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03-17-2013, 03:59 PM
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Yeah they pretty much are when you take into account cap growth and the NHLPA use of the cap inflator which still exists from everything I've seen. The one year remaining one may not be comfortable (it's doable) but the other ones aren't that big of a deal.

More to the point no GM is really that concerned about 6+ years from now. If they are you have the wrong GM.
based on the Ryan O'Reilly offer I'm not even convinced Feaster is concerned about the now.

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Our whole team is in a rough patch right now, Luongo and Schneider included.

We can't move anyone right now, we will get nothing for any of our guys.

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I still love Luongo but last game really just pissed me off with him.

The fifth goal was flukey but like FFS can he please battle when the going gets tough.

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I still love Luongo but last game really just pissed me off with him.

The fifth goal was flukey but like FFS can he please battle when the going gets tough.
The whole team gave up, after 4-1 everyone just quit.

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I still love Luongo but last game really just pissed me off with him.

The fifth goal was flukey but like FFS can he please battle when the going gets tough.
Why single him out? Where's the captain? Where's the rest of the team?

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Why single him out? Where's the captain? Where's the rest of the team?
Because this is a Luongo thread, not a "the whole team blows chunks wah wah" thread. I've called out plenty of the other players as well.

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03-17-2013, 04:27 PM
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I still love Luongo but last game really just pissed me off with him.

The fifth goal was flukey but like FFS can he please battle when the going gets tough.
all 3 of those goals in the 3rd were unacceptable. His counterpart on the other side outplayed him once again. Has it come to shielding Luongo from Detroit now too?

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The whole team gave up, after 4-1 everyone just quit.
There was only one line playing out there from the puck drop. After it was 4-1, yeah, you could say they quit.

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03-17-2013, 04:31 PM
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Well, nobody will defend Luongo's performance last night. Schneider has had games like this recently too and to that I've said "the goalie still has to make the saves". Sure, Luongo had 2 goals go off bodies and 2 others that beat him either stick side or under the arm (very Schneider like) that he coulda had. The 2nd goal, he had to respect the shooter (Datsyuk) and trust that the defense ties up the front of the net.

So, not a good outing, but these games happen. The Red Wings exposed the entire team for their poor defensive play and their unwillingness to compete.

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There was only one line playing out there from the puck drop. After it was 4-1, yeah, you could say they quit.
Yeah.

We don't have to be a one line team, but apparently that's how it's going to be. If each line had a distinct identity and job we'd be fine instead of whatever cluster**** AV is trying to play.

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Well, nobody will defend Luongo's performance last night. Schneider has had games like this recently too and to that I've said "the goalie still has to make the saves". Sure, Luongo had 2 goals go off bodies and 2 others that beat him either stick side or under the arm (very Schneider like) that he coulda had. The 2nd goal, he had to respect the shooter (Datsyuk) and trust that the defense ties up the front of the net.

So, not a good outing, but these games happen. The Red Wings exposed the entire team for their poor defensive play and their unwillingness to compete.
It's not "Schneider-like", it's just a bad goal no matter if Luongo, Lundqvist, Quick or Schneids lets it in.

Nice attempt at a jab though.

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Well, nobody will defend Luongo's performance last night. Schneider has had games like this recently too and to that I've said "the goalie still has to make the saves". Sure, Luongo had 2 goals go off bodies and 2 others that beat him either stick side or under the arm (very Schneider like) that he coulda had. The 2nd goal, he had to respect the shooter (Datsyuk) and trust that the defense ties up the front of the net.

So, not a good outing, but these games happen. The Red Wings exposed the entire team for their poor defensive play and their unwillingness to compete.
What exactly is there to defend?

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It's not "Schneider-like", it's just a bad goal no matter if Luongo, Lundqvist, Quick or Schneids lets it in.

Nice attempt at a jab though.
They were bad goals, I did say he shoulda had them - right?

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I heard Kevin Woodley on the radio this week talking about how Lu's technical game is slowly eroding to old form.... at least he hasn't reverted to showing up his defensemen again

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I guess the Preds should look at moving Rinne because he had back to back meltdowns, right? Point is every goalie has bad games, including both of ours.

