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03-17-2013, 04:59 PM
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Yeah, when you know there's a perfectly capable centre in Wellwood toiling in Winnipeg that could be had for next to nothing and we're trotting out the crap we are it really make you scratch your head. You have to wonder if Gillis is more worried about the optics of going back to Wellwood than trying to ice the best lineup possible. How has this not happened already? Get Wellwood and keep looking for upgrades at centre. If you find them and Wellwood gets forced out of the lineup, so be it.

If AV isn't on board, fire him.
I fully support bringing in Wellwood but Wellwood and the Canucks arent on good terms.

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Why are we assuming that Winnipeg has any interest in trading Wellwood?
We assume AV has any interest in having Wellwood back in Vancouver?

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Why are we assuming that Kyle Wellwood would have a positive impact on this team?

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Wellwood? Are you guys kidding?

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03-17-2013, 05:19 PM
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Oh Wellwood is just on fire this year with 2 goal, 5 assists in 25 games. He would sure help a lot...

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Yeah, Grabo is a guy that can usually go head to head with the opposition's top line and win those minutes. That would be a great fit in Vancouver, whether he teams up with Kesler on the 2nd line or finds himself on the 3rd line with guys like Hansen and Higgins.

The Canucks desperately need another natural centre with talent and with the emergence of Kadri, I could see the Leafs moving Grabovski for a talent like Luongo.

Gillis typically shies away from Russians but you have to think Grabovski's longterm contract would quell any fears he has.
At $5.5m I would not be interested. Even if they ate some I'm not sure it's enough to be the core piece in Luongo deal. The leafs fans blame Carlyle but they also want to get away from that contract asap.

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03-17-2013, 06:31 PM
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Why are we assuming that Kyle Wellwood would have a positive impact on this team?
Because he was better for us than anyone we've used at centre this season besides Henrik Sedin. When put in a top 6 role last year he was more productive than Ryan Kesler.

The guy is an upgrade. That's as much an indictment on Gillis' failings as anything else but it doesn't change the fact Wellwood would make this team better.

First it was Winnipeg wouldn't trade Wellwood and now people are saying he's useless? Which is it?

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At $5.5m I would not be interested. Even if they ate some I'm not sure it's enough to be the core piece in Luongo deal. The leafs fans blame Carlyle but they also want to get away from that contract asap.
How much are 25+ goal, 50+ point, defensively sound centre's worth?

I'd take Grabo in a second for Lu.

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03-17-2013, 06:36 PM
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Because he was better for us than anyone we've used at centre this season besides Henrik Sedin. When put in a top 6 role last year he was more productive than Ryan Kesler.

The guy is an upgrade. That's as much an indictment on Gillis' failings as anything else but it doesn't change the fact Wellwood would make this team better.

First it was Winnipeg wouldn't trade Wellwood and now people are saying he's useless? Which is it?
Well considering I'm not the one saying that Winnipeg wouldn't trade Wellwood I don't get why this is even being brought up.

Wellwood has the same amount of goals as Jordan Schroeder this season, and only 2 more assists. What makes you think he would be any better than Schroeder? I would rather call Schroeder up and play him in the role you'd give Wellwood, than give up assets for Kyle Wellwood. I don't see how he's an upgrade at all.

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03-17-2013, 06:38 PM
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I would love Fatty back on the team any day but Thanksgiving.

Would AV actually put Wellwood in the lineup though? AV's a bit of a blockhead.

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First it was Winnipeg wouldn't trade Wellwood and now people are saying he's useless? Which is it?
Much like Ballard is an upgrade over Alberts means little if the coach chooses not to use him.

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03-17-2013, 06:48 PM
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How much are 25+ goal, 50+ point, defensively sound centre's worth?

I'd take Grabo in a second for Lu.
You wouldn't like him by the time he's on the 3rd line getting the Carlyle treatment from AV. $5.5m is just way too much for what he'd bring as a 3C. As such I think he could be had for fairly cheap in the off season if you wanted him just so they can get back the cap space.

