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03-17-2013, 06:19 PM
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I didn't realize you have to register to this site to posses hockey knowledge.
I'm sure Timmy 10 yo is much more knowledgeable beacuse he reistered first.
Do yourself a favor and re-read the first half of that post.

It was a question of timing, not duration.

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03-17-2013, 06:20 PM
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I have already admitted that Datsyuk is excellent defensively, but his primary goal is to score. You have two defensemen and a goalie to stop the puck. If I want a forward, I want the one that can score... as long as they aren't a liability defensively. He's a great player, but he's not the best two-way player. Crosby is, and I'd rank last year's Stamkos and Malkin ahead of him too. "Two-way" in my mind is best combination of offense and defense, therefore, after weighing both, I'd rank Datsyuk 4th in the league. Feel free to disagree.

Karlsson was 25 points ahead of
the next defenseman. Datsyuk isn't ahead of any forward by that much in defense.


Read what you wrote and tell me that it isn't opinion based. You made a statement about what the primary job if a forward is. In many instances that isn't the case. It depends on the team and the system in place and what the coach asks of the player. When Babcock puts him with two bangers and plays him in a shut down role it's hard to argue his primary job us to score goals. Then when the line fails to score yet the coach, who is universally ranked top five, sticks with it because it's shutting down the opposition it becomes that much harder to say hus primary job us to score goals.

The rest of your post is how you value players. That's fine everyone is entitled to that. I don't really care if people rank him first or a hundred and first. It just irks me when people repeat overrated and defense doesn't matter. I'm sure you feel the same when people say they same about Karlsson except underrate his defense.

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03-17-2013, 06:21 PM
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I'd like to see Toews play with Cleary and Abdelkader.

Just watch the games. IMO it's pretty obvious who is better.

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Do yourself a favor and re-read the first half of that post.

It was a question of timing, not duration.
But he has a point, earlier join date =/= more hockey knowledge

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03-17-2013, 06:22 PM
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Datsyuk is a HFBoards darling?
Yeah, the best is when people complain about Datsyuk being overrated when comparing to Crosby...

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intangibles.

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But he has a point, earlier join date =/= more hockey knowledge
No way!

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He's been around here longer than you and I have been,
I still don't get it.

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But he has a point, earlier join date =/= more hockey knowledge
I'm not sure what part of "Timing, not duration" isn't registering with people.

It was never a question of "He's only been on here for 2 and a half years" it was "He joined the same month the Blackhawks won the Cup."

Not that difficult to understand.

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I'd like to see Toews play with Cleary and Abdelkader.

Just watch the games. IMO it's pretty obvious who is better.
I'm sure you would, since Datsyuk's run in the NHL is coming to an end.


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Because Datsyuk has ever had a PPG season.

I know there's a lot more to hockey then just points, but this is a big one.

The main reasons that Datsyuk is so much better though aren't things you whip numbers out to prove. Just actually focus on each of them while they play. Toews is a fantastic player, he busts his hump on all 200 feet of the ice, he's got great hands and he's pretty all you could ask for in a hockey player. But Datsyuk is a one of kind player because of other things, because of his creativity, his unparalleled hockey sense, and the fact that he is constantly improving his game, trying new things, and plays like an 18-year-old even as he's gaining on 35.

Of course, Datsyuk can never be considered strong defensively, because he doesn't kill penalties, so Toews AINEC.
But Datsyuk does kill penalties in fact he is usually sent out there to kill off 5-on-3's.... so the debate rages on!

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03-17-2013, 06:26 PM
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Datsyuk makes the flashy plays and gets on the highlight reel quite more often.

I personally think Toews is the superior player.

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I'm not sure what part of "Timing, not duration" isn't registering with people.

It was never a question of "He's only been on here for 2 and a half years" it was "He joined the same month the Blackhawks won the Cup."

Not that difficult to understand.
maybe he was a hawks fan that wanted to discuss the Stanley cup run with other fans? You guys are looking too far into it.

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03-17-2013, 06:27 PM
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Datsyuk is better offensively.

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03-17-2013, 06:27 PM
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They're two of the best 2 way forwards in the NHL and similarly have an effect on pretty much every aspect of the game.

What makes Datsyuk better is that he does most of the same things that Toews does, but he does them a little better.

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I started watching hockey in 92. So yes, it was after the Hawks won a couple of Cups.

And yes, I'm very familiar with Datsyuk playing against the Hawks.

He's not a "Magician" on the ice It's an even worse term than intangibles. Well maybe, not, but it's close. But good job repeating what Pierre McGuire tells you about Datsyuk playing with magic.

Datsyuk is a ******* beast, and obviously has accomplished more than Toews has. He's been in the league a few years longer, right?
Actually he is


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Actually he is

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Well ****, Datsyuk it is. AINEC.

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I think Hossa is better than both of them.

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Know what didn't scare me about Forsberg? His feet.
Cold, man. I laughed, though.

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Actually he is

Lol never saw this, awesome

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Toews hasn't had back to back 93 point seasons, his best season point wise was 76 2 years ago. Datsyuk has more points this year and he's playing alongside 2 4th line players. Then there is the fact that Datsyuk is superior defensively.

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Crosby and Giroux are both 2-way players so he's not.

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Datsyuk didn't break out until he was about 27 years old.
Toews is still only 24.

Give him 10 more years and then we'll see how he compared.

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Crosby and Giroux are both 2-way players so he's not.
I can see Crosby, but Giroux? he may be a two-way player but he's not better than Datsyuk

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I think Hossa is better than both of them.
I don't know if he is better. However, he is in the conversation. Hossa is one of the most under appreciated stars in the game.


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