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03-17-2013, 08:28 PM
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Count Chocula.
Ehh. Reeces Puffs will always be the cereal of the Gods.

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03-17-2013, 08:28 PM
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Hawks fan here... I liked the analogy that Dats is like Toews but with Kaner's hands... This allows him to be much more creative offensively than Toews. Which is not to say Toews couldn't do those things, Dats is just better at them.

However the comparison for me is more like Dats >= Toews, not Dats >>>>>>>>>>Toews like some make it out to be.
No one is making it out to be Datsyuk >>>>>>>Toews, I think most of us can agree that he is only slightly better. But a bunch of hawks fans are coming in here claiming Datsyuk =< Toews and that's where everyone disagrees.

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03-17-2013, 08:29 PM
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I don't know about that. Guess it would depend on the team and who they were facing. Pens would of beaten the flyers with Datsyuk last year, imo.
I do.

If I'm starting a franchise, that's one thing.

If I've got a 7 game series, I want the guy who owns the puck nearly every shift. I would match up Datsyuk against any center in the game, and I think he comes out on the plus side of the ledger.

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03-17-2013, 08:32 PM
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Ehh. Reeces Puffs will always be the cereal of the Gods.
and all bran flakes will always be a doctor's recommendation, not a choice.

serious though:

I hear all these things datsyuk is out there...but if there was '1' thing he is 'best' at? what is it?

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03-17-2013, 08:33 PM
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God.

It makes sense. I mean, he made the puck bounce when Burrows was on his breakaway.

God or Harry Potter.

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03-17-2013, 08:36 PM
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God.

It makes sense. I mean, he made the puck bounce when Burrows was on his breakaway.

God or Harry Potter.

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03-17-2013, 08:42 PM
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It's not even a debate. I take Toews any day and twice on Sundays.
  • PPG in the playoffs, 33% better production than Datsyuk is a BIG BIG margin.
  • Conn Smythe
  • Olympics MVP
Datsyuk's so-called offensive superiority is limited to fancy dangles that only work in the regular season. In the playoffs, you produce by winning physical battles, and only Toews has the size strength and grit for that type of play.

BTW, I'm one of the people who thought it was close, but when I saw this thread and thought about their respective playoff performances I changed my mind.

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03-17-2013, 08:46 PM
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A Red Wing?

We need another Datsyuk thread! What's his favorite cereal??
Fruity dangles

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03-17-2013, 08:50 PM
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Okay that made me spit out my Count Chocula.

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03-17-2013, 09:00 PM
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It's not even a debate. I take Toews any day and twice on Sundays.
  • PPG in the playoffs, 33% better production than Datsyuk is a BIG BIG margin.
  • Conn Smythe
  • Olympics MVP
Datsyuk's so-called offensive superiority is limited to fancy dangles that only work in the regular season. In the playoffs, you produce by winning physical battles, and only Toews has the size strength and grit for that type of play.

BTW, I'm one of the people who thought it was close, but when I saw this thread and thought about their respective playoff performances I changed my mind.

Since Toews has entered the league...

Postseasons with PPG or higher:

Datsyuk:
07-08: 23 pts in 22 games
09-10: 13 pts in 12 games
11-12: 15 pts in 11 games

Toews:
09-10: 29 pts in 22 games

Toews has been under a PPG player every postseason except his monster 2010 campaign.

Cherry picking playoffs stats is flawed.

From 02-06: Datsyuk was under .36 PPG in the postseason.

Since 2007: Datsyuk has turned it around and is .94 PPG in the postseason while playing a complete game.

Datsyuk is a +31 in the postseason since Toews has entered the league.

Toews, meanwhile, is a -2.

So to reply to your argument, "totally."

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03-17-2013, 09:01 PM
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People on this board like to say it is Canadians that get special love, when actually it is the opposite. Cripes, you would think Forsberg, Jagr and Datsyuk belong with Gretzky, Mario and Messier the way people overrate them all. Check the numbers. The numbers don't lie.

Toews is a better player that Datsyuk, or at least as good. Going forward, every team would choose Toews over Datsyuk. This board wouldn't.
Messier = 1.07 PPG player.
Jagr = 1.22 PPG player.

Numbers don't lie, as you said yourself. Gretzky and Lemieux are untouchable, Messier not so much!

