looks pretty, but will be expensive to build, will have significant downtime due to frequent breakage, and is a terrible insulator against the attack of harsh environments.

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03-15-2013, 02:56 PM
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Smyth-Weight-Guerin was one of the best lines in the NHL when Lowe splintered it.

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03-15-2013, 02:57 PM
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The kids will be better, and it won't even be close.
Weight was better than any of the kids at his peak. I doubt that any of them hit 90 or 100 points in a season.

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03-15-2013, 04:03 PM
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All of those lines are made of brick and mortar except one. That "glass box" of a line looks pretty, but will be expensive to build, will have significant downtime due to frequent breakage, and is a terrible insulator against the attack of harsh environments.
Ales Hemsky = brick and mortar?

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03-15-2013, 04:10 PM
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Ales Hemsky = brick and mortar?
Lone exception = Rule?

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03-16-2013, 12:25 AM
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Either the Weight line, or Horc - Hemsky - Smyth. And Horcoff's recent return just confirms that he and Hemsky should be handcuffed together and play on the same line until death does them part.

Edit: Also, I have much love for the criminally underrated Penner-Gagner-Hemsky line when all three were healthy and playing together.

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03-16-2013, 01:45 AM
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I voted for Smyth-Weight-Guerin (at least for the first 21 games of the 2000-01 season when they were still together). In the first 21 games of that season, these were the numbers they put up (thanks, Hockey-Reference.com!):

Weight: 21GP, 5G, 20A, 25P, +9
Guerin: 21GP, 12G, 10A, 22P, +11
Smyth: 21GP, 12G, 8A, 20P, +8

Extrapolated over an 82-game season, that would have been:

Weight: 82GP, 20G, 78A, 98P, +35
Guerin: 82GP, 47G, 39A, 86P, +43
Smyth: 82GP, 47G, 31A, 78P, +31

For a bit of context, at 98 points, Weight would have finished 3rd in NHL scoring behind only Jagr and Sakic (which would have been the best finish for an Oiler since Messier was 2nd in 1989-90). For those 21 games, Oiler fans remembered what it was like to have two 40-goal scorers for the first time since 1988-89 (Kurri with 44 goals in 76 games, Carson with 49 goals in 80). Their plus-minuses were also unbelievable.

It's true: the Smyth-Weight-Guerin line was curb-stomping almost everyone else in those first 21 games of the 2000-01 season.

Perhaps surprisingly, the Oilers' record was respectable, but it wasn't exactly awe-inspiring: 11 wins, 8 losses, 2 ties, and 0 overtime losses for 24 points in 21 games... a reminder that you need depth in all positions to really contend.*

* May or may not have any relevance to the Oilers' current team.

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03-16-2013, 02:06 AM
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I voted for Smyth-Weight-Guerin (at least for the first 21 games of the 2000-01 season when they were still together). In the first 21 games of that season, these were the numbers they put up (thanks, Hockey-Reference.com!):

Weight: 21GP, 5G, 20A, 25P, +9
Guerin: 21GP, 12G, 10A, 22P, +11
Smyth: 21GP, 12G, 8A, 20P, +8

Extrapolated over an 82-game season, that would have been:

Weight: 82GP, 20G, 78A, 98P, +35
Guerin: 82GP, 47G, 39A, 86P, +43
Smyth: 82GP, 47G, 31A, 78P, +31

For a bit of context, at 98 points, Weight would have finished 3rd in NHL scoring behind only Jagr and Sakic (which would have been the best finish for an Oiler since Messier was 2nd in 1989-90). For those 21 games, Oiler fans remembered what it was like to have two 40-goal scorers for the first time since 1988-89 (Kurri with 44 goals in 76 games, Carson with 49 goals in 80). Their plus-minuses were also unbelievable.

It's true: the Smyth-Weight-Guerin line was curb-stomping almost everyone else in those first 21 games of the 2000-01 season.

Perhaps surprisingly, the Oilers' record was respectable, but it wasn't exactly awe-inspiring: 11 wins, 8 losses, 2 ties, and 0 overtime losses for 24 points in 21 games... a reminder that you need depth in all positions to really contend.*

* May or may not have any relevance to the Oilers' current team.

