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03-17-2013, 12:41 PM
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It really depends on what the '+' is in a Matt Read deal. Couturier and B. Schenn are non-starters for Bouwmeester, IMO.

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TIFIW. I know must of you don't like him just posting this for the sake of discussion.

Personally I wouldn't give up any of those players alone for JayBo let alone the + if that's true.
Or is he saying:

Couturier

Schenn

or

Matt Read +

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03-17-2013, 12:46 PM
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Or is he saying:

Couturier

Schenn

or

Matt Read +
I'm not really sure. Either way I wouldn't do for any of them.

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03-17-2013, 12:52 PM
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TIFIW. I know must of you don't like him just posting this for the sake of discussion.

Personally I wouldn't give up any of those players alone for JayBo let alone the + if that's true.
I'd do Matt Read + (provided the plus isn't something crazy). I would not deal Schenn or Couturier for J-Bo.

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03-17-2013, 01:10 PM
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Depending on what the plus is on Matt read he is the only one I would move for him. He probably won't resign with us anyway with all of our rfa's due for raises next year. One year of jaybouw for Matt read I think I could stomach. Especially if we find someone on the UFA market to replace him with. Corey perry hehe

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Matt Read + 2nd.

Anyone willing to do that for JBO?

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03-17-2013, 01:16 PM
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Matt Read + 2nd.

Anyone willing to do that for JBO?
This year's second?

Meh. I dunno.

Is Bouwmeester much better with the puck than Coburn or Schenn. (Honest question--it has been a while since I've seen him). My sense was that his career trajectory was similar to Coburn's--elite skating, strong defense, a minutes-eater, but never developed a consistent offensive game.

Obviously Bouwmeester averages 10 points or so more a year, but he's also played on poorer teams.

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03-17-2013, 01:23 PM
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This year's second?

Meh. I dunno.

Is Bouwmeester much better with the puck than Coburn or Schenn. (Honest question--it has been a while since I've seen him). My sense was that his career trajectory was similar to Coburn's--elite skating, strong defense, a minutes-eater, but never developed a consistent offensive game.

Obviously Bouwmeester averages 10 points or so more a year, but he's also played on poorer teams.
J-Bo is way better with the puck than Schenn. Usually he is about the same as Coburn, but earlier in his career he showed a lot of promise. He can regain that I think that he would be great to have on this team. I'd deal Read and a second for him but only if there was some guarantee that he re-signed here. For all the Coburn haters, a deal like this would make Coburn expendable (though I still wouldn't want to deal him).

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03-17-2013, 01:29 PM
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What's the point of getting bouwmeester? He really doesn't make this team that much better, were not making the playoffs so why do nothing more than make out draft position worse? Would you rather finish 9th or 10th in the east or 13th or 14tg in the east?

Would be absolutely stupid to trade for bouwmeester at this point. I wouldn't be opposed to trading read and a 2nd for jbo, but I'd MUCH rather it be in the offseason.

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03-17-2013, 01:33 PM
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This year's second?

Meh. I dunno.

Is Bouwmeester much better with the puck than Coburn or Schenn. (Honest question--it has been a while since I've seen him). My sense was that his career trajectory was similar to Coburn's--elite skating, strong defense, a minutes-eater, but never developed a consistent offensive game.

Obviously Bouwmeester averages 10 points or so more a year, but he's also played on poorer teams.
I haven't looked into this years advanced stats, but in 2011-12 Bouwmeester played against the toughest quality of competition. He's been playing in a Brent Sutter system and seeing all the huge defensive minutes 'cause he's their clear cut #1 defender, is the most mobile, etc.
  • Bouwmeester has seen an increase in production, now producing at a 0.5 PPG (which could easily go down) but that returns him to 40 point form if capable of keeping it up for a full season.
  • He's still seeing the tough minutes and has played over 25 minutes a night something around 15 times, never going under 20 minutes a night. In a game against Minnesota, he played 30 minutes and 7 minutes on both the powerplay and a penalty kill. He sees 1:30 PP time per game, while seeing 3 minutes of PK time per game. That kind of shows how he's being used.
  • Dennis Wideman is the Flames new powerplay and offensive specialist, so Bouwmeester is more relegated to the a 5v5 role (which is what we really need help with) while still seeing special teams minutes.
  • A knock against Jay? He can be soft. Very soft. He could be a more defense, less offense Brian Campbell for us though.

tl;dr : I want Jay Bouwmeester. We could probably resign him to something reasonable if he does well. I'd easily do Matt Read+2nd. Couturier, B. Schenn and our 1st would be off limits. They can have Gustafsson too, to be honest.