"every team would choose Toews over Datsyuk" And I suppose you have spoken to every GM in the league? I think alot would take Toews over Datsyuk but that is because of the age differential, if they were both 34 I bet no one would take Toews.

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03-17-2013, 09:04 PM
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03-17-2013, 09:05 PM
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Cherry picking playoffs stats is flawed.
Which is exactly why you should use career playoff stats like I did.

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How the realignment affects Datsyuk

Will Datsyuk continue to shine in the east?

the east doesn't value 2-way hockey players like the west and might be exposed for years to come. He could get caught working hard in his own end, making it an unfair advantage with the east's pass first d.

It's an extremely high scoring conference that promotes zero defensive play, and is almost frowned upon.

All the east cares about is offense and hopefully Datsyuk can adjust, which I believe might be his greatest feat yet.

I guess time will only tell, and our questions answered on Datsyuk's ability to be the most well rounded player to lace them up, ever.

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03-17-2013, 09:05 PM
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Another failed attempt by MastuhNinks to hate on Datsyuk. Does Nazem Kadri still have better hands than Datsyuk also?

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03-17-2013, 09:06 PM
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time will tell, pretty special player. that's for sure

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03-17-2013, 09:07 PM
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Another failed attempt by MastuhNinks to hate on Datsyuk. Does Nazem Kadri still have better hands than Datsyuk also?
If Don Cherry thinks Kadri is ahead of Datsyuk, Jagr, Selänne, Hossa, Forsberg, Näslund, Sedins, Ovechkin, Kurri etc - it's true, got it?!

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Datsyuk didn't break out until he was about 27 years old.
Toews is still only 24.

Give him 10 more years and then we'll see how he compared.
One of the dumbest posts of the thread, my guess is you started watching Hockey after Chicago won.

Datsyuk didn't enter the league until he was 24. When he entered the league he played on the 4th line because the team was stacked with HOFer's. Datsyuk got top line minutes after the lockout, guess how old he was then ? When did Toews get top line minutes again ?

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03-17-2013, 09:08 PM
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You win, he's a magician.

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03-17-2013, 09:09 PM
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Realigning to the KHL will really hurt his game.

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03-17-2013, 09:11 PM
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How does daylight savings effect Datysuk?

I think the weariness of opposing players from losing an hour of sleep may help him boast his takeaway numbers even higher.

Sure, he loses an hour of sleep as well. But I don't think he sleeps anyway, he spends all night inventing new dekes.

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03-17-2013, 09:12 PM
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Im a huge Datsyuk fan and I have no problem saying he isnt better thantoews by a large margin. I think his creativity, unique style, maximized effectiveness despite lacking elite physical tools (ie,size, explosive speed, rocket shot), humble personality, obscure enigmatic background, and the fact that hes 35 and is likely gone after next season has really led to allot of people giving him his due.

EVERY boradcoast this year regardless or teamor network (NBC,TSN, CBC etc) allare giving Pavel allot of credit. Hes a rare player and its nice to see hes getting his recognition before he leaves. Toews is a beast in his own right ... but the torch hasnt been passed yet imo.

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03-17-2013, 09:19 PM
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I get a kick how people rail on Toews for his "intangibles" and yet the only arguments being made that Datsyuk is significantly better are literally intangible. Certainly the stats for the last 3 seasons don't support the assertion that Datsyuk is significantly better offensively. And yet every single person arguing Datsyuk is much better will tell you part of the reason is that he is much better offensively.

Fact of the matter is that Datsyuk can make highlight reel plays that stick out in people's memories and lead him to be thought of as better than he actually is. He is not much better than Toews.

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03-17-2013, 09:24 PM
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LMAO. That's my first time seeing that. The winking Datsyuk at the end still gets me after multiple views!

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EVERY boradcoast this year regardless or teamor network (NBC,TSN, CBC etc) allare giving Pavel allot of credit. Hes a rare player and its nice to see hes getting his recognition before he leaves. Toews is a beast in his own right ... but the torch hasnt been passed yet imo.
Last game I watched, the colour commentary guy said "broken up by Datsyuk" so many times that the analyst with him eventually sarcastically said "that's a surprise", followed by talk of amazement of how often that gets said when it happened again. And again. I remember checking the boxscore afterwards and noticing that somehow almost none of them ended up credited as takeaways... which is crazy to me, because they were by my standards. He also finishes a lot of checks without ending up with credit for hits in the boxscores. Oh, and he's amazing to watch with the puck.


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