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03-17-2013, 12:06 PM
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Why get Iginla? This team needs C not more wingers. Not only that but Iginla is well past his prime and to give up that much for a non need old rental is beyond dumb. It would be one thing if you needed him but the Hawks have 0 need for another top 6 RW, he is not as good as Kane or Hoss so 0 desire for him.
Cause he has grit in spades. He keeps himself in great shape but playing for that organization for 10 years+ would bring any players game down. With a SC at stake, he would turn back the clock, imo

The price tag we hear is just Flames dreaming, and I wholeheartedly agree we shouldn't even consider acquiring him at the price we often hear but I reckon those demands will be a lot less by April 3 if they are outside of a PO spot. I seriously doubt that Iggy will sign with Calgary over the summer, hence, if Flames are serious about re-building they will move him before then (for the best deal they can find).

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I am now convinced we must keep 1st and 3rd lines together

Thus trading Bolland + for upgrade at #2 should be primary goal
So who shuts down the opposing teams best players in the playoffs? It's not Shaw or Kruger or anyone we get from Bolland.

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03-17-2013, 12:52 PM
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Bolland will be traded by the offseason

Likely hypothetical: Hawks have a great playoff run (maybe a cup) and our 3rd line of Bickell-Shaw-Stalberg shines every series. Bolland plays average 2C hockey but doesn't get put in a position to shut down other teams top lines like he's known for.

Bolland becomes "expendable" because Bowman would rather use the cap space on Bickell and Stalberg to keep that amazing 3rd line in tact. Bowman sadly trades Bolland for a cap friendly package (picks and prospects).

I love Bolland and don't want to see him go but I've been tossing this hypothetical in my head for a while now

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So who shuts down the opposing teams best players in the playoffs? It's not Shaw or Kruger or anyone we get from Bolland.
There's only one way to shut down an opposing line?

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03-17-2013, 01:12 PM
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So who shuts down the opposing teams best players in the playoffs? It's not Shaw or Kruger or anyone we get from Bolland.
Bolland wont be shutting anyone down as #2 C with Kane on his wing

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Bolland has been absolutely money so far in his career in the playoffs. If the Hawks make a big run, I guarantee he plays a big part of it. I really don't see Bolland going anywhere, he should be able to be signed at a reasonable amount due to his numbers.

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03-17-2013, 01:31 PM
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If Bolland is traded, it's in the offseason

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Bowman telling NHL.com what we already know. He wants to add a depth center, but of course would be fine standing pat.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=15403

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03-17-2013, 01:45 PM
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#2 center truly is the only hole. A depth center - assuming that means in the bottom-six, and given the term itself, that seems to be implied - doesn't slot in anywhere significant.

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Depth center?

All aboard the Ryan Johnson train!




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I merged the Bolland trade thread in to this....this is where it belongs.

I do agree it's possible Bolland gets traded this summer. But I think we all see this possibility. The Hawks are on the verge of having a glut of centers and potentially a need to move a little money. That points right at Bolly, for good or for bad.

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I merged the Bolland trade thread in to this....this is where it belongs.

I do agree it's possible Bolland gets traded this summer. But I think we all see this possibility. The Hawks are on the verge of having a glut of centers and potentially a need to move a little money. That points right at Bolly, for good or for bad.
Definitely. And I love Bolland.

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03-17-2013, 02:30 PM
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I merged the Bolland trade thread in to this....this is where it belongs.

I do agree it's possible Bolland gets traded this summer. But I think we all see this possibility. The Hawks are on the verge of having a glut of centers and potentially a need to move a little money. That points right at Bolly, for good or for bad.
The Hawks may have a glut of centers, but none of them are either (1) 2nd line center quality or (2) ready for a 2C role at the NHL level.

Pirri: 2nd line quality offensively but apparently not ready for defensive responsibilities.
Shaw: 3/4 center or winger.
Kruger: 3/4 center.
Teravainen: currently playing LW and not ready for 2C at NHL level.
Danault: more of a 3C.
McNeill: more of a 4C or winger at NHL level.
KHayes: played LW for Boston College and not ready for NHL.
JHayes: recently converted to center but with his skating it's doubtful he will ever be good enough for 2C role.

Keeping Bolland at 2C next season might give Pirri enough time to get ready to be 2C in 2014/15. The Hawks need a second guy to win faceoffs though - whether it's 2C, 3C or 4C.

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03-17-2013, 02:43 PM
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The Hawks may have a glut of centers, but none of them are either (1) 2nd line center quality or (2) ready for a 2C role at the NHL level.

