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03-17-2013, 07:07 PM
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Well Schneider's having a subpar season too, but if we could trade him for a C who's NOT having a subpar season then perhaps it makes more sense to move him than it does Luongo for an overpaid 3C who's having a subpar season.
In what world is Grabo a 3rd line centre? He's been in the top 30 for two seasons for crying out loud.

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03-17-2013, 07:08 PM
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So you wouldn't trust Luongo's word?



It is Aqualini's money. If he's prepared to take a slow rolling hit to make his team better the GM should do it.
No I wouldn't trust a player's word in this. When a player is a FREE AGENT and another teams comes around offering him $7M+ per season, while our original nudge nudge hush hush agreement was to pay him $4M per season, what do you think he's going to do? Again, the proposal makes no sense at all from any perspective. Do you really think Frank Aquilini will be happy about paying $22M for nothing?

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5.5m for a 3rd line centre > 5.2m for a backup goalie.

Grabo is a good player having a sub par season, much like Lu.
That is true for this year. For the next 4 years future years you'd be crying. If Grabovski was good enough to consider bumping Kesler from an offensive role to a defensive 1st line counter role or 2RW I'd do it. He isn't.

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03-17-2013, 07:09 PM
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In what world is Grabo a 3rd line centre? He's been in the top 30 for two seasons for crying out loud.
Just using the classification that you gave him, so I guess in your world?

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5.5m for a 3rd line centre > 5.2m for a backup goalie.

Grabo is a good player having a sub par season, much like Lu.

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That is true for this year. For the next 4 years future years you'd be crying.
No, not me. I love Grabo as a player and understand the value of being strong down the middle. Well worth the investment.

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03-17-2013, 07:10 PM
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Wellwood has the same amount of goals as Jordan Schroeder this season, and only 2 more assists. What makes you think he would be any better than Schroeder? I would rather call Schroeder up and play him in the role you'd give Wellwood, than give up assets for Kyle Wellwood. I don't see how he's an upgrade at all.
Because he's significantly better in the faceoff circle, better defensively and more apt to produce offense than Schroeder. When Wellwood played centre last season he put up 50 points - he averaged 18 goals a year as the Canucks 3rd line centre. He just didn't rack up any assists when paired with Steve Bernier and Tanner Glass.

Schroeder may get there one day, but as of right now, he isn't ready to centre a 3rd line on a playoff team. Wellwood on the other hand has gone head to head with decent players and stayed afloat. Something the team desperately needs right now.

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03-17-2013, 07:11 PM
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Just using the classification that you gave him, so I guess in your world?
He's a third line centre on our team like Lu is a backup on our team, clearly both are much better than that.

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Because he's significantly better in the faceoff circle, better defensively and more apt to produce offense than Schroeder. When Wellwood played centre last season he put up 50 points - he averaged 18 goals a year as the Canucks 3rd line centre. He just didn't rack up any assists when paired with Steve Bernier and Tanner Glass.

Schroeder may get there one day, but as of right now, he isn't ready to centre a 3rd line on a playoff team. Wellwood on the other hand has gone head to head with decent players and stayed afloat. Something the team desperately needs right now.
Then why isn't he doing it this year?

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03-17-2013, 07:13 PM
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He's a third line centre on our team like Lu is a backup on our team, clearly both are much better than that.
So I guess in our world, and in yours, he's a 3C?

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03-17-2013, 07:18 PM
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So I guess in our world, and in yours, he's a 3C?
You're arguing semantics to your own arguments detriment.

Grabovski would give the Canucks another offensively talented, left-handed draw at centre, albeit overpaid. Would his addition make the team better today? Yes, it he could be traded for the right price. Unfortunately, his price-tag would impede the teams ability to retain depth after this season.

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03-17-2013, 07:19 PM
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So I guess in our world, and in yours, he's a 3C?
Yes, you're right. I still think trading a backup goalie for a guy that is going to play in the playoffs is a good idea.

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Toronto can retain a portion of his salary.

Grabovski @ 3.5M - 4.5M is excellent value.

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03-17-2013, 07:22 PM
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No, not me. I love Grabo as a player and understand the value of being strong down the middle. Well worth the investment.
I wouldn't even be surprised if Nonis is willing to swallow a portion of the contract to get Luongo. Burke is the one that handed out that deal and with the emergence of Kadri it makes Grabo more expendable.

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03-17-2013, 07:23 PM
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FWIW, I agree with your point of view. He's not putting up #s but they have him on the wing and we know how poor he is there. In SJ and here, he put up decent #'s and defensively his save % was high - he's not physical of course (which is problematic in the po) but he doesn't cough up the puck or lose his check.