First 25 games for the kids last year (first 2 months) was pretty close to that of Smyth-Weight-Guerin
RNH: 11 goals 16 assists 27 points
Eberle: 9 goals 17 assist 26 points
Hall: (22 games) 7 goals 11 assists 18 points

Over 82 games (79 for Hall)
RNH: 36G 53A 89P
Eberle: 30G 55A 85P
Hall: 25G 40A 65P

Funny how both RNH and Eberle saw their overall production drop. But both Eberle and Hall ended up with more goals than that. Hall did it in only 61 games too.

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03-16-2013, 04:22 AM
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No Smyth Comrie Carter option?

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03-16-2013, 05:18 AM
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All have there own Special places, but I'll go with the new Relivant one and say the "Kid Line."

Even though I've loved Paajarvi - Gagner - Yakupov this year aswell.

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03-16-2013, 05:58 AM
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Weight was better than any of the kids at his peak. I doubt that any of them hit 90 or 100 points in a season.
Dougie Weight was one of the last highly skilled Oilers, but he doesn't compare to the kids.
  • As a 20-year-old, Weight scored 30 points in 53 games. As a 20-year-old, Taylor Hall scored 53 points in in 61 games. As an 18 year old, RNH scored 52 points in 62 games.
  • As a 21-year-old, Weight scored 48 points. As a 21-year-old, Jordan Eberle scored 76 points. Both players played 78 games as 21-year-olds.
Quite safely, I'd wager that, barring significant injury, they will all be better players than Dougie Weight.

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Torres - Peca - Pisani in the 06 playoffs.
I voted for Smyth-Weight-Guerin but this is easily my second choice.

Imagine those 2 lines on the same team? I wonder what kind of team you could put together with the best post dynasty era lines 1 through 4...anyone?

Smyth - Weight - Guerin
Best 2nd line
Torres - Peca - Pisani
best 4th line


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I voted for Smyth-Weight-Guerin but this is easily my second choice.

Imagine those 2 lines on the same team? I wonder what kind of team you could put together with the best post dynasty era lines 1 through 4...anyone?

Smyth - Weight - Guerin
Best 2nd line
Torres - Peca - Pisani
best 4th line
Hm. This seems like more fun!

L1: Smyth-Weight-Guerin (00-01)
L2: Samsonov-Stoll-Hemsky (05-06)
L3: Murray-Marchant-Grier (00-01)
L4: Glencross-Brodziak-Stortini (07-08)

DP1: Pronger-Staios (05-06)
DP2: Niinimaa-Smith (01-02)
DP3: Bergeron-Ulanov (03-04)

G1: Joseph (97-98)
G2: Markkanen (05-06)

That's a whole lotta piss and vinegar right there.

edit to say: I had a lot of trouble not putting the pre-Samsonov line of Torres-Stoll-Pisani in the L2 slot, or the post-Samsonov line of Torres-Peca-Pisani in the L3 slot. But the Detroit-killing Hemsky goal in 06 sealed the latter and my childhood adoration of the MGM line sealed the former.

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It's really hard to argue against Smyth-Weight-Guerin, but the kids certainly have the potential to be better.
This exactly, i hope the current kids will end up a little better, but they arent yet.

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Either the Weight line, or Horc - Hemsky - Smyth. And Horcoff's recent return just confirms that he and Hemsky should be handcuffed together and play on the same line until death does them part.

Edit: Also, I have much love for the criminally underrated Penner-Gagner-Hemsky line when all three were healthy and playing together.
hated this line post 2010, once we had more than 2 offensive wingers, cogs should have been with those two, and gags with some combination of hall/mps/eberle

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Dougie Weight was one of the last highly skilled Oilers, but he doesn't compare to the kids.
  • As a 20-year-old, Weight scored 30 points in 53 games. As a 20-year-old, Taylor Hall scored 53 points in in 61 games. As an 18 year old, RNH scored 52 points in 62 games.
  • As a 21-year-old, Weight scored 48 points. As a 21-year-old, Jordan Eberle scored 76 points. Both players played 78 games as 21-year-olds.
Quite safely, I'd wager that, barring significant injury, they will all be better players than Dougie Weight.
I think you're selling Doug Weight pretty short. I would be pretty thrilled if RNH turned to have a career like Doug Weight's. Both longevity and peak.

