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03-17-2013, 11:38 AM
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straight up... NO way!

I would listen to something like:

TOR: Burns + Havlat + 1st
SJ: Kessel + Gunnarsson + Kulemin

bring up Gardiner in place of Gunnarsson, Havlat in place of Kessel, Burns instead of Holzer.

Havlat - Bozak - Lupul
JVR - Kadri - Frattin
MacA - Grabo - Komarov
McLaren - McClement -Orr

Phanuef - Burns
Gardiner - Holzer/Kostka
Fraser - Franson
CHange the Havlat+1st into Pavelski

Jvr - Pavelski - Lupul
MacA-Kadri - Frattin
Grabo - Bozak - Mcclement
Maclaren - Komarov - Orr

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03-17-2013, 11:42 AM
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What? He's playing on their 2nd line now, he usually plays 20+ mins on D
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

He plays 17:00 a night.

Rank TOI/gPlayer TeamPos GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW OT S S% TOI/G
1Dan BoyleSJSD254812-5144000547.423:30
2Marc-Edouard VlasicSJSD271451100000342.921:38
3Brad StuartSJSD27055121000029020:49
4Matt IrwinSJSD18437-443000401019:07
5Jason DemersSJSD9000-56000013018:26
6Justin BraunSJSD23033-44000026018:19
7Douglas MurraySJSD26022-924000010017:04
8Brent BurnsSJSD9235-3600001910.517:00
9Nick PetreckiSJSD10000000000011:58

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03-17-2013, 11:49 AM
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

He plays 17:00 a night.

Rank TOI/gPlayer TeamPos GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW OT S S% TOI/G
1Dan BoyleSJSD254812-5144000547.423:30
2Marc-Edouard VlasicSJSD271451100000342.921:38
3Brad StuartSJSD27055121000029020:49
4Matt IrwinSJSD18437-443000401019:07
5Jason DemersSJSD9000-56000013018:26
6Justin BraunSJSD23033-44000026018:19
7Douglas MurraySJSD26022-924000010017:04
8Brent BurnsSJSD9235-3600001910.517:00
9Nick PetreckiSJSD10000000000011:58
25:03 in 2010-2011
22:32 in 2011-2012

Those numbers are skewed due to the 2:03 he played before getting injured in the Stars game.
They are also skewed because he has been playing forward lately.

He's a 22+ min D when he's healthy.

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I'm sure they'll be bringing the KHL star over next year at all costs.

WTH happened to Mike Green?
They have a teriffic prospect pool, I would love to get some players out of it but again what do we deal to get them.

Green and that whole team, for whatever reason, has not played well, even Ovechkin has not played as well as he can and is a minus 7 in +-.

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03-17-2013, 11:52 AM
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I think that's the problem when dealing with Washington, they would probably want draft picks, they have depth at all positions, their web site shows they have used 30 players this year.

3 G, 11 D and 16 F, that's a lot of players but of course they can only have 23 on the roster, at any one time however they will have some nice young prospects, they can use at any time.

I'm not sure what we could offer them that could improve their roster and what they would want?

http://capitals.nhl.com/club/roster.htm
Washington has some tough decisions to make. They were poised to be a contender, or even competitive, with their stacked roster, but they've fallen very much short of that. They could use an upgrade on their blue line... Gunnarson might be able to help them. They allow a lot of 5 on 5 goals, and their top scorer is Ribiero... unacceptable TBH considering they have Ovi and Backstrom. I'm sure they could also use Kulemin.

What does Gunnar + Kule get us? Certainly I'm not buying Ribiero for that unless he comes with Tom Wilson. They have poor prospect depth on D, so if we have to add Blacker, so be it. Erskine would slot nicely as the player we want Holzer and Komi to be, but aren't, but I doubt we can pull him from Washington as he's been solid there.

They'd have interest in Blacker as they have poor prospect depth on the blue line... maybe something like Blacker + Kulemin for Ribiero?

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03-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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Washington has some tough decisions to make. They were poised to be a contender, or even competitive, with their stacked roster, but they've fallen very much short of that. They could use an upgrade on their blue line... Gunnarson might be able to help them. They allow a lot of 5 on 5 goals, and their top scorer is Ribiero... unacceptable TBH considering they have Ovi and Backstrom. I'm sure they could also use Kulemin.

What does Gunnar + Kule get us? Certainly I'm not buying Ribiero for that unless he comes with Tom Wilson. They have poor prospect depth on D, so if we have to add Blacker, so be it. Erskine would slot nicely as the player we want Holzer and Komi to be, but aren't, but I doubt we can pull him from Washington as he's been solid there.

They'd have interest in Blacker as they have poor prospect depth on the blue line... maybe something like Blacker + Kulemin for Ribiero?
Gunnar + Kulemin for Ribeiro + Wilson looks good to me.

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25:03 in 2010-2011
22:32 in 2011-2012

Those numbers are skewed due to the 2:03 he played before getting injured in the Stars game.
They are also skewed because he has been playing forward lately.

He's a 22+ min D when he's healthy.
They are also skewed because he has been playing forward lately.

Thanks, all I need to know about how well he's being perceived as a defender in San Jose.

