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Dan Boyle and Martin Havlat Could Be Dealt?

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03-18-2013, 03:14 PM
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Your team will need still need a quality defender to replace most or all of the minutes left by Boyle's departure. Boyle also has a NTC clause and the Pens are almost definitely to be one of the teams he'd accept a trade to.
Stop trying to convince us that Martin for Boyle is good. It is a terrible offer. If we are trading Boyle it is because we are rebuilding. We won't trade Boyle for a 32 year old overpaid dman.

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What would NJ have to give for Havlat?
Already discussed in the Havlat to New Jersey thread; our strengths/needs are the same as yours.

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Depends on the price for Boyle, but he waived his NTC to come to Ottawa once, hopefully we can make a deal to bring him over this time around.

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Your team will need still need a quality defender to replace most or all of the minutes left by Boyle's departure. Boyle also has a NTC clause and the Pens are almost definitely to be one of the teams he'd accept a trade to.

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If the Sharks decide to go the route of trading Boyle for picks/prospects/young forward that are all anywhere from 2-5 years from potentially making an impact get ready for Thorton and Marleau to also move because they're unlikely to want to stick around for a retool/rebuild as their getting into the later stages of their careers.
You really are not listening to anything anyone is telling you are you? Boyle has almost no power over where he ends up, he can only select 8 teams he WILL NOT go to, that leaves 