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Thinking of really good second lines for this team is difficult. I think whatever unit gets the most tread together this year or next will emerge as the best option since '95.

Easy to fogert secondary scoring has always been an issue when the team that DOES have Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Gagner, Hemsky, and Yakupov seemingly sucks everywhere else.

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First 25 games for the kids last year (first 2 months) was pretty close to that of Smyth-Weight-Guerin
RNH: 11 goals 16 assists 27 points
Eberle: 9 goals 17 assist 26 points
Hall: (22 games) 7 goals 11 assists 18 points

Over 82 games (79 for Hall)
RNH: 36G 53A 89P
Eberle: 30G 55A 85P
Hall: 25G 40A 65P

Funny how both RNH and Eberle saw their overall production drop. But both Eberle and Hall ended up with more goals than that. Hall did it in only 61 games too.
Yeah, extrapolating is never going to give perfect results. It was entirely possible (probably even likely) that Smyth-Weight-Guerin would have cooled off as the season marched on. On the other hand, after the Guerin trade, each of their numbers still came fairly close to the extrapolation despite EV lines of Zholtok-Weight-Cleary and Smyth-Comrie-Carter. Weight still managed 90 points for 8th in the league, Smyth ended up with 70 points rather than 78, and Guerin had 85 points in 85 (yes, eighty-five) games, so who knows...

As for Hall-RNH-Eberle last season, you wouldn't have found an unhappy Oiler fan anywhere. For the first time in over half a decade (maybe more, depending on who you ask), it looked like we had a dominant first line ready for the future. This season has been disappointing so far, but all three have been pretty unlucky in finding the twine (7.2% spct for Hall, 7.5% for Eberle, and 3.3% for RNH). Their boxcars will probably look much better by the end of the season (which in Hall's case, would be totally jaw-dropping).

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smyth-weight-guerin for me hands down

then guerin gets traded that year for anson, fashionista, carter

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Weight was better than any of the kids at his peak. I doubt that any of them hit 90 or 100 points in a season.
Well, lets keep it in context. Weight's 104 pt season didn't even land him in the top 10, some chump named Lemieux had 161 to lead that year. His 90 pt season is probably a more realistic barometer, where he finished 8th in scoring, though every player in the top 10 had 89 pts or better (last year only 3 players eclipsed that mark). It's all relative to the era, and scoring is definitely down. Could one of the kids eventually place 8th or better in league scoring? I would say yes. That said, I voted for the SWG line, subject to change as the kid line develops. And Weight was by far my favorite post dynasty player.

Honourable mention goes to the Grier line just for the Grier factor. The guy had the luckiest 20 goal season(s) I think I have ever witnessed. Never seen a guy let so many weak wristers go, only to have them bank off 5 sets of skates and in. That, and the once a night scream like he'd been shot, followed by him skating to the bench with his shoulder dangling, followed by popping it back in and returning for the next shift. Maybe he was just a big fan of Lt. Riggs from Lethal Weapon.

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I think you're selling Doug Weight pretty short. I would be pretty thrilled if RNH turned to have a career like Doug Weight's. Both longevity and peak.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed Doug Weight as a player, but I just don't think that he compares in talent to any of the kids. You are right about Weights longevity--his 19 year career is an impressive feat, even if he did only played in more than 50 games in only 4 of the last 10 seasons that he played. Again, we will see how the kids hold up to injury in their respective careers. As for peak production, Weight broke 70 points in 6 of his 19 seasons. I think that is something that each of the kids will break. Eberle, at 22 has already surpassed the 70 point barrier once. Given a full season, at 21-year-old Taylor Hall's current pace, he'd have more than 70 points this season. And, despite his wrestling with the sophomore jinx, I'm unconcerned about RNH's ability to score points over the duration of his career either.

I don't think I'm under selling Weight, I just think that these kids we have are going to be amazing in the NHL for a long period of time, as I said, barring injury.

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Weight had a meteoric rise from a 20 year old to his 80-104 point prime. He, like many smaller guys in his era, were not pro-ready at 18-19 like our kids. It took till age 22-23 for these guys to really explode.

Weight's skills and abilities are on another level. The determination of Gagner, with the vision of RNH, slipperiness of Eberle, and the strength of Hall. Just amazing.

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