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03-18-2013, 10:15 AM
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That is a disgusting overpayment. Our two best prospects, a top 6 forward and a first round pick? Not even close IMO.
I was assuming Booth would be a cap dump, no?

You can keep Booth/Raymond, I assumed cap had to be coming back.

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03-18-2013, 10:19 AM
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Hey guys, talk on the trade rumors board from a Van fan:

Kassian + Jensen + Raymond/Booth + 1st/2nd for Gaborik + Boyle

Both Gaborik and Boyle are signed next year as well so it wouldn't be just a rental situation for the Canucks.
Holy overpayment Batman!

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03-18-2013, 10:21 AM
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I was assuming Booth would be a cap dump, no?

You can keep Booth/Raymond, I assumed cap had to be coming back.
Booth is a cap dump, Raymond isn't but he is an upcoming FA so his value isnt incredibly high

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03-18-2013, 10:22 AM
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Booth is a cap dump, Raymond isn't but he is an upcoming FA so his value isnt incredibly high
Would Kassian + Jensen + Booth + 2nd be a better deal?

I wasn't sure which player you guys would rather get rid of.

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03-18-2013, 10:23 AM
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Hey guys, talk on the trade rumors board from a Van fan:

Kassian + Jensen + Raymond/Booth + 1st/2nd for Gaborik + Boyle

Both Gaborik and Boyle are signed next year as well so it wouldn't be just a rental situation for the Canucks.
I would have to say no. I like Gaborik, but we need to rely on Kassian and Jensen making the team next year in order to afford a big contract like Gaborik. I wouldn't be opposed to moving one of them though.

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03-18-2013, 10:25 AM
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Would Kassian + Jensen + Booth + 2nd be a better deal?

I wasn't sure which player you guys would rather get rid of.
Nope.

Right now, we have three glaring holes on this team.
We're not going to trade most of our biggest trade assets to fill one hole in our lineup, especially considering his cap hit which we likely couldn't afford next season.

I would only want Gaborik if he came cheap, and our top two prospects+ is not cheap.

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03-18-2013, 10:25 AM
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Hey guys, talk on the trade rumors board from a Van fan:

Kassian + Jensen + Raymond/Booth + 1st/2nd for Gaborik + Boyle

Both Gaborik and Boyle are signed next year as well so it wouldn't be just a rental situation for the Canucks.
I'd rather bomb the rest of the season and get a high draft pick than do that trade.

If that trade goes down, the only thing I can picture is a photo of Gillis and Sather in bed together with Sather smoking his cigar with a giant grin and Gillis curled up in the corner.

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03-18-2013, 10:26 AM
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Would Kassian + Jensen + Booth + 2nd be a better deal?

I wasn't sure which player you guys would rather get rid of.
I just don't think a deal is in the cards, I would love Gaborik on this team, but Kassian and Jensen in the same deal is just a no go for me. We would essentially be going all in with this core and by the looks of it this year, I'm not confident in it netting us a cup. We have arguably the worst prospect pool in the league, and really cannot afford giving up our two best in a deal for a prime/older player imo.

This is because I don't want to have to tank rebuild in the future, I would rather sell of our dead weight, stock up on prospects and retool then commit to "winning now"

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03-18-2013, 10:30 AM
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Alright fair enough. What would be a more suitable offer keeping in mind there will be other offers:

Kassian + Gaunce + 1st + Booth for Gaborik + Boyle?

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Would Kassian + Jensen + Booth + 2nd be a better deal?

I wasn't sure which player you guys would rather get rid of.
That's the type of deal that could've gotten the Canucks Nash prior to this season rather than Gaborik.

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Alright fair enough. What would be a more suitable offer keeping in mind there will be other offers:

Kassian + Gaunce + 1st + Booth for Gaborik + Boyle?
There's nobody in the whole league that will give up those type of assets for Gaborik. You know what Heatley got traded for? Yeah, you'll be getting that type of a return.

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03-18-2013, 10:33 AM
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Alright fair enough. What would be a more suitable offer keeping in mind there will be other offers:

Kassian + Gaunce + 1st + Booth for Gaborik + Boyle?
You're not going to like the answer, yet again.
You're not even close for me to consider that.

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love your avatar NYR Boyler87

not sold on your deal though, we really can't offer too much for Gaborik, I think there are many teams that could easily outbid us

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You're not going to like the answer, yet again.
You're not even close for me to consider that.


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That's the type of deal that could've gotten the Canucks Nash prior to this season rather than Gaborik.



There's nobody in the whole league that will give up those type of assets for Gaborik. You know what Heatley got traded for? Yeah, you'll be getting that type of a return.

Would Nash have waived his NMC to Vancouver? Could the Canucks have fit Nash's contract for the foreseeable future?

Yeah, I don't think so. But to each their own. Heatley requested a trade.

Let me ask you this, what will Iginla return this season? He is a pending UFA.

1st + top prospect + NHL player (most likely)

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love your avatar NYR Boyler87

not sold on your deal though, we really can't offer too much for Gaborik, I think there are many teams that could easily outbid us


Thanks!

