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I'm not too interested in Grabovski, his cap hit is just plain bad.
And no, there is no way Toronto would keep part of his cap hit considering how long he is signed for.

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lol if toronto offered grabs -1.5m vancouver would take that and run so, so far
At $4m I'd be in. Worst case he's dealt onwards again to a team desperately seeking a 2C if it doesn't work out - something you couldn't easily do at $5.5m.

At $5.5m it's a bit tough to put the roster together. 23 man roster based on this years.

moved/bought out/lost to UFA - Raymond, Booth, Luongo, Ballard, Lapierre, Alberts, Barker, Sesisto

Traded for Goc, Weaver at this deadline (3C, RS depth), contracts carried over.

Tanev to $2m. Higgins to $2m. Alberts gets cut/replaced to $700K. Barker is a filler for $700K.

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Chris Higgins ($2.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
Nicklas Jensen ($0.894m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Steve Pinizzotto ($0.600m) / Marcel Goc ($1.700m) / Dale Weise ($0.677m)
Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /

Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Chris Tanev ($2.000m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Mike Weaver ($1.100m)
Depth ($0.750m) / Depth D ($0.700m)

Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)

Capspace $409,333

At 5.5m: Raymond+Lapierre Or Higgins+Goc.
At 4.5m: Raymond $3m over Higgins at $2m. Raymond+Schroeder vs Jensen+Goc.

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Chris Higgins ($2.000m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($4.015m—27.0%) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Steve Pinizzotto ($0.600m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.851m) / Dale Weise ($0.677m)
Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /


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I'm not too interested in Grabovski, his cap hit is just plain bad.
And no, there is no way Toronto would keep part of his cap hit considering how long he is signed for.
Maybe Nonis isn't interested in Grabovski either, due to the fact his cap hit his 'just plain bad'?

It comes down to what Nonis values more, Luongo at $6.8mil or Grabovski at $5.5mil. Considering their depth up front and lack of a bonafide starter it's definately something they would consider IMO.

The Canucks payed Luongo $6.8mil when the cap was almost 50% lower. That cap hit is right in line with other elite starters around the league.

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I've watched a few Leafs games, not impressed or unimpressed with Grabo. Considering the cap hit, pass.

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So, i've been harping on about a deal for Brassard...and while i'm not enamoured with the idea, others have been endlessly dropping Goc into proposals. What about going after both?

If we were able to move Booth+ to Columbus for Derick Brassard (tougher now that Booth is injured again, but realistically Columbus is looking at next year and beyond anyway). Then move a reasonable package of futures to Florida for Goc as many propose...fleshing that out, it actually looks like a really solid forward group when healthy. Goc would bring the LH faceoff guy that's needed for defensive zone draws and defensive assignments. Brassard brings the offensive creativity and point producer we desperately need.

Would give a ton of lineup flexibility. Some examples:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Hansen
Higgins-Brassard-Kassian
Goc-Lapierre-Weise

or if the situation lends itself to a 'shutdown 3rd line':

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Brassard-Kesler-Kassian
Higgins-Goc-Hansen
Raymond-Lapierre-Weise

or if you want some added toughness with the Twins:

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Raymond-Kesler-Burrows
Higgins-Brassard-Hansen
Goc-Lapierre-Weise


and on and on. The combinations open up dramatically with 5 capable Centers in the fold. You can play around endlessly with the permutations and lines suited for different roles. You can bump Lappy to the RW and have Goc centering the 4th line and sub in someone like Pinnizzotto or Sestito as a natural LW if you want. Lots of different possibilities there.

Defence and goaltending would stay 'as-is' for now, as would goaltending. You hope Edler+Garrison can play together and roll with:

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev

like the forward group, solid top-to-bottom if it meshes on the 2nd pairing.

Then come summer, you move Ballard out for whatever you can get (hopefully playing on a stable pairing with Tanev would raise his value somewhat), find a deal for Luongo that brings back a young defenceman to play on the bottom-pairing for now with room to grow, and some futures/picks/etc (recouping some of the assets spent on Goc and Brassard). As long as that young blueliner is ~$2M in salary, it'd be tight cap-wise, but it could work for next year as well if you can get the UFAs re-signed for reasonable rates (Higgins, Raymond, Lappy).

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What I'm hoping for is Phoenix being out of it close to the deadline as they currently sit in 9th.

An overpayment for Vermette is something that I'd definately explore.

Vermette and Torres (UFA) for Schroeder, 2nd and Connauton.

The 2nd round pick may be worth something to other teams but not to a team that rarely drafts NHL players at any level.

lineup shakes down as:

Sedin Sedin Burr
Higgins Kesler Raymond
Torres Vermette Hansen
Kassian Lappy Weise

if it's too much from PHX, then remove Torres and I'd still do it.

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What I'm hoping for is Phoenix being out of it close to the deadline as they currently sit in 9th.

An overpayment for Vermette is something that I'd definately explore.

Vermette and Torres (UFA) for Schroeder, 2nd and Connauton.

The 2nd round pick may be worth something to other teams but not to a team that rarely drafts NHL players at any level.

lineup shakes down as:

Sedin Sedin Burr
Higgins Kesler Raymond
Torres Vermette Hansen
Kassian Lappy Weise

if it's too much from PHX, then remove Torres and I'd still do it.
I have zero interest in bringing back Torres.

But i would be very on board with a Schroeder+2nd type package for Vermette at this point. I've mentioned many times before why i think he'd be pretty darn close to the perfect fit there. Reliable as a #3C, still capable of producing a substantial amount of offense, including being a viable fill-in for Kesler's sojourns to the Injured Reserve, and capable of moving up to 2nd line LW if needed and matching (or outproducing) Booth in that role while being miles better defensively and a better fit in his ability to share the puck with linemates fairly effectively. $3.75M sounds like a lot...but when you consider the versatility, faceoff prowess, and defensive reliability, easily worth it imo.