Pirri: 2nd line quality offensively but apparently not ready for defensive responsibilities.
Shaw: 3/4 center or winger.
Kruger: 3/4 center.
Teravainen: currently playing LW and not ready for 2C at NHL level.
Danault: more of a 3C.
McNeill: more of a 4C or winger at NHL level.
KHayes: played LW for Boston College and not ready for NHL.
JHayes: recently converted to center but with his skating it's doubtful he will ever be good enough for 2C role.

Keeping Bolland at 2C next season might give Pirri enough time to get ready to be 2C in 2014/15. The Hawks need a second guy to win faceoffs though - whether it's 2C, 3C or 4C.
Bolland isn't either of bolded

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Bolland has been absolutely money so far in his career in the playoffs. If the Hawks make a big run, I guarantee he plays a big part of it. I really don't see Bolland going anywhere, he should be able to be signed at a reasonable amount due to his numbers.
Unless Davey takes a major pay cut he isn't worth it ,, He will get 4M+ as a UFA

And Bolland was pretty terrible last year in playoffs

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03-17-2013, 02:49 PM
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The Hawks may have a glut of centers, but none of them are either (1) 2nd line center quality or (2) ready for a 2C role at the NHL level.

Pirri: 2nd line quality offensively but apparently not ready for defensive responsibilities.
Shaw: 3/4 center or winger.
Kruger: 3/4 center.
Teravainen: currently playing LW and not ready for 2C at NHL level.
Danault: more of a 3C.
McNeill: more of a 4C or winger at NHL level.
KHayes: played LW for Boston College and not ready for NHL.
JHayes: recently converted to center but with his skating it's doubtful he will ever be good enough for 2C role.

Keeping Bolland at 2C next season might give Pirri enough time to get ready to be 2C in 2014/15. The Hawks need a second guy to win faceoffs though - whether it's 2C, 3C or 4C.
You're not going to have a perfect solution for every spot in the lineup. That's just not possible with today's NHL and the salary cap. Does Danault seem to be more of a 3rd line center? From what we know now... sure....but these guys haven't played together yet. We really don't know what will or won't work until he's given a chance. Same with Pirri.

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I could see Calgary getting 2/3 of what they're asking for but not all of it. Iginla playing LW on the same line as Kane would be lethal.

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I could see Calgary getting 2/3 of what they're asking for but not all of it. Iginla playing LW on the same line as Kane would be lethal.

Sharp-Toews-Hossa
Iginla-Bolland-Kane
maybe 2+ years ago. he doesn't really look that close to what he once was.

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Bolland wont be shutting anyone down as #2 C with Kane on his wing
Actually he will be, because the other teams top players will be playing against Kane.

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There's only one way to shut down an opposing line?
Ya, to have a great defensive forward matched up against the other teams top players, Its been done in almost every playoff series.

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Actually he will be, because the other teams top players will be playing against Kane.
I'm not so sure. Toews, Hossa, and Saad is clearly the Hawks first line. Unless the opposing team runs 2 scoring lines and a pure checking line, I see the opposing teams' top line facing off against Toews's line.

With Kane and Sharp flanking Bolland, Q will not purposefully put that line against the opposing teams' top scoring line. Q will play the matchups that benefit Kane and Sharp offensively rather than Bolland defensively.

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I could see Calgary getting 2/3 of what they're asking for but not all of it. Iginla playing LW on the same line as Kane would be lethal.

Sharp-Toews-Hossa
Iginla-Bolland-Kane

Iginla has played his whole career on RW - not sure he'd be OK with changing to LW anymore than Hossa or Kane would want to. Plus at this point in their respective careers, I'm not sure Iginla is a better top-6 LW than Saad, especially with the way Saad has been playing with Toews and Hossa lately.

I like the idea of having Iginla for the stretch run and into the playoffs, especially because he would bring that grit and stick up for a teammate ability to the top-6, but I just don't see how he fits without breaking up the chemistry of the 1st and 3rd lines.

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Agreed, but looking at it from the other side, no cap worries if Kruger is gone. Maybe Iggy does a Bourque thing and re- ups for a year. I'm 50-50 on that proposal though. I like Kruger but I feel Iginla is a born Blackhawk and would love to see that and an amazing chance at a Cup.
Krüger is that last player that worries me when it comes to a new contract and Cap problems

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stupid bickell and stalberg are scoring themselves out of our price range

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stupid bickell and stalberg are scoring themselves out of our price range
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No worries

Morin can slot into Bickells spot without issue

Hayes or Shaw will slot into Stalberg's spot (If Danault is on Hawks him or Kruger will be 3rd line C IMO moving Sharp to wing)

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Ya, to have a great defensive forward matched up against the other teams top players, Its been done in almost every playoff series.
Nope.

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