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03-18-2013, 02:09 PM
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I could see Burmistrov for Hemsky but Bogo isn't going anywhere.
i doubt it...




not that i would want to make that trade either.

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03-18-2013, 02:11 PM
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I wonder if any team would take a flyer on Tyler Meyers. His contract is pretty hefty but for a guy that was touted as the next Chara this could be an excellent buy low opportunity.
we would be stupid not to inquire and make a move if the return wasnt too bad, all the things that people are saying about myers now, was all said about Bogosian 2 years ago (minus the price tag).

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03-18-2013, 02:13 PM
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we would be stupid not to inquire and make a move if the return wasnt too bad, all the things that people are saying about myers now, was all said about Bogosian 2 years ago (minus the price tag).

gigantic risk factor

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03-18-2013, 02:13 PM
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I could see Burmistrov for Hemsky but Bogo isn't going anywhere.
Agreed Bogosian is their untouchable but why would we move Hemsky for Burmistrov?
- another smurf with only 7 pts on the year.

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03-18-2013, 02:15 PM
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Agreed Bogosian is their untouchable but why would we move Hemsky for Burmistrov?
- another smurf with only 7 pts on the year.
Top-notch two-way center with untapped offensive potential.

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03-18-2013, 02:16 PM
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Tell me EXACTLY how is this an affordable D core? "Only 3 mill/year more than whitney"?
Campbell (7.1)- Fistric (2- Estimate)
Schultz (3.5)- Schultz (3.75)
Smid (4 est)- Petry (1.75)


That is 22 million for next season, for a D with 6 guys who can actually play. Decent mix of skill and puck movers. How can you argue we can't afford that?

LA for example has 15 million committed to 3 D to start next year. (Doughty 7, Mitchell 3.5, Green 3). Muzzin, Voyonov and Scuderi all need new deals.

Van have 23 million committed to 5 guys (Edler 5, Hamius 4.5, Ballard 4.2, Bieksa 4.6, Garrison 4.6)


Its not even close to as difficult as you make it seem. Also, the fact that his contract is so high may mean they move him for pretty cheap, which would make it all the more enticing.

Then, if you're in a cap crunch at the end of next year, you can deal N Schultz and give Klefbom the spot. That saves 2 mil, and Klefbom will have a year of NA experience by then.


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03-18-2013, 02:23 PM
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Agreed Bogosian is their untouchable but why would we move Hemsky for Burmistrov?
- another smurf with only 7 pts on the year.
I'm not saying he would be a perfect fit but there is a lot to like. I'm just saying that he is a piece they would move and Bogo isn't.
-edit Dnicks17 beat me to it.

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03-18-2013, 02:33 PM
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Top-notch two-way center with untapped offensive potential.
Think there are bigger holes to fill on this team. Hemsky is a movable asset which I would rather use to fill a need elsewhere. Not a good move imo. We are already undersized down the middle.

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03-18-2013, 02:37 PM
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Campbell (7.1)- Fistric (2- Estimate)
Schultz (3.5)- Schultz (3.75)
Smid (4 est)- Petry (1.75)


That is 22 million for next season, for a D with 6 guys who can actually play. Decent mix of skill and puck movers. How can you argue we can't afford that?

LA for example has 15 million committed to 3 D to start next year. (Doughty 7, Mitchell 3.5, Green 3). Muzzin, Voyonov and Scuderi all need new deals.

Van have 23 million committed to 5 guys (Edler 5, Hamius 4.5, Ballard 4.2, Bieksa 4.6, Garrison 4.6)


Its not even close to as difficult as you make it seem. Also, the fact that his contract is so high may mean they move him for pretty cheap, which would make it all the more enticing.

Then, if you're in a cap crunch at the end of next year, you can deal N Schultz and give Klefbom the spot. That saves 2 mil, and Klefbom will have a year of NA experience by then.
LA and Vancouver also only have 3 forwards making 5 mill and over. Next year we will have 4, and I'm sure Gagner wont be to far off.

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03-18-2013, 02:43 PM
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LA and Vancouver also only have 3 forwards making 5 mill and over. Next year we will have 4, and I'm sure Gagner wont be to far off.
I would bet Hemsky will be moved before next year and a fair chance Horcoff will be amnestied.

Edit: Campbell will not be an option though.

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03-18-2013, 02:55 PM
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I would bet Hemsky will be moved before next year and a fair chance Horcoff will be amnestied.

Edit: Campbell will not be an option though.
True, but sure remove Hemsky next year, and in the summer add in larger cap hits for RNH, J Schultz, Petry, and Dubnyk.

Campbell just makes zero sense for where this team is going.