Unfortunately, Vermette is also a great fit in Phoenix. And it's hard to see them shipping him out at this point.

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I have zero interest in bringing back Torres.

But i would be very on board with a Schroeder+2nd type package for Vermette at this point. I've mentioned many times before why i think he'd be pretty darn close to the perfect fit there. Reliable as a #3C, still capable of producing a substantial amount of offense, including being a viable fill-in for Kesler's sojourns to the Injured Reserve, and capable of moving up to 2nd line LW if needed and matching (or outproducing) Booth in that role while being miles better defensively and a better fit in his ability to share the puck with linemates fairly effectively. $3.75M sounds like a lot...but when you consider the versatility, faceoff prowess, and defensive reliability, easily worth it imo.

Unfortunately, Vermette is also a great fit in Phoenix. And it's hard to see them shipping him out at this point.
Ya, the only thing I'm hoping is that they dont want that cap hit for another season because they're broke and realize they wont be getting any playoff revenue this season. I believe MG missed the boat pretty badly on that one last season when he gave up 2-4ths instead of a 2nd, 6th and a dump for him.

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Vermette seems like a Mike Gillis guy based on trade history and likes.

* signed until 2014-15. 2.5 years of contract left is something Gillis looks for (Ballard/Booth etc)

* $3.75m is affordable for a 3C, leaves rooms for other upgrades. Henrik Kesler Vermette Goc would be wicked 1/2/3/4 combination.

* very good faceoff guy


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What I'm hoping for is Phoenix being out of it close to the deadline as they currently sit in 9th.

An overpayment for Vermette is something that I'd definately explore.

Vermette and Torres (UFA) for Schroeder, 2nd and Connauton.

The 2nd round pick may be worth something to other teams but not to a team that rarely drafts NHL players at any level.

lineup shakes down as:

Sedin Sedin Burr
Higgins Kesler Raymond
Torres Vermette Hansen
Kassian Lappy Weise

if it's too much from PHX, then remove Torres and I'd still do it.
Radim Verbata would be a good scoop off of the dogs.

3 million cap hit, 35 goals last year, plus 25.

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Also, Phoenix would likely be interested in Schnieder because Mike Smith is up and in for a raise.

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Don't see the Canucks trading a goalie within division. Has to be a truly exceptional offer which seems very unlikely.

Also, the Canucks are running out of "steal deals" (Edler and Burrows already have raises, Higgins/Raymond might get small ones too, and then Hansen next summer) so Vermette's salary with the lower cap seems too high for this team.

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Don't see the Canucks trading a goalie within division. Has to be a truly exceptional offer which seems very unlikely.

Also, the Canucks are running out of "steal deals" (Edler and Burrows already have raises, Higgins/Raymond might get small ones too, and then Hansen next summer) so Vermette's salary with the lower cap seems too high for this team.

As a UFA, Raymond may well get $3M from someone.

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There has been talk of Dallas lookin' to unload some players based on where they're at.

Any interest in Jagr (what a 3rd line center he'd be, and would he help the PP?!), Fiddler, Morrow, Robidas, Oleksiak (could you pry him away with?)... etc.

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As a UFA, Raymond may well get $3M from someone.
agreed, he could be a nice "plan B" for a team that misses out on the Perry Sweepstakes. Someone like Pittsburgh would love him for 3 mill imo.

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There has been talk of Dallas lookin' to unload some players based on where they're at.

Any interest in Jagr (what a 3rd line center he'd be, and would he help the PP?!), Fiddler, Morrow, Robidas, Oleksiak (could you pry him away with?)... etc.

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Aquilini and Gaglardi doing a trade? I dunno.

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Don't see the Canucks trading a goalie within division. Has to be a truly exceptional offer which seems very unlikely.

Also, the Canucks are running out of "steal deals" (Edler and Burrows already have raises, Higgins/Raymond might get small ones too, and then Hansen next summer) so Vermette's salary with the lower cap seems too high for this team.
Quebec isn't in our division

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Quebec isn't in our division
Seattle is though.

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Aquilini and Gaglardi doing a trade? I dunno.
Yah, I'm of the same mind... don't really think it could happen BUT Gaglardi has said X is in the past and that they'd deal with Van. Time will tell, Dallas has some interesting pieces if we could snag a few.

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I don't think they would nix a trade with the other team as long as they feel they are "winning" the trade.

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Hey guys, talk on the trade rumors board from a Van fan:

Kassian + Jensen + Raymond/Booth + 1st/2nd for Gaborik + Boyle

Both Gaborik and Boyle are signed next year as well so it wouldn't be just a rental situation for the Canucks.

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Yuck, no thanks. Even if Gaborik had a really cap friendly deal I still see this as too much for him.

Gaborik is a great player, and the Canucks are going to have to part with good quality futures to get a great player (or whoever gets Gaborik), just don't see us gutting our future for one player over 30.

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Hey guys, talk on the trade rumors board from a Van fan:

Kassian + Jensen + Raymond/Booth + 1st/2nd for Gaborik + Boyle

Both Gaborik and Boyle are signed next year as well so it wouldn't be just a rental situation for the Canucks.
That is a disgusting overpayment. Our two best prospects, a top 6 forward and a first round pick? Not even close IMO.

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Hey guys, talk on the trade rumors board from a Van fan:

Kassian + Jensen + Raymond/Booth + 1st/2nd for Gaborik + Boyle

Both Gaborik and Boyle are signed next year as well so it wouldn't be just a rental situation for the Canucks.
Umm... no. Kassian and Jensen are really the only forwards with any immediate future for the big club, don't think Gillis would move them after moving Hodgson last year.

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