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Matt Read + 2nd.

Anyone willing to do that for JBO?
Nope. Bouwmeester isn't an upgrade to anything the Flyers already have. Besides, the last thing that I'd want around this club is the stank of failure that has followed Bouwmeester everywhere he's been.

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03-17-2013, 01:34 PM
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Jaybouw is much better than anyone of our defender with the puck. He can skate from end to end and actually put a shot on net! Coburn skates it from our end to about the blue line and will dump it to the corner and chase. Bouw has the ability to take it down and fire it on net. We sorely miss that. And his first pass is good. He knows when to jump into the play also. Quite a few times I have seen him be the fourth or even third player join on the rush. We honestly don't have a defenseman that does this at all.

Also I'm not the biggest jaybouw fan but he does get a bad rep around here. His contract is one of the bigger reasons plus the playoff drought. He plays 25 mins a night on a dreadful team for most of his career. Get him a suitable team and he can be a really effective player


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JayBo would be the new Matt Carle around here by the first game.

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Jaybouw is much better than anyone of our defender with the puck. He can skate from end to end and actually put a shot on net! Coburn skates it from our end to about the blue line and will dump it to the corner and chase. Bouw has the ability to take it down and fire it on net. We sorely miss that. And his first pass is good. He knows when to jump into the play also. Quite a few times I have seen him be the fourth or even third player join on the rush. We honestly don't have a defenseman that does this at all.
The question about Bouwmeester that needs to be asked is - does he make other players around him better? The answer is no. To give up a Matt Read and a draft pick, the defenseman in return better be more than a soon to be 30 year old who has never played a game in the playoffs and just doesn't have the mental toughness to raise his game to the next level. If people on here hate Coburn (I'm one of them), then people will loathe Bouwmeester because the man has the natural talent, but zero drive and determination.

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the Pens want Talbot per Eklund

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Like I said before I'm willin to do read + not our 1st for jaybouw because I don't think read is here beyond next year anyway. He probably will price himself out of here. So we get to see how jaybouw fairs here for a year. I really think he could surprise us. He is better than Coburn too. He is soft, but Coburn plays fairly soft until playoffs. Maybe bouw is a horse in the playoffs!

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Good, because they have some very nice blue line prospects. Hopefully Holmgren wont think the Flyers are still in the race and blow the Penguins off. This team needs to sell. They dont have the right players to do anything in the PO's even if they do make it.

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Count me in on the no to Bouwmeester. Dont want to be trading draft picks. Even those measily 1st and 2nd round picks as some folks like to say.

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David krecji hurt in Boston. Maybe it gives them that extra incentive to get mr briere?!?

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Ekland says TJ Brennan, who Buffalo just traded to Florida for a #5, would have been a Top 4 D on our team. Completely embarrassing if Holmgren wasnt trying to acquire a player traded for that cheap.

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j bo is nice , i just wish he was our only 6 million dollar defenseman. having 2 of them is going to be alot.

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Ekland says TJ Brennan, who Buffalo just traded to Florida for a #5, would have been a Top 4 D on our team. Completely embarrassing if Holmgren wasnt trying to acquire a player traded for that cheap.
what can you do.

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Ekland says TJ Brennan, who Buffalo just traded to Florida for a #5, would have been a Top 4 D on our team. Completely embarrassing if Holmgren wasnt trying to acquire a player traded for that cheap.
Eh, that's a stretch, but he would have helped the second PP unit.

He would have cost a roster spot though.

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Like I said before I'm willin to do read + not our 1st for jaybouw because I don't think read is here beyond next year anyway. He probably will price himself out of here. So we get to see how jaybouw fairs here for a year. I really think he could surprise us. He is better than Coburn too. He is soft, but Coburn plays fairly soft until playoffs. Maybe bouw is a horse in the playoffs!
Read is also going to be 27 years old when the off season rolls around. I think Read pretty much is the player he is and that if Read is going to be dealt, the Flyers will have to throw in extra simply because of his age and the fact he only has a few years experience. If it's a deal for Bouwmeester, that + will probably a second or multiple seconds. At this point, I'd rather the Flyers stay away from Bouwmeester and look at using Read as a center piece to acquiring someone like Rundblad or Vlasic from San Jose (who the Sharks are rumoured to be looking at moving).

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Dont know if he would be a top 4. Seems like he has a great shot, but is a defensive liability.

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