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I guess the Preds should look at moving Rinne because he had back to back meltdowns, right? Point is every goalie has bad games, including both of ours.
You think we'll ever see Schneider throw his hands in the air and slam his stick at a defensemen when he has a bad game?

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I guess the Preds should look at moving Rinne because he had back to back meltdowns, right? Point is every goalie has bad games, including both of ours.
I always thought Rinne was a major byproduct of Weber and Suter. He's good, but he's not that good. Doesn't use his size as well as he could. Ironically both Rinne (without Suter) and Lindback (without Nashville) have looked bad this year. Nashville's goalie coach is not very good, both goalies are very scrambly and too aggressive.

He's so bipolar, leading the league in SOs and then meltdowns. I wouldn't pay him 7M a year.

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I always thought Rinne was a major byproduct of Weber and Suter. He's good, but he's not that good. Doesn't use his size as well as he could. Ironically both Rinne (without Suter) and Lindback (without Nashville) have looked bad this year. Nashville's goalie coach is not very good, both goalies are very scrambly and too aggressive.

He's so bipolar, leading the league in SOs and then meltdowns. I wouldn't pay him 7M a year.
Funny thing is I agree with your assessment of Rinne. I've always thought he was overrated and never worthy of being credited as the number 2 or 3 goalie in the world.

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Funny thing is I agree with your assessment of Rinne. I've always thought he was overrated and never worthy of being credited as the number 2 or 3 goalie in the world.
Behind Weber and Suter he puts up arguably Vezina numbers, but any higher-end (top 20) goalie should. Without Suter he's still a high end goalie, but certainly cannot stand alone without the system and defense. I'd peg him 12-15.

Which kind of just speaks to how terrible Crawford is. He's been decent this year, but he still is so bad. He has possibly the worst positioning of any starter and I think he might actually try and move out of the way of the puck. He has good numbers because he's playing like a low-end starter and has Keith and Seabrook in front of him.

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I always thought Rinne was a major byproduct of Weber and Suter. He's good, but he's not that good. Doesn't use his size as well as he could. Ironically both Rinne (without Suter) and Lindback (without Nashville) have looked bad this year. Nashville's goalie coach is not very good, both goalies are very scrambly and too aggressive.

He's so bipolar, leading the league in SOs and then meltdowns. I wouldn't pay him 7M a year.
Nashville's goalies have always looked good - Dunham, Vokoun, Ellis, now Rinne. Doesn't seem like a fluke to me. Who should get the credit for that - Trotz, or Mitch Korn the goalie coach, or just having good defencemen? I haven't watched the Preds enough to be able to decide.

Agreed on Rinne's inconsistency. Vancouver just seems to have his number. But then again, other "elite" goalies like Lundqvist and Luongo have had their meltdowns too - I think it's just unavoidable.

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Nashville's goalies have always looked good - Dunham, Vokoun, Ellis, now Rinne. Doesn't seem like a fluke to me. Who should get the credit for that - Trotz, or Mitch Korn the goalie coach, or just having good defencemen? I haven't watched the Preds enough to be able to decide.

Agreed on Rinne's inconsistency. Vancouver just seems to have his number. But then again, other "elite" goalies like Lundqvist and Luongo have had their meltdowns too - I think it's just unavoidable.
Its Trotz' system and having Weber. Their goalie coach isn't great, as evidenced by the success Nashville goalies have outside of the system (I'd say Vokoun is the only one who's lived up to his hype).

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You think we'll ever see Schneider throw his hands in the air and slam his stick at a defensemen when he has a bad game?

Most likely.

Do you ever see Edler or Bieksa apologizing to our goalies for their bad giveaways, poor coverage, deflections and outright screening of their own goalies. We saw Byfuglien turn and apologize for doing the exact same thing to Pavelec in the easly game.

On an aside, shortly after Edler's screen play on Luongo, Lu threw the puck into edler's feet (suicde pass) when he was in the corner. Accident? Maybe, maybe not!

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I'm not sure it's worth arguing about the penalty if Lu retires at 38 or 39 instead of 43. We will almost certainly be rebuilding then, as the Sedins will be done, the current core will be declining, and our farm is poor.

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Why single him out? Where's the captain? Where's the rest of the team?
You don't seem to have a problem breaking down all of Schneider's faults and blaming losses on him. At least man up and admit he was bad last night.

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