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How many Canadian teams can you make that would contend for a medal?

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05-03-2012, 09:32 PM
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Both played for Canada at the WJC, but if they couldn't crack Canada may accept an invite. I am not sure the history of both players nationalities, but I assume they both feel they are "Canadian" hockey players.
They are locked in to playing for Canada because of the appearances at the IIHF sanctioned WJCs. So they can't play for the US anyways.

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05-03-2012, 09:39 PM
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Yeah 1972, where the Canadians showed up completely out of shape and unprepared and still managed to beat the well oiled russian machine. I'm glad you brought that up!

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Lol, how can Canadian fans determine level of their team if they have no idea who the 90% of players from opposition are?

It's like the 1972, when they thought they were playing a bunch of amateurs, remember that over-hyping? This isn't much different.
Well considering the majority of the best players from other countries play in the NHL, this is an extremely poor example. To extend it even further, KHL and other European leagues are still available to watch to a degree, and we can see that various former NHL players have gone over and done quite well in those leagues, giving some level of the competition. This is a very different thing. A valiant effort on your part though.

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Well considering the majority of the best players from other countries play in the NHL, this is an extremely poor example. To extend it even further, KHL and other European leagues are still available to watch to a degree, and we can see that various former NHL players have gone over and done quite well in those leagues, giving some level of the competition. This is a very different thing. A valiant effort on your part though.
Sure, but I'm willing to bet that something like 99% of North Americans have never seen a KHL match in their life and still think that Kozlov's, Kovalev and Yashin are at the top of KHL and should still be on the National team. Since there is VERY little hyping of players from Europe, I bet most NA fans wouldn't know the first thing about 80~90% of the Czech, Finnish, Swedish and Russian rosters. And that would extend to to the current generation of players growing up in that part of the world.

Some people, like scouts, are an exception- but they are few and far in between. Everyone else is just guessing on per-concieved notions, which are very outdated.

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05-04-2012, 01:48 AM
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Yeah 1972, where the Canadians showed up completely out of shape and unprepared and still managed to beat the well oiled russian machine. I'm glad you brought that up!
Congrats for missing the point

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05-04-2012, 02:26 AM
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Congrats for missing the point
Seeing as the "point" was to directly compare the lack of knowledge Canada had of the Soviet team in 1972 to the knowledge they have of European players today, the "point" hardly seemed worth responding to.

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05-04-2012, 02:58 AM
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Seeing as the "point" was to directly compare the lack of knowledge Canada had of the Soviet team in 1972 to the knowledge they have of European players today, the "point" hardly seemed worth responding to.
Why did't you respond to that then rather than making a statement that had nothing to do with the argument? Or is this one of those cases of this thing they call irony?

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Fantastic players and epic depth. But are they good teams ?

The best of sweden, finland or russia could beat all of those 3 teams. Just as those 3 teams could beat the best of them. It all comes down to form, coaching and how well they can perform as a team.

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A couple of things:

1. I really hope the "no one in Canada will be watching the World Cup" was a joke, seeing as more Canadians watched the 2010 World Cup Final (5.8 Mil) than watched the finals that year (3.1 average)

2. I don't think the point should be that Canada has 3 teams better than anyone else, as the top team this season in the NHL still had 31 combined losses, while the worst team still had 29 wins

3. I agree that many NA fans don't know most of the non-NHL players from other countries. That said, most selected players come Olympics time will be from the NHL

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05-04-2012, 08:26 AM
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To be honest, it would be a little bit embarrassing if Canada wouldn't be more stacked then other countries. Sweden, US, Germany and Russia at least have football teams that qualify for tournaments. Canada only has hockey.

And hey, remember when Sweden beat Lemiux and co. with 5-2 at the '02 Olympics?

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USA's attempt at it

Parise-Kane-Wheeler
Cole-Pavelski-Callahan
Umberger-Legwand-Okposo
M Foligno-Cullen-Larose
Connolly

Suter-Byfuglien
Goligoski-Whitney
Orpik-Myers?
Gardiner

Quick
Anderson
Bachman
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Pacioretty-Backes-Pominville
Higgins-Kesler-Booth
N Foligno-Stepan-Stafford
Gerbe-Smith-Boyle
Mueller

Yandle-E Johnson
Fowler-Bogosian
J. Johnson-Leddy
Faulk

Miller
Schneider
Boucher
-------------------------------

JvR-Stastny-Kessel
Malone-Oshie-Brown (Awesome line)
Gionta-Galchenyuk-Wilson
Dubinsky-Couturier?-Stempniak
Abdelkader

Mcdonagh-Carlson
Petry-Shattenkirk
Gleason-Wisniewski
Carle

Howard
Thomas (if playing)
Bishop
3 Canadians, and 1 likely Russian (Glachenyuk).

You could add Krieder (He has represented USA in two WC`s already), Jonathan Blum on D,

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05-05-2012, 01:41 AM
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It is amazing how Canada is just the 5th best hockey country in the world with such a good players. It must be the team play that doesn't sync

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05-05-2012, 02:33 AM
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To be honest, it would be a little bit embarrassing if Canada wouldn't be more stacked then other countries. Sweden, US, Germany and Russia at least have football teams that qualify for tournaments. Canada only has hockey.

And hey, remember when Sweden beat Lemiux and co. with 5-2 at the '02 Olympics?
European Football isn't really treated like a serious sport in Canada. Although there's lots of participation especially at the youth level, almost all the best athletes go into other sports that are better coached and better funded and have better facilities.

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05-05-2012, 06:08 PM
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3 Canadians, and 1 likely Russian (Glachenyuk).