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03-18-2013, 02:56 PM
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Why does Winnipeg trade their best defensemen who's only 22 years old for a year of Hemsky and a 2nd round pick?
Don't know if he is there best D man,
Enstrom and Byfuglien are probably higher then him on the depth chart.

Why would they move him? cause they have depth on the back end.

If I new Bogo would be the 10goal and 40 point yearly Dman then YES I would move Yakupov for him, but he really hasn't done much since his draft year....obviously injuries have played a reasoning there.

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03-18-2013, 03:00 PM
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Think there are bigger holes to fill on this team. Hemsky is a movable asset which I would rather use to fill a need elsewhere. Not a good move imo. We are already undersized down the middle.
Not sure why you think Burmistrov is a smurf or undersized... he could add weight sure but he is 6'1 and plays a robust game... bet you didn't know he has 58 hits on the year- third on the Jets... would be third on this club as well...

When you add in his defensive game and growing faceoff prowess (41%, 44%, 47%) with his age skating and fearlessness you have a player who be a great third line center for a long time... would also come cheap on his second contract considering his offensive resume

Think of him and his vision and agility next to Paajarvi... that is two thirds a very good VERY fast third line... find them a bruising winger and you are set

I proposed Hemsky, 2nd, Marincin for Burmistrov on the trade board... I think he is worth that and more if he can grow into his offensive game...

Hall-RNH-Eberle
?-Gagner-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Burmistrov-Jones
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Compliance buyout Horc and Smyth and we are set for the next few years at forward...

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03-18-2013, 03:01 PM
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I would bet Hemsky will be moved before next year and a fair chance Horcoff will be amnestied.Edit: Campbell will not be an option though.
Has this not died yet?


Have you seen the difference in our team when we dont have him?

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Don't know if he is there best D man,
Enstrom and Byfuglien are probably higher then him on the depth chart.

Why would they move him? cause they have depth on the back end.

If I new Bogo would be the 10goal and 40 point yearly Dman then YES I would move Yakupov for him, but he really hasn't done much since his draft year....obviously injuries have played a reasoning there.
I'm fairly certain 80% of WPG fans consider Bogo their best Dman.

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03-18-2013, 03:04 PM
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Hey guys i was wondering if ganger plays wing for you guys? If so would a package like doumoulin, + nick d'agostino+ 3rd round pick be a good package for him?

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you cant have him for players ive never heard of


although that d'agwhatever sounds vaguely familiar

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03-18-2013, 03:07 PM
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fine then how about niskanen and ganger swap

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03-18-2013, 03:08 PM
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You could offer up Hemsky for Trouba.

The Jets may not like having to let their top D prospect go, but the Jets would get instant scoring help and the Oil would get a top prospect and shed some salary.

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yeah we dont have a center to replace gagner with....so its really tough to trade him.

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You could offer up Hemsky for Trouba.

The Jets may not like having to let their top D prospect go, but the Jets would get instant scoring help and the Oil would get a top prospect and shed some salary.
this isnt even close.


man does everyone here completely not comprehend what other teams players are worth.

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You could offer up Hemsky for Trouba.

The Jets may not like having to let their top D prospect go, but the Jets would get instant scoring help and the Oil would get a top prospect and shed some salary.
Their best prospect and arguably the best defenseman in the 2012 draft for one season and 15 or so games of Hemsky?

Yikes.

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I don't want to trade Yakupov.

Screw you guys.

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Brent Burns for Ales Hemsky? Not sure on the details of the Bruns contract, and maybe this is less likely now since San Jose will be in the same conference as us next year...

SJ gets the injection of offense they need badly, and Oilers get a rock solid d-man with more epic facial hair


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this isnt even close.


man does everyone here completely not comprehend what other teams players are worth.
Every poster over values their teams assets, while low ballin' the other team, everyone is an untouchable, every trade is well how do we replace him, what happened to trade deadline deals, being a rental/ 2yr rental descent contract, for picks and prospects, the big name trades usually happen earlier in the season (or the offseason), If I guy like Hemsky does get traded, we will be getting picks and prospects back, it is very rare we will get a 2nd pairing Dman or a 3C.

It scares me knowing that no one seems to understand how trades work at this point of a season.

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03-18-2013, 03:23 PM
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Brett Burns for Ales Hemsky? Not sure on the details of the Bruns contract, and maybe this is less likely now since San Jose will be in the same conference as us next year...

SJ gets the injection of offense they need badly, and Oilers get a rock solid d-man with more epic facial hair
not happening.


they gave up seto, coyle, 1st for burns and promptly signed him to a 5 year extention.

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