I have already admitted that Datsyuk is excellent defensively, but his primary goal is to score. You have two defensemen and a goalie to stop the puck. If I want a forward, I want the one that can score... as long as they aren't a liability defensively. He's a great player, but he's not the best two-way player. Crosby is, and I'd rank last year's Stamkos and Malkin ahead of him too. "Two-way" in my mind is best combination of offense and defense, therefore, after weighing both, I'd rank Datsyuk 4th in the league. Feel free to disagree.
Karlsson was 25 points ahead of
the next defenseman. Datsyuk isn't ahead of any forward by that much in defense.
Read what you wrote and tell me that it isn't opinion based. You made a statement about what the primary job if a forward is. In many instances that isn't the case. It depends on the team and the system in place and what the coach asks of the player. When Babcock puts him with two bangers and plays him in a shut down role it's hard to argue his primary job us to score goals. Then when the line fails to score yet the coach, who is universally ranked top five, sticks with it because it's shutting down the opposition it becomes that much harder to say hus primary job us to score goals.
The rest of your post is how you value players. That's fine everyone is entitled to that. I don't really care if people rank him first or a hundred and first. It just irks me when people repeat overrated and defense doesn't matter. I'm sure you feel the same when people say they same about Karlsson except underrate his defense.
I know there's a lot more to hockey then just points, but this is a big one.
The main reasons that Datsyuk is so much better though aren't things you whip numbers out to prove. Just actually focus on each of them while they play. Toews is a fantastic player, he busts his hump on all 200 feet of the ice, he's got great hands and he's pretty all you could ask for in a hockey player. But Datsyuk is a one of kind player because of other things, because of his creativity, his unparalleled hockey sense, and the fact that he is constantly improving his game, trying new things, and plays like an 18-year-old even as he's gaining on 35.
Of course, Datsyuk can never be considered strong defensively, because he doesn't kill penalties, so Toews AINEC.
But Datsyuk does kill penalties in fact he is usually sent out there to kill off 5-on-3's.... so the debate rages on!
Toews hasn't had back to back 93 point seasons, his best season point wise was 76 2 years ago. Datsyuk has more points this year and he's playing alongside 2 4th line players. Then there is the fact that Datsyuk is superior defensively.