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03-18-2013, 12:09 PM
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I honestly think we need to stay the course unless we are trading to get a high end young talent (Couturier type). If we end up trading our top prospects and top picks to "maybe" do something in the first round then I'm out on that plan. The dominoes don't seem to falling this year (so far) if it continues that way then I would trade Lappy, Higgins, Raymond for more picks and almost ready prospects for those players.

I love this team but we are a 2007 draft away from being really screwed in a few years.


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03-18-2013, 12:17 PM
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Two players which have to be traded at/before the deadline are Ballard and Luongo/Schneider.
We need help now, and it doesn't help when Ballard is in the press box every night and one of Luongo/Schneider is sitting on the bench all game.

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I think we need to make a push this year as we don't know how many more years before a partial rebuild will be needed. To that end, I hope we trade one of our goalies for some offensive help on the top two lines. Make a deal for a third line center as well or possibly acquire one in a package with the goalie.
Other than that, we need our current players and especially our defence to play to potential.
There's no reason why we can't make a playoff run with those additions and Kesler back. Of course, someone knocking Chicago out would also help.

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03-18-2013, 12:24 PM
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We need help now, and it doesn't help when Ballard is in the press box every night
It doesn't help Ballard's trade value either.

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Honestly? There are only 2 main needs.

#1. We need a Malhotra.

This team was at it's best with a pure, faceoff winning, defensive 3rd line center. It allowed players like Kesler to be freed up to play offensively, it improves our puck possession and PK. It stabilizes our bottom 6. AV's strategy, line matching, etc. requires this type of player on the team.


#2. We need a PP specialist.

Without Kesler this year we have no PP. Without an above average PP we are not winning games, either in the regular season or the playoffs. The big reason we are slumping so much this year? Our PP is currently 27th in the league and have been top 5 the last 2 seasons (I believe #1 and #4).

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03-18-2013, 12:47 PM
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Honestly? There are only 2 main needs.

#1. We need a Malhotra.

This team was at it's best with a pure, faceoff winning, defensive 3rd line center. It allowed players like Kesler to be freed up to play offensively, it improves our puck possession and PK. It stabilizes our bottom 6. AV's strategy, line matching, etc. requires this type of player on the team.


#2. We need a PP specialist.

Without Kesler this year we have no PP. Without an above average PP we are not winning games, either in the regular season or the playoffs. The big reason we are slumping so much this year? Our PP is currently 27th in the league and have been top 5 the last 2 seasons (I believe #1 and #4).
#1 NO NO NO!!!!! Defensive specialist Center is not going to help the Canucks be better than they are now. They need a Center who can create offense!!! He'll need to be smart defensively but getting another Manny is not going to change the Canucks enough to make them a team who can compete night in and night out with the top teams in the West.

#2 What they really need to Garrison to learn how to shoot Right, but that's not gonna happen so they need to find a RS Dman who has a bomb but 5 on 5 is more of a stay at home defensive dman.

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03-18-2013, 12:47 PM
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Honestly? There are only 2 main needs.

#1. We need a Malhotra.

This team was at it's best with a pure, faceoff winning, defensive 3rd line center. It allowed players like Kesler to be freed up to play offensively, it improves our puck possession and PK. It stabilizes our bottom 6. AV's strategy, line matching, etc. requires this type of player on the team.


#2. We need a PP specialist.

Without Kesler this year we have no PP. Without an above average PP we are not winning games, either in the regular season or the playoffs. The big reason we are slumping so much this year? Our PP is currently 27th in the league and have been top 5 the last 2 seasons (I believe #1 and #4).
I disagree.

I don't think there is ANY point in bringing in assets for a long playoff run if you are going to bank on Ryan Kesler being healthy throughout it. Then you're left with another Raymond at #2 C situation.

I'd rather they trade for a offensive center, and grab a defensive rental that can play a 4th line role until Kesler inevitably bows out of the post-season with an injury.

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03-18-2013, 12:55 PM
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All we really need is a 3rd line center, a Top-6 Winger in return for Booth and Ballard would be nice. $8.4M in cap space right there.

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03-18-2013, 12:56 PM
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I think Gillis is waiting for a blockbuster to go down on Friday so that the title of the trade can be "Olympus Has Fallen".

Attached will be a picture of our new acquisition as Gerard Butler looking to save the day.

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03-18-2013, 12:57 PM
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Gillis blew the opportunity to acquire some needed assets when he failed to trade Lou before the season started. Nobody in their right mind will trade for that contract with the cap going down. Best option is to trade Cory to a team like Tampa, NJ, or Toronto. Too many teams are looking for the same type of players that Vancouver needs.

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03-18-2013, 01:47 PM
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Gillis blew the opportunity to acquire some needed assets when he failed to trade Lou before the season started. Nobody in their right mind will trade for that contract with the cap going down. Best option is to trade Cory to a team like Tampa, NJ, or Toronto. Too many teams are looking for the same type of players that Vancouver needs.
I'm not sure you understand how the cap works...

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#1 NO NO NO!!!!! Defensive specialist Center is not going to help the Canucks be better than they are now. They need a Center who can create offense!!! He'll need to be smart defensively but getting another Manny is not going to change the Canucks enough to make them a team who can compete night in and night out with the top teams in the West.

#2 What they really need to Garrison to learn how to shoot Right, but that's not gonna happen so they need to find a RS Dman who has a bomb but 5 on 5 is more of a stay at home defensive dman.
The point of Malhotra was to take a decent load of the defensive match ups so Kesler could focus on his offensive numbers.

Had Kesler and Malhotra not been injured we'd be a 2nd line winger away from a powerhouse. On paper.