You could add Krieder (He has represented USA in two WC`s already), Jonathan Blum on D,
Galchenyuk has already stated he would play for USA, no? Speaking of whom, he would be a huge addition for the USA for years to come.

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03-18-2013, 12:57 AM
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How many team Canada's can you make that would contend for a medal?

How many team Canada's can you make that would contend for a medal?

A)

Stamkos-Crosby-St Louis
Nash-Giroux-Perry
E. Staal-Toews-Tavares
M. Richards-Bergeron-Spezza

Boyle-Seabrook
Subban-Myers
Burns-Hamhuis

Cam Ward
Carey Price

B)

Iginla-Getzlaf-Neal
Skinner-Duchene-Hall
Neal-Thorton-Couture
Sharp-RNH-Eberle

Weber-Keith
Letang-Pietrangelo
Doughty-Staal

Luongo
MA Fluery

C)

Marleau-J. Staal-Ladd
Lecavalier -B. Richards-Pavelski
Purcell-O'Reiley-E. Kane
Raymond-Kadri-Marchand

Phaneuf-J. Shultz
Souray-Beauchemin
Bouwmeester-Giordano

Help me out...
Dont forget about MacKinnon and Drouin for potential 4th liners.



D)

Doan-Roy-Wheeler
Cammelari-


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03-18-2013, 02:17 AM
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No more than 1.

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03-18-2013, 04:14 AM
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I'd say 3 for sure.

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03-18-2013, 05:03 AM
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03-18-2013, 07:25 AM
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If you spread things out evenly I would say there could be three that would be solid medal contenders. If you just wanted to make teams that have a slight chance, possibly five.

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I made 4 equally good teams and I think each one of the teams would be a medal contender. At least on NHL size rink.


Team Canada - 'A'

Nash - Giroux - Briere
J.Carter - B.Richards - Perron
Skinner - Seguin - Horton
E.Kane - O'Reilly - Sharp
13th: Simmonds

Hamhuis - Pietrangelo
Coburn - Boyle
Phaneuf - Justin Schultz
7th: Hamonic

Brodeur, Dubnyk, Emery


Team Canada 'B'

E.Staal - Stamkos - St.Louis
J.Staal - Spezza - Justin Williams
Lupul - Nugent-Hopkins - Conacher
Lucic - Roy - Kunitz
13th: Burrows

Keith - Seabrook
Pronger* - Green
Brewer - Girardi
7th: Wideman

Luongo, Crawford, Bernier


Team Canada 'C'

Tavares - Crosby - Neal
Benn - Getzlaf - Perry
Moulson - Lecavalier - Duchene
Marchand - Bergeron - Doan
13th: Kadri

Letang - Doughty
M.Staal - Burns
Bouwmeester - Vlasic
7th: Beauchemin

Price, Fleury, Biron


Team Canada 'D'

Hall - Toews - Eberle
Marleau - Thornton - Iginla
Ladd - McDonald - Parenteau
Hartnell - M.Richards - Couture
13th: Gagner

Del Zotto - Weber
B. Stuart - Subban
B.Campbell - Franson
7th: Bieksa

M.Smith, Ward, Harding

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Pavelski is American.

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03-18-2013, 11:39 AM
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I think we could pull together and ice 2 very strong teams that would contend for medals if we top-loaded them, though I'd really only feel comfortable starting Price and Luongo at the Olympic level at this point, so they'd need to be separated and on different teams.

I haven't played it out, but my instinct is that Team #3 would have a very solid group of forwards, be a bit thin and inexperienced on defence and have mediocre goaltending.

By "spreading the wealth" (i.e., taking full NHL lines and bringing guys like Marchand, Dupuis and Kunitz into play), we could probably field 4-5 pretty good teams, but perhaps none would be strong medal favorities.

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03-18-2013, 11:43 AM
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I think we could pull together and ice 2 very strong teams that would contend for medals if we top-loaded them, though I'd really only feel comfortable starting Price and Luongo at the Olympic level at this point, so they'd need to be separated and on different teams.

I haven't played it out, but my instinct is that Team #3 would have a very solid group of forwards, be a bit thin and inexperienced on defence and have mediocre goaltending.

By "spreading the wealth" (i.e., taking full NHL lines and bringing guys like Marchand, Dupuis and Kunitz into play), we could probably field 4-5 pretty good teams, but perhaps none would be strong medal favorities.
Team 1

Kane Crosby Neal
Nash Spezza Eberle
Marleau Couture Iginla
Ladd J. Staal Kunitz
Lecavalier

M. Staal Pietrangelo
Vlasic Doughty
Phaneuf Coburn
Weaver

Luongo
Smith
Reimer

Team 2

Benn Stamkos St. Louis
Skinner E. Staal Seguin
Sharp Toews M. Richards
Perron Duchene Parenteau
Schenn

Subban Weber
Bouwmeester Boyle
Beauchemin Burns
Del Zotto

Ward
Crawford
Dubnyk

Team 3

Hall Getzlaf Perry
Moulson Tavares Giroux
Marchand Bergeron Carter
Ribeiro Zajac Clarkson
Thornton

Hamhuis Letang
Keith Seabrook
Campbell Girardi
Franson

Price
Fleury
Brodeur

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The first group is an obvious Gold Medal contender, but when you get down to the second and third level teams, I see that the players listed are more or less the same guys who have competed in the World Championships in recent years, and these teams have not medaled since 2009, and not won a Gold since 2007.

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The first group is an obvious Gold Medal contender, but when you get down to the second and third level teams, I see that the players listed are more or less the same guys who have competed in the World Championships in recent years, and these teams have not medaled since 2009, and not won a Gold since 2007.
Each team I listed is quite a bit better than any Canadian WC team since at least 2008.

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