Why AV doesn't like him I don't know...
All he was doing yesterday is coughing up the puck. Has no compete level and is slow.

He has 7 points in 25 games.

Kesler had 7 points in 7 games.

But of course DTS doesn't want that comparison from this year.

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03-17-2013, 07:27 PM
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Toronto can retain a portion of his salary.

Grabovski @ 3.5M - 4.5M is excellent value.
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I wouldn't even be surprised if Nonis is willing to swallow a portion of the contract to get Luongo. Burke is the one that handed out that deal and with the emergence of Kadri it makes Grabo more expendable.

At $4m I'm interested but TO isn't.

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Then why isn't he doing it this year?
Because he's playing out of position, on the wing, in the bottom 6 of a poor offensive team. This is still the same player that produced like a 1st/2nd liner last year.

Look what he's done in the middle of the ice. He's been a productive forward that doesn't get scored against very often. I don't know if there was a top 9 player in the NHL on for less goals against per minute than Wellwood during his tenure in Vancouver. Teams just couldn't score when he was on the ice.

Wellwood usually wins around 55% of his draws - Schroeder isn't even at 45%. That faceoff ability alone is a huge advantage to have in the lineup.

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03-17-2013, 07:32 PM
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Because he's playing out of position, on the wing, in the bottom 6 of a poor offensive team. This is still the same player that produced like a 1st/2nd liner last year.

Look what he's done in the middle of the ice. He's been a productive forward that doesn't get scored against very often. I don't know if there was a top 9 player in the NHL on for less goals against per minute than Wellwood during his tenure in Vancouver. Teams just couldn't score when he was on the ice.

Wellwood usually wins around 55% of his draws - Schroeder isn't even at 45%. That faceoff ability alone is a huge advantage to have in the lineup.
Hmmm kinda like Schroeder playing on the FOURTH LINE with Sestito and Weise, on a poor offensive team? The Jets and Canucks have scored the exact same amount of goals this season, so as bad offensively as the Jets are, so are we.

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If Wellwood would be had for free he'd at least be an improvement. Emergency gap filler until bigger moves are made.

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All he was doing yesterday is coughing up the puck. Has no compete level and is slow.

He has 7 points in 25 games.

Kesler had 7 points in 7 games.

But of course DTS doesn't want that comparison from this year.
And Kesler was on for as many even strength goals against as Wellwood too. What do you think of that comparison?

I take it you didn't see Wellwood's setup for the tap-in goal? He was doing more than just coughing up the puck.

It's amazing to me that people think this guy is a poor defensive player. I guess some just can't wrap their head around how a small, slow, soft player can defend adequately.

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Hmmm kinda like Schroeder playing on the FOURTH LINE with Sestito and Weise, on a poor offensive team? The Jets and Canucks have scored the exact same amount of goals this season, so as bad offensively as the Jets are, so are we.
Yeah, except Wellwood was more productive in the NHL last season than Schroeder was in the AHL. You have to take into account these players body of work over the last few years to better judge what they're capable of.

Wellwood is the better player right now and has shown capable of elevating his play when it matters most.

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are you guys actually telling yourselfs Wellwood is any sort of solution...



Kyle Wellwood folks...Wellwood



Is this the sort of desperation it's gotten to? If MG's trade deadline is Kyle Wellwood I will go ballistic.

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Toronto can retain a portion of his salary.

Grabovski @ 3.5M - 4.5M is excellent value.
this would be the most ridiculous steal ever

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Grabovski's contract sucks and he is laughably overrated, no thanks.
actually, the opposite of everything you said! like, all of it! (except grabovski, he's still important)

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Because he's significantly better in the faceoff circle, better defensively and more apt to produce offense than Schroeder. When Wellwood played centre last season he put up 50 points - he averaged 18 goals a year as the Canucks 3rd line centre. He just didn't rack up any assists when paired with Steve Bernier and Tanner Glass.

Schroeder may get there one day, but as of right now, he isn't ready to centre a 3rd line on a playoff team. Wellwood on the other hand has gone head to head with decent players and stayed afloat. Something the team desperately needs right now.
Again, I ask you....does AV want him here. I have my strong doubts. Again I put up the Ballard example. If AV doesn't like you, you're not playing or on an extremely short leash. Few players are going to thrive that way.

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are you guys actually telling yourselfs Wellwood is any sort of solution...

Kyle Wellwood folks...Wellwood

Is this the sort of desperation it's gotten to? If MG's trade deadline is Kyle Wellwood I will go ballistic.
As a gap filler I'd consider it. We need something, anything, to fill in until Kesler gets sorted and MG can find a proper 3C.

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