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03-17-2013, 04:47 AM
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Vlasic was playing like **** at the time. We all applauded Demers for having the balls to call someone out.
Perhaps we perceived it that way, but how did SJ management perceive it? How did the other players?

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As for Nabokov, come on. Nabby is the biggest diva in the NHL, and I'm a huge fan of him.
That is hyperbole.

In any case, the above applies. How did others perceive it?

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If it's a stamina problem, playing him in bottom pairing minutes. Unless he's making no effort at all to work out/practice, then this is stupid.
Unless it is even worse than that.

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03-17-2013, 11:12 AM
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If either Marleau or Couture go down, it's over as nobody else could score a goal and all another team would have to do is lock down the healthy one and they're done.
I pray this does not happen, as this will be an excuse for DW to keep TM. "he was playing without a full deck" sort of thinking by DW, not TM's fault.

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03-17-2013, 11:36 AM
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I don't want any firings or trades this year. Let this cast of characters play the year out. If the owners aren't happy, then clean house, get rid of DW and TMac. Don't fire the coach, and then if/when DW gets fired after the season, try to find another coach.

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03-17-2013, 01:07 PM
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It's really DW's fault that TMac has had genetic mush to work with on the 3rd and 4th lines.

Those players always take at least 1 season to "fit in" with the system, have stunk on the PK, and then they leave after 2 seasons. Why? Because their stats look poor in comparison to the "shiny new" stats of other teams' departing summer UFA 3rd and 4th liners who have been inside another system for 3+ or 4+ years. Which DW then picks up.

Season after season, McLellan has been forced to burn up Top-6 players' minutes covering for Bottom-6 duties like the PK.

But DW isn't going anywhere. He will always declare his playoff record "second-to-none" -- 91 games in 17 series -- and the only option will be to dump McLellan. Given DW's history, it will most likely happen this offseason.

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It's really DW's fault that TMac has had genetic mush to work with on the 3rd and 4th lines.
It's not McLellan's fault that his 3rd and 4th liners are underwhelming, but it is his fault that he can't get a very good defensive corps and top 6 to do anything positive.

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I've had a problem with TMac since the Blues series. He just refuses to adjust his system to better counter what the other teams are doing. A good head coach can make the subtle adjustments necessary in order for the team to succeed. He never does. If something doesn't work, he's the kind of guy that would pound on it with a hammer until it does.

Also, I really believe something is wrong with Demers at this point. TMac has literally exhausted every option except to play him. He called up Matt Pelech and Bracken Kearns and gave them some top 6 minutes in order to jump start this team.

I'm hoping it's just an injury that he's playing out of and not an attitude problem.

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03-17-2013, 03:12 PM
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I'd start with Doug Wilson before getting to anything else.
I've been saying this for years now.

DW is the person that needs to be replaced first and foremost!

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03-17-2013, 03:20 PM
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I am going to repeat myself from another thread. I do think TM has his faults, but I think that part of the issue is bringing on Robinson. Frying pan to fire. IMO, TM got marching orders from DW to fix up the defense. They did. But the coaching staff did not integrate the new coverage scheme with breakouts which have always been a problem under TM. TM has always gone with one of the most conservative breakout strategies in the league. It reduces turnovers and is killing their ability to score. Robinson's comments from the second LA game reinforced my opinion that Robinson is a big part of this year's problem. You don't win by shutting down the opposition; you win by scoring one more goal than they do. You can't do that by concentrating on only one side of the puck.

The slower they get out of the zone, the more difficult it is to score as the other team is given time to set up their defense. A coach can increase scoring through PP improvements, stacking a team with Datsyukian danglers for cycle play or speeding transition. TM has bumped PP in the past. The team has improved in the chip and chase game, but . . . DW has never been enamored of Datsyukian types although he did get Havlat. And, DW has never pushed for speed in personnel.

