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03-18-2013, 12:10 AM
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I didn't like the Moroz choice and like it less now but it's far too early to write him or the choice off. It wil take years to properly assess this draft choice.

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03-18-2013, 12:13 AM
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"They still like the terrible player we took at #32" just screams "THEY SHOULD ALL BE FIRED" more than anything.




I think drafting a FORWARD who played in the CHL and scored 20 points in his draft year year and 30 points the year following is beyond a terrible fail. I think doing that in the range that good teams consider first round picks shows that your staff can't do anything but pick #1s.

By the way - outside of first round picks - what Oiler prospects are challenging for top 9 or top 4 duty next year? Keep in mind this team has had a pick at #31 or #32 3 years running.
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03-18-2013, 12:13 AM
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I think you did.

All Moroz has done his entire career is be a goon. Expecting him to magically become something else is insane.

Using stats is the easiest way to project prospects.
Watching helps too. You are in in Edmonton. You should try it

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03-18-2013, 12:14 AM
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I think you did.

All Moroz has done his entire career is be a goon. Expecting him to magically become something else is insane.

Using stats is the easiest way to project prospects.
Easiest way to come to an inaccurate, premature conclusion then overreact about said conclusion, sure.

There's a lot of differences and similarities between Lucic(the best case scenario) and Moroz that aren't at all accounted for by comparing sets of 4 or 5 numbers.


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03-18-2013, 12:37 AM
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"Best" 31st/32nd picks of the last 34 years:

1979 D Lindy Ruff - 3rd pairing defenceman
1983 C John Tucker - 2nd/3rd line center
1984 C Tony Hrkac - 1 dimensional 2nd line center
1985 D Eric Weinrich - 2nd pairing defenceman
1989 D Bob Boughner - 3rd pairing defenceman
1990 G Felix Potvin - starting goalie
1991 D Jamie Pushor - 3rd pairing defenceman
1993 L James Pandolfo - 3rd line checking winger
1995 L Georges Laraque - 4th line goon
1995 C Marc Chouinard - 4th line center
2001 C Derek Roy - 2nd line center
2004 C Dave Bolland - 2nd/3rd line center
2008 D Slava Voynov - 1st/2nd pairing defenceman
2008 G Jacob Markstrom - *potential* starting goalie

Note that I used BOTH the 31st and 32nd pick, which means that teams have found a decent player with 13 out of 68 picks (Markstrom is still potential at this point).

Out of these 13 players, the only ones that weren't 3rd pairing defencemen or bottom 6 wingers were Weinrich, Potvin, Roy, Bolland, and Voynov.

Pitlick, Lander, Musil, and Moroz could be better, but even the 31st pick is a crapshoot.

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03-18-2013, 01:23 AM
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So many players don't turn out to be anything if he becomes something then that's great. However you could have even traded that pick for something and probably gotten something better than what he looks like he will be. I hope he turns into something solid down the road but I won't hold my breath.

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03-18-2013, 01:36 AM
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I hate it how if a player is tough as nails, and plays fundamentally sound hockey he is automatically labeled as a goon just because he is a good fighter. Abney is a goon, Brown is not a goon, Moroz is not a goon.

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03-18-2013, 02:56 AM
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And an absolutely terrible use of of the 32nd pick in a draft. guys like that are a dime a dozen - pretty sure we just waived one of them. I used Lucic because saying "he might be him" is the ONLY justifiable reason to use a pick that high on that type of player.
How about considering him as a bigger Brandon Prust? Prust had better numbers in junior but played on an absolute offensive powerhouse of a team in London.

Prust
Draft Year: 64 19 33 52 269
Year After: 48 10 20 30 174
Rookie Pro: 79 12 14 26 294

Moroz
Draft Year: 66 16 9 25 131
Year After: 69 13 21 34 140
Rookie Pro: ?

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03-18-2013, 04:09 AM
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How about considering him as a bigger Brandon Prust? Prust had better numbers in junior but played on an absolute offensive powerhouse of a team in London.

Prust
Draft Year: 64 19 33 52 269
Year After: 48 10 20 30 174
Rookie Pro: 79 12 14 26 294

Moroz
Draft Year: 66 16 9 25 131
Year After: 69 13 21 34 140
Rookie Pro: ?
If Moroz turns into another Prust, that's a steal of a pick.

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03-18-2013, 02:52 PM
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PDO takes a lot of heat around these parts. I disagree with him on some matters, but he understands hockey and football (he's also gotten a lot of criticism in the Esks thread) and his opinions are well reasoned.

On the Moroz draft choice, I think Moroz deserved to be a third- or fourth-rounder, and it was a reach for him to go as high as he did. I doubt he has an NHL career, but we'll see. I think if Samuelsson had been available the Oilers would have taken him. Sammy has taken a step up this season, too.

Also notable is that Jankowski has gotten into the top 25. Maybe the Flames will be vindicated for taking him as high as they did. And Galchenyuk, the guy I would have taken No. 1 overall, has moved up to second overall, according to the scouts.

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03-18-2013, 02:55 PM
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Moroz was going to go somewhere between the Oilers 2nd and 3rd round pick.

I find it very hard to believe otherwise.

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03-18-2013, 03:09 PM
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Well ,if some of these big bodies can make the NHL, I will be happy.

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03-18-2013, 04:07 PM
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Does anyone know where Klefbom was ranked for 2011? I think he would have a chance (at this point) of moving ahead of:

7. Mark Scheifele
11. Duncan Siemens
13. Sven Baertschi
14. Jamie Oleksiak
15. JT Miller
17. Nathan Beaulieu
18. Mark McNeil

I remember wanting McNeil so bad on draft day, but we did well anyway. Probably a better prospect than McNeil at this point.

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03-18-2013, 04:19 PM
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What else would you call a 19 year old forward who was .5 PPG but had 140 PIM?

For reference, Milan Lucic had 30 goals and was a PPG as a 19 year old.
He is not a 19 year old forward. He is an 18 year old forward. He can play 2 more years in the WHL if the Oilers want him too. Next season you can compare those with Lucic or Kyle Clifford

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03-18-2013, 05:04 PM
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Stu..........?

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"They still like the terrible player we took at #32" just screams "THEY SHOULD ALL BE FIRED" more than anything.




I think drafting a FORWARD who played in the CHL and scored 20 points in his draft year year and 30 points the year following is beyond a terrible fail. I think doing that in the range that good teams consider first round picks shows that your staff can't do anything but pick #1s.

By the way - outside of first round picks - what Oiler prospects are challenging for top 9 or top 4 duty next year? Keep in mind this team has had a pick at #31 or #32 3 years running.
I agree, remember when everyone was saying Stu McGregor was a genius for drafting Hall, Eberle, Nugent Hopkins..........?.................What happened to the other draftees?

I guess the genius came down to earth!

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