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Gunnar + Kulemin for Ribeiro + Wilson looks good to me.
Mee too, but they have too many D under contract and we'd have to take one back, and that complicates things.

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03-17-2013, 12:08 PM
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Washington has some tough decisions to make. They were poised to be a contender, or even competitive, with their stacked roster, but they've fallen very much short of that. They could use an upgrade on their blue line... Gunnarson might be able to help them. They allow a lot of 5 on 5 goals, and their top scorer is Ribiero... unacceptable TBH considering they have Ovi and Backstrom. I'm sure they could also use Kulemin.

What does Gunnar + Kule get us? Certainly I'm not buying Ribiero for that unless he comes with Tom Wilson. They have poor prospect depth on D, so if we have to add Blacker, so be it. Erskine would slot nicely as the player we want Holzer and Komi to be, but aren't, but I doubt we can pull him from Washington as he's been solid there.

They'd have interest in Blacker as they have poor prospect depth on the blue line... maybe something like Blacker + Kulemin for Ribiero?
Something like:

Grabovski, Kulemin and Gardiner
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Backstrom and Alzner

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03-17-2013, 12:11 PM
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Ribiero is the odd man out there - he's getting dealt before the deadline. I'd still like us to inquire, but I bet Washington will insist on picks/prospects unfortunately.
I have 0 interest in Rebie this year.

Either he comes as a UFA or he stays away.

Unlike many others, i don't give 2 shts about squeezing into the POs this year, point of fact, i want unsigned UFAs like Mac and Boz traded before the TD.

We are at best a borderline PO team with only 2 blue chip prospects and not much else in the farm system.

This is no time for this organization to be spending or losing out on adding young assets moving forward.

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Mee too, but they have too many D under contract and we'd have to take one back, and that complicates things.
This is why I'm saying, they probably want to deal players, for draft picks.

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Something like:

Grabovski, Kulemin and Gardiner
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Backstrom and Alzner
ULF.. you can't expect them to include Alzner in that package. Maybe that gets them listening to Backstrom.

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They are also skewed because he has been playing forward lately.

Thanks, all I need to know about how well he's being perceived as a defender in San Jose.
The Sharks need an offensive jump, and Burns has been providing it.

It shows his versatility. 5 points in 3 games.

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Yotes fans seem to think Klesla might be available. Reasonable salary (around 3m), signed through next year.

Possible target?

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Yotes fans seem to think Klesla might be available. Reasonable salary (around 3m), signed through next year.

Possible target?
Need to know more about klesla, is he an upgrade over Gunnar?

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We don't need another lefty

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Yotes fans seem to think Klesla might be available. Reasonable salary (around 3m), signed through next year.

Possible target?
It would certainly present an interesting option for the Leafs if he does indeed come on the block but I don't see him as much of an upgrade over Gunnar, but I see Morris as a better fit for the Leafs and a better fit for the Yotes to move IMO.

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ULF.. you can't expect them to include Alzner in that package. Maybe that gets them listening to Backstrom.
If they are listening then you can negotiate ...

My approach would be to emphasize their Russian connection (Semin aside) and see if they'd feel Kuznetsov would be more comfortable with some comrads.

It isn't like Backstrom is a hundred point center like he was 3-4 years ago.

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If they are listening then you can negotiate ...

My approach would be to emphasize their Russian connection (Semin aside) and see if they'd feel Kuznetsov would be more comfortable with some comrads.

It isn't like Backstrom is a hundred point center like he was 3-4 years ago.

With the landscape being as such, I just don't see legit all stars like Backstrom being moved right now. Maybe in the offseason, yes. My guess would be that if they entertained the offer, they'd want a 1st, a top prospect, a centre and Kulemin. That's just a guess.

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With the landscape being as such, I just don't see legit all stars like Backstrom being moved right now. Maybe in the offseason, yes. My guess would be that if they entertained the offer, they'd want a 1st, a top prospect, a centre and Kulemin. That's just a guess.
Oh, I'm not interested in making a move to save the season.

This isn't a finished product and making the playoffs, while it has to be made to save some face for Burke, isn't really the end game this year.

Leafs only have 1 top prospect, and the 1st. no problem depending on when this year or next. I wouldn't move Rielly in the deal though, so Gardiner is the "top prospect" they could have.

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Good lord a poke in the main board trade forum ...absolutely nothing logical at all taking place there.

Gardiner for Briere? Sheesh.

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Good lord a poke in the main board trade forum ...absolutely nothing logical at all taking place there.

Gardiner for Briere? Sheesh.
And you question me about the Backstrom suggestion?

Briere 6.5 for 2 more years after this one.

How about Komisarek for Briere?

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And you question me about the Backstrom suggestion?

Briere 6.5 for 2 more years after this one.

How about Komisarek for Briere?

I'm still passing. Komi only has a season left. I'm not helping Philly out at all if I'm Nonis.

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It's also commonly speculated that Briere won't waive his (full?) NMC so he can stay close to his kids.

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It's also commonly speculated that Briere won't waive his (full?) NMC so he can stay close to his kids.
Briere would be good for the NYI. His cap hit helps them get to the floor while his actual salary takes a big drop. NYI aren't that far from Philly.

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