Just curious at the rationale that some of you have for placing Prucha on the 3rd line? I was not aware that following a rookie scoring 30 goals, teams place him on the bottom-2 lines. Not any team that I can think of.
Just curious at the rationale that some of you have for placing Prucha on the 3rd line? I was not aware that following a rookie scoring 30 goals, teams place him on the bottom-2 lines. Not any team that I can think of.
Because he's sucessful on the LW rather then RW and because RENNEY likes spreading out offense onto his 3rd line and rolling all 3 with no stubborness. Now teams got 3 lines to worry abou rather then 1 or 2.
Just curious at the rationale that some of you have for placing Prucha on the 3rd line? I was not aware that following a rookie scoring 30 goals, teams place him on the bottom-2 lines. Not any team that I can think of.
We've been over this in another thread. It's line 2b, not line 3. Spread the offense.
Well, the roster is starting to round into form so I'll take a crack. One caveat: I can still see Sather/Maloney packaging some players to get a top 6 RW, especially if Dawes doesn't step up in camp as I predict below:
1: Straka-Nylander-Jagr (as much as Straka and Nylander frustrate me, you don't mess with success)
2a: Shanahan-Immonen-Dawes (I know, seems odd to have Shanny with two kids, but I like the way their respective games would mesh - also, as mentioned above, I can very easily see RW on this line filled by someone acquired via trade and Dawes starting the season at HFD)
2b: Prucha-Cullen-Hall (again, I like the way their games would mesh better than putting Prucha together with the other kids)
4: Hollweg-Betts-Ward (Ortmeyer is dealt or kept as an extra forward)
Dubinsky and Moore are the first call-ups in case of injury/crappy play. Hossa gets dealt due to contractual idiocy (would've had a shot at 2b -assuming Prucha moves to RW- if he hadn't blown off the Rangers' offer). Orr gets cut unless he made SIGNIFICANT offseason strides in actually playing the game of hockey.
1st pair: Malik-Rozsival (Interestingly, I thought Malik was so-so prior to last year and was down on the signing primarily because of the terms - now I think he's excellent and a real steal contract-wise. Rozsival on the other hand, I liked for his upside, but am now completely disappointed with his bad penalties and penchant for getting beat outside. In any event, as long as they're on the team they're playing with Jagr's line)
2nd pair: Kaspar-Tyutin (If we accept Malik-Rozsival as your first pair, I think we're actually well above average for our bottom four)
3rd pair: Ward-Rachunek (Lampman is kept as the extra D)
Baranka, Richter and Pock are the first callups, if needed. Pock gets dealt during the season.
Lundqvist (duh)
Weekes (traded at the deadline this year - Montoya comes up to back up Lundqvist and get his first NHL action in the second half)
PP 1:
Shanahan-Nylander-Jagr
Straka-Tyutin (Tyutin could possibly be replaced by Rozsival if last year is any indication, but I'm hopeful he continues to progress in his all around game. Rachunek could also wind up on the first unit. Can you imagine this group if Nylander was actually a legit #1 center?!?)
PP2:
Prucha-Immonen-Hall
Cullen-Rachunek (I'd love to get Dawes some PP time, but I don't see where he fits)
PK1:
Betts-Ward
Kaspar-Tyutin
PK2:
Cullen-Hall
Malik-Rozsival (and this is where Rozsival hurts us the most)
I'm glad at least someone put Shanny on the right side. From a handful of Detriot posters, i read that Brendan played most of last season as RW. Not only that, but Renney said on WFAN a while ago that he didn't know if he'd have Shanahan on the top line with Jagr, or with Straka and Cullen on the second line.
Since Marty and Matty are both LW/C players, that would imply the former Red Wing may play right wing. To me, it also hinted that Prucha has a chance to start out on the top line with JJ.
I'd like:
Straka-Nylander-JJ
Prucha-Cullen-Shanny
I really think it is a stretch to put Hall anywhere other than 3rd RW. He will most likely get PP time and a little PK as well. There is no reason to pencil him into the 2nd line just because it would be sexy to have two physical scorers on a top line. Prucha is one full step further than Hall in the fact that Petr did well in 3rd line, even strength situations with a healthy portion of powerplay minutes. Hall did nicely with the man-advantage in Nashville, but was not an E/S scorer. Prucha is now being considered for top-line time, Hall still has yet to prove he is a top-6 forward.
?-Immonen-Hall
3rd line LW is a bit of a toss up.
Prucha - if another winger is brought in, he could end up in the same role as last year. Not a horrible plan, he did score a bunch in that role, but I'd like to see him get more 5-on-5 time.
Ward - He was mainly a center prior to last season, and even did an admirable job in relief of Betts, but he cemented himself as the 3rd RW throughout the season. Hall is an upgrade to Jason's position, therefore he could adapt again, and take the left side.
Hollweg - under-rated as a scorer in the juniors, if Ryan can elevate his offensive game, he could be part of a 3rd line threat.
Hossa - no thank you.
HBO line?
Hollweg, Betts and Ortmeyer looked very good together in the playoffs. It was that which (IMO) made Dominic Moore expendable, and Jarkko Immonen a likely major-leaguer. Should HBO be broken up by Hollweg outgrowing a 4th line role, I would LOVE to see Korpikoski fill the vacancy.
The D:
Malik-Rozsival
Kaspar-Tyutin
Ward-Rachunek
The only thing thing the defense really lacks is the structure of a first, second, and third pairing. It looks like three pairings of #3 and #4 defensemen. The thing is, this would be a versatile group in that manner. No fan would call Malik a hands-down #1 defenseman, but none of those top 6 Dmen would be considered a "6th or 7th" type. OK, maybe Rozsy...
Goal:
Henrick is king, and Weekes will be around for the rest of next season. I won't complain. There are worse backups. Much worse.
I think you trade Shanny for Straka and I think Ward with Cullen on the PP. I am worried about the PKing though. That was a backbone of the team and I am not that comfortable right now.
I think you trade Shanny for Straka and I think Ward with Cullen on the PP. I am worried about the PKing though. That was a backbone of the team and I am not that comfortable right now.
Yeah i really don't understand why marty has just been penciled in with Jagr. I think Shanny would be a better fit with Jags and Nylander, and Straka can still produce on the 2nd line.
Yeah i really don't understand why marty has just been penciled in with Jagr. I think Shanny would be a better fit with Jags and Nylander, and Straka can still produce on the 2nd line.
Marty is a faster skater to keep up with Jags and besides let's keep their line intact. We have some good scoring on the wings.
Jagr will probably get at least 40
Shanny 30
Prucha 30
We've been over this in another thread. It's line 2b, not line 3. Spread the offense.
We have. And the 2nd line still gets more ES time than the 3rd. Call it two minutes or whatever, but 2 minutes of ES time is quite a good amount.
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Originally Posted by 51tyutin51
Because he's sucessful on the LW rather then RW and because RENNEY likes spreading out offense onto his 3rd line and rolling all 3 with no stubborness. Now teams got 3 lines to worry abou rather then 1 or 2.
I always roll this question out and am still waiting for an answer. How many teams can you name that have a 30 goal-scorer skating on the 3rd line? How many teams that, following a 30 goal season, placed a 2nd year player anywhere but the top two lines to start the next season?
A perenial Cup contending team like Colarado can see fit to start two rookies flanking Joe Sakic, and then continue to play them on the top two lines in their 2nd year, but on THIS Rangers team, Prucha has not done enough to start on the 2nd line?
and I cant remember Straka playing RW last year.
is that a new rule in the 2006-07 season. by the way im joking