The amount Malhotra is undervalued here is criminal. You bet your sweet ass Gillis would take a serious run at a Malhotra pre-injury over almost any other player at the deadline this year, if he existed.

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03-18-2013, 02:29 PM
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The point of Malhotra was to take a decent load of the defensive match ups so Kesler could focus on his offensive numbers.

Had Kesler and Malhotra not been injured we'd be a 2nd line winger away from a powerhouse. On paper.

The amount Malhotra is undervalued here is criminal. You bet your sweet ass Gillis would take a serious run at a Malhotra pre-injury over almost any other player at the deadline this year, if he existed.
I fully agree with you, and you look at the mubers they back it up. Kesler was most succesfull that season, and in the playoffs, he dominated the only series he was not needed to match up defensively against another top line, Nashville. I remember someone had great stats on it a while ago, may have been on CDC though.

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The point of Malhotra was to take a decent load of the defensive match ups so Kesler could focus on his offensive numbers.

Had Kesler and Malhotra not been injured we'd be a 2nd line winger away from a powerhouse. On paper.

The amount Malhotra is undervalued here is criminal. You bet your sweet ass Gillis would take a serious run at a Malhotra pre-injury over almost any other player at the deadline this year, if he existed.
This is so true

Look how the team has played since Maholtra was shut down. Our faceoff percentage and PK are terrible

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03-18-2013, 02:49 PM
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Agree with 3rd line center and RH dman. Also wouldn't mind losing some of the dead weight ie player(s) who have earned contract bumps but are now deciding to ride the gravy train instead of driving it. Edler is culprit #1. His back may be an issue and if it is, the GM needs to rectify his mistake in signing him to an extension by moving him for assets that will actually improve this team instead of being a constant liability. We don't have much in value but Edler is one player who can possibly hook us up with a decent return. Of course this probably won't happen because GMMG doesn't believe in wheeling and dealing at the deadline. sigh.

Also Higgins isn't going anywhere, I would trade away every other player on the team except for Hansen before trading Higgins. His play at his caphit (which isn't going to see a massive increase), is too valuable to this team.

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03-18-2013, 02:50 PM
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The point of Malhotra was to take a decent load of the defensive match ups so Kesler could focus on his offensive numbers.

Had Kesler and Malhotra not been injured we'd be a 2nd line winger away from a powerhouse. On paper.

The amount Malhotra is undervalued here is criminal. You bet your sweet ass Gillis would take a serious run at a Malhotra pre-injury over almost any other player at the deadline this year, if he existed.
On paper is the key phrase. Neither Malholtra or Kesler have been healthy since the 2011, and I have no faith that Kesler can a) stay healthy b) play a smart game and use his wingers to create the 2nd line the Canucks need.

Canucks have NO center depth, let alone NHL centers who can produce when Kesler is injured. Getting another Manny is just going to make the Canucks a better version of the team now. One that outside of the Sedins cannot produce sustained offensive pressure. Canucks need a hybrid of Manny and Kesler. Someone who can when Kesler is out, center the 2nd line and not look lost and when Kesler is back center the 3rd line and take some of the defensive responsibilities away from Kesler.

Canucks tried getting another Manny last season when they acquired Pahlsson, it didn't really work.

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03-18-2013, 03:37 PM
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Top 6 winger
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RH bottom pairing d-man.

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03-18-2013, 03:46 PM
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Personally I see these the things as a big need for us:

- Trade Keith Ballard if at all possible.
- Top 6 scorer
- 3rd line centre

I see this as the bait:

Luongo, Ballard, Raymond, Booth (If healthy), Schroeder, picks in valuable draft.

This is not great when you're talking about adding or upgrading a whole lot unless Gillis has a shrewd trick up his sleeve at the deadline. I think the possibility of adding Jensen to such a deal mixes it up a bit but I would be careful to trade him. I think he has a ton of upside and seems to have handled the task really well in every league he has played in scoring goals. That's not to say he should not be available for anyone, but who is trading their star player who is of a reasonable age?

Luongo has a niche deal for NTC reasons, contract reasons and need reasons, so he might not even get moved. Ballard might not have a whole lot of total value, or any because of hit cap hit. Raymond is a rental type situation for a team before the deadline (or any other UFA who is unsigned). Booth might never be healthy and has not a lot of total value anyway. The fact that he is on the LITR might be his only use to the club this seasons.

I really don't see how we do any of the things we are looking for without something really bold or smart by Gillis. I mean, we can get a 3rd line C like we are looking for without much issue, but how much will that even cost? Maybe we take a flyer on someone (like Pahlsson) and then they don't work out?

I don't see great things on the horizon and much room the Canucks have with cap reasons and future considerations for their young players. I think the only thing we have of value to move is Luongo, and that could open up some other flexibility if we do that.

It's too bad, we can afford a real hockey player for the home stretch/playoffs.

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03-18-2013, 04:21 PM
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This is what we need.

-2nd line winger that can score (Higgins-Kesler-???)
-3rd line Center
-Right handed defenseman.
-New coach (If nothing improves)
Any interest in Babchuck?

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03-18-2013, 04:25 PM
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No ****ing around, go for a blockbuster perry type deal, or sell.

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03-18-2013, 04:26 PM
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Any interest in Babchuck?
He said defenseman...not pylon.

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Canucks don't have the team to win the cup this year.

Better off selling assets and restock for the next year.

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Prospects and picks.

Why picks?
We're going to rebuild??

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He said defenseman...not pylon.
He isn't great the defense part but is deadly on the pp and is RH.

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I'm not sure you understand how the cap works...
Explain to me how the cap going from $70 mill to $64 mill is not going down?

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