That's fair, just figured I would check.

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03-18-2013, 10:40 AM
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on the Iginla front, I heard the value was something like Jonathon Bernier which isnt equivalent to a good prospect + 1st imo

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The Canucks cannot afford Gaborik's $7.5 mil cap hit next season, especially since we'd be trading away guys who'd have low cap hits next season to keep us under the cap (Kassian and Jensen).

It also doesn't help that our prospect pool lacks depth of high end prospects.

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Let me ask you this, what will Iginla return this season? He is a pending UFA.

1st + top prospect + NHL player (most likely)
Well, Marian Hossa (and Pascal Dupuis) returned a bunch of spare parts, bad prospect and a 1st. So if Iginla returns more, then somebody overpaid. Could be argued that his contract status gives him more value, not less.

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The Canucks cannot afford Gaborik's $7.5 mil cap hit next season, especially since we'd be trading away guys who'd have low cap hits next season to keep us under the cap (Kassian and Jensen).

It also doesn't help that our prospect pool lacks depth of high end prospects.
and if we were to get Gaborik, we would need to fill out our lineup with ELCs

like Kassian and Jensen

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03-18-2013, 10:42 AM
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Let me ask you this, what will Iginla return this season? He is a pending UFA.

1st + top prospect + NHL player (most likely)
And I wouldn't give up that for Iginla either. He's old and an upcoming UFA.
Some teams are able to afford that, the Canucks are not.

And personally I value Iginla more. He's a leader and much grittier. (and I think he'd be much more hungry for a cup)

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Would Nash have waived his NMC to Vancouver? Could the Canucks have fit Nash's contract for the foreseeable future?

Yeah, I don't think so. But to each their own. Heatley requested a trade.

Let me ask you this, what will Iginla return this season? He is a pending UFA.

1st + top prospect + NHL player (most likely)





Thanks!

That's fair, just figured I would check.
Nash and Gaborik's cap hits are within $300k of eachother, we could afford Nash as much as we can Gaborik ie. not very easily, especially if we're giving up affordable young pieces we hope to build around.

I imagine Gillis kicked the tires on Gaborik to see if he could get him on the very cheap.

What you're proposing isn't cheap, and Gaborik for me isn't the type of player you do that for.

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Well, Marian Hossa (and Pascal Dupuis) returned a bunch of spare parts, bad prospect and a 1st. So if Iginla returns more, then somebody overpaid. Could be argued that his contract status gives him more value, not less.
At the time of the Hossa deal, Armstrong and Christensen were considered good young players. Esposito was a former 1st rounder as well. Of course in hindsight that deal looks terrible for Atlanta but their management was beyond bad.

You have to think that Gaborik's contract status will be a plus for quite a few teams looking to pay for more than just a 12 game rental. Maybe not for the Canucks, but maybe a team like Nashville, Detroit or LA.

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Well, Marian Hossa (and Pascal Dupuis) returned a bunch of spare parts, bad prospect and a 1st. So if Iginla returns more, then somebody overpaid. Could be argued that his contract status gives him more value, not less.
Agree. If Gaborik really is on the block, NYR are going to be disappointed in how little he returns, IMO.

 
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And I wouldn't give up that for Iginla either. He's old and an upcoming UFA.
Some teams are able to afford that, the Canucks are not.

And personally I value Iginla more. He's a leader and much grittier. (and I think he'd be much more hungry for a cup)
I wouldn't may that for any rental, but some team will. Gaustad returned a 1st last year. Dominic Moore has returned 2nd rounders many times. Those are depth guys.

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Nash and Gaborik's cap hits are within $300k of eachother, we could afford Nash as much as we can Gaborik ie. not very easily, especially if we're giving up affordable young pieces we hope to build around.

I imagine Gillis kicked the tires on Gaborik to see if he could get him on the very cheap.

What you're proposing isn't cheap, and Gaborik for me isn't the type of player you do that for.
The difference is Nash's contract is much longer.

That's fine. I understand.

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Does anyone else think that getting rid of Booth and clearing some cap space to give Heatley a chance on our team would be a realistic and good idea? He only has one year remaining on his contract after this year and he could solve our secondary scoring problem alongside Kesler. Just because he's been struggling with the Wild this year doesn't mean he can't succeed with the Canucks.

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We can't afford to give up our two best prospects AND a first AND Booth for Gaborik. You never know what you're gonna get out of him.

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Does anyone else think that getting rid of Booth and clearing some cap space to give Heatley a chance on our team would be a realistic and good idea? He only has one year remaining on his contract after this year and he could solve our secondary scoring problem alongside Kesler. Just because he's been struggling with the Wild this year doesn't mean he can't succeed with the Canucks.
I don't know how he would work with our cap situation in the offseason, but if we could make it work without losing anyone important because of the cap I would try it. Depends on the price obviously, woudnt give Jensen/Kassian/1st rounder

so he would have to be really cheap

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