You can swap coaches, but the odds of improvement with re-treads is small. Best to go fishing for coaching in the fresh pond. And with the age of their personnel, it is best to get a coach that is good with youngsters which is another chip on the side of getting a younger coach. Find a DeBoer type. And find AC's that actually improve a team in their area of specialty like Ramsay for offense.

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I've had a problem with TMac since the Blues series. He just refuses to adjust his system to better counter what the other teams are doing. A good head coach can make the subtle adjustments necessary in order for the team to succeed. He never does. If something doesn't work, he's the kind of guy that would pound on it with a hammer until it does.
His adjustment has been to juggle the lines. I know that he's certainly not the only coach to do this, but the only other adjustment I have seen him try is to push them to shoot more. The O is clearly broken. We do not score goals with any consistency.

In my opinion, the reason we think the boys are lazy or seem to play with no passion is they know TMac's system does not work against teams that have figured us out(most of them) and that TMac refuses to change it. If you think we are tired of hearing about the process, with no real answers about what needs to change or any admission that there is really anything wrong, then imagine how frustrating it must be for the boys. They are expected to go out and put it all on the line every game knowing that no matter how hard they work for it, the system will most likely let them down. I think they have lost faith.

As far are Demers goes, what if he was vocal about the broken system and that's why he continues to sit... Just a thought.

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I am going to repeat myself from another thread. I do think TM has his faults, but I think that part of the issue is bringing on Robinson. Frying pan to fire. IMO, TM got marching orders from DW to fix up the defense. They did. But the coaching staff did not integrate the new coverage scheme with breakouts which have always been a problem under TM. TM has always gone with one of the most conservative breakout strategies in the league. It reduces turnovers and is killing their ability to score. Robinson's comments from the second LA game reinforced my opinion that Robinson is a big part of this year's problem. You don't win by shutting down the opposition; you win by scoring one more goal than they do. You can't do that by concentrating on only one side of the puck.

The slower they get out of the zone, the more difficult it is to score as the other team is given time to set up their defense. A coach can increase scoring through PP improvements, stacking a team with Datsyukian danglers for cycle play or speeding transition. TM has bumped PP in the past. The team has improved in the chip and chase game, but . . . DW has never been enamored of Datsyukian types although he did get Havlat. And, DW has never pushed for speed in personnel.

You can swap coaches, but the odds of improvement with re-treads is small. Best to go fishing for coaching in the fresh pond. And with the age of their personnel, it is best to get a coach that is good with youngsters which is another chip on the side of getting a younger coach. Find a DeBoer type. And find AC's that actually improve a team in their area of specialty like Ramsay for offense.
Are there any coaches in paticular that would be a good fit? Dallas Eakins possibly?

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was kinda nice to see him fired up at least and have joe at least acknowledge that they were **** last night in the post game interviews.

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Are there any coaches in paticular that would be a good fit? Dallas Eakins possibly?
I don't follow AHL or junior closely enough to get an idea on HC candidates, but that is where I would look. And it is a prayer because they aren't used to dealing with guys who have the big contracts. The big contract thing is the test of an HC being ready for the show. I have a better idea on ACs. Ramsay and Francis are good for offense. Find the key underling for Nashville for defense (he doesn't stifle offense). A lot of guys who would be good defensive ACs are currently HCs (eg Carlyle, Therrien) and those HC's may not be so good as HCs. I don't know Eakins, but I hope the examples give you an idea of the direction of my thoughts.

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I don't follow AHL or junior closely enough to get an idea on HC candidates, but that is where I would look. And it is a prayer because they aren't used to dealing with guys who have the big contracts. The big contract thing is the test of an HC being ready for the show. I have a better idea on ACs. Ramsay and Francis are good for offense. Find the key underling for Nashville for defense (he doesn't stifle offense). A lot of guys who would be good defensive ACs are currently HCs (eg Carlyle, Therrien) and those HC's may not be so good as HCs. I don't know Eakins, but I hope the examples give you an idea of the direction of my thoughts.
Alright I understand what you're saying.

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Are there any coaches in paticular that would be a good fit? Dallas Eakins possibly?
Eakins is an excellent suggestion. Absolutely.

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Eakins is an excellent suggestion. Absolutely.
From what I gather..he and Jon Cooper are the hot coaching prospects of the AHL.

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From what I gather..he and Jon Cooper are the hot coaching prospects of the AHL.
True.

Part of the downfall of Burke here included him appointing Carlyle ahead of Eakins. Caused much debate and 'fear' that some team would come and snap up Eakins. Hoping we are that team.

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True.

Part of the downfall of Burke here included him appointing Carlyle ahead of Eakins. Caused much debate and 'fear' that some team would come and snap up Eakins. Hoping we are that team.
Oh Toronto. Sounds like the Habs when Kirk Mueller and Guy Boucher got their jobs.

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Oh Toronto. Sounds like the Habs when Kirk Mueller and Guy Boucher got their jobs.
tell me about it. Drama from the East so Burky ends up going back west.

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SJEasy:

I'm surprised you're not advocating for an immediate HC change.

Here's why:

You've always said that when a team makes an HC change during the season, there is usually an immediate bump up in their play. Short term success. In a shortened season, this would seem especially important for a playoff run, which is especially important for an organization that needs the team to make the playoffs for financial reasons (not just revenue/profit, but also to prevent bleeding of STH's as it was LeBrun recently pointed out how the Sharks lost 3000 STH's after the last season they missed the playoffs).

Where is the flaw in this logic that starts with your premise that teams get a short-term spark from an HC change and in a shortened season, that would necessarily have a greater impact than making an in-season change during a normal season?

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SJEasy:

I'm surprised you're not advocating for an immediate HC change.

Here's why:

You've always said that when a team makes an HC change during the season, there is usually an immediate bump up in their play. Short term success. In a shortened season, this would seem especially important for a playoff run, which is especially important for an organization that needs the team to make the playoffs for financial reasons (not just revenue/profit, but also to prevent bleeding of STH's as it was LeBrun recently pointed out how the Sharks lost 3000 STH's after the last season they missed the playoffs).

Where is the flaw in this logic that starts with your premise that teams get a short-term spark from an HC change and in a shortened season, that would necessarily have a greater impact than making an in-season change during a normal season?
There's two problems. One, the thought of who his interim replacement is going to be...likely Robinson and it can be worse for this team. Two, the premise that they're still an organization that needs to worry about their revenue/profit. We don't know where this team stands from an ownership perspective with Plattner. Plattner has enough money to not give a damn about that if he's interested in winning at all costs.

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The suite-holders are on this trip. The team has been embarrassed again. Wonder what the people who spend major $ must be thinking inside that dump of an arena in Anaheim?
I respect the TMac but the team is wound too tight! Robinson seems to be the right replacement. Before making moves, I'd look to replace the coach. What is Doug Wilson waiting for? Until a move is made, I just will find something else to watch. I love this team, just can't stand watching this junk.

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The suite-holders are on this trip. The team has been embarrassed again. Wonder what the people who spend major $ must be thinking inside that dump of an arena in Anaheim?
I respect the TMac but the team is wound too tight! Robinson seems to be the right replacement. Before making moves, I'd look to replace the coach. What is Doug Wilson waiting for? Until a move is made, I just will find something else to watch. I love this team, just can't stand watching this junk.
robinson "all we need to do is play safe hockey" is the right man. yeah. right.

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robinson "all we need to do is play safe hockey" is the right man. yeah. right.
If people want a fiery coach, Robinson is not the right choice. Not even close. He's a players' coach to a fault....

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robinson "all we need to do is play safe hockey" is the right man. yeah. right.
He's a quick-fix.

We need a coach who commands some nasty hockey. "Safe hockey" is better than they are showing now. This team is wound too tight.

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