I'd rather look to deal Luongo elsewhere in the off season. Pull a deal where they take Luongo for 2013-14 and then trade him back and we amnesty buy him out (22m buyout) and they/he can resign a more cap friendly deal if it works out. Should get a much larger package. Use the buyout rules to our advantage. Buyout adds $22.5m over 8 years in cash hit (no cap hit) which is manageable for a rich team.

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03-17-2013, 06:51 PM
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Grabovski's contract sucks and he is laughably overrated, no thanks.

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You wouldn't like him by the time he's on the 3rd line getting the Carlyle treatment from AV. $5.5m is just way too much for what he'd bring as a 3C. As such I think he could be had for fairly cheap in the off season if you wanted him just so they can get back the cap space.

I'd rather look to deal Luongo elsewhere in the off season. Pull a deal where they take Luongo for 2013-14 and then trade him back and we amnesty buy him out (22m buyout) and he can resign a more cap friendly deal with them if he is happy in exchange for a much larger package. Use the buyout rules to our advantage.
What the hell is this? Firstly do you really think it's likely that Aquilini will be very happy and eager to sign a $22M cheque for nothing? Secondly, why would another team do this? If we amnesty buy-out Luongo who's to say he doesn't go off and sign elsewhere?

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03-17-2013, 06:55 PM
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What the hell is this? Firstly do you really think it's likely that Aquilini will be very happy and eager to sign a $22M cheque for nothing? Secondly, why would another team do this?
It's not a $22m cheque. It is 8 x $2.8m cheques. Which is far more palatable.

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That's their problem, they would need to work it out with Luongo before sending him back.

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Because he was better for us than anyone we've used at centre this season besides Henrik Sedin. When put in a top 6 role last year he was more productive than Ryan Kesler.

The guy is an upgrade. That's as much an indictment on Gillis' failings as anything else but it doesn't change the fact Wellwood would make this team better.

First it was Winnipeg wouldn't trade Wellwood and now people are saying he's useless? Which is it?
FWIW, I agree with your point of view. He's not putting up #s but they have him on the wing and we know how poor he is there. In SJ and here, he put up decent #'s and defensively his save % was high - he's not physical of course (which is problematic in the po) but he doesn't cough up the puck or lose his check.

Why AV doesn't like him I don't know...

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This is what I see as the skeleton roster for next year. Obviously some of the ?'s can be filled from within, but it's clear we need some major upgrades in certain areas. Our entire forward group, IMO needs to be revamped.

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It's not a $22m cheque. It is 8 x $2.8m cheques. Which is far more palatable.



That's their problem, they would need to work it out with Luongo before sending him back.
No, it's very much our problem. Why would they pay a premium for Luongo under the impression that they'll send him back here for us to compliance buy him out, only to have no security that he'll eventually re-sign there anyways? Your whole proposal makes no sense whatsoever.

His compliance buy-out is not the same as a buy-out cap hit.

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You wouldn't like him by the time he's on the 3rd line getting the Carlyle treatment from AV. $5.5m is just way too much for what he'd bring as a 3C.
5.5m for a 3rd line centre > 5.2m for a backup goalie.

Grabo is a good player having a sub par season, much like Lu.

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Wellwood? Are you guys kidding?
People here are seriously losing it.

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5.5m for a 3rd line centre > 5.2m for a backup goalie.

Grabo is a good player having a sub par season, much like Lu.
Well Schneider's having a subpar season too, but if we could trade him for a C who's NOT having a subpar season then perhaps it makes more sense to move him than it does Luongo for an overpaid 3C who's having a subpar season.

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It's not a $22m cheque. It is 8 x $2.8m cheques. Which is far more palatable.



That's their problem, they would need to work it out with Luongo before sending him back.
Are the Canucks not prohibited from re-signing him if they buy him out? I do wonder just how much in the way of offers Gillis has really received for Luongo. I fear that there may be zero interest in him.

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No, it's very much our problem. Why would they pay a premium for Luongo under the impression that they'll send him back here for us to compliance buy him out, only to have no security that he'll eventually re-sign there anyways? Your whole proposal makes no sense whatsoever.
So you wouldn't trust Luongo's word?

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His compliance buy-out is not the same as a buy-out cap hit.
It's not like the Canucks are bleeding money and besides it is Aqualini's money. If he's prepared to take a slow rolling hit to make his team better the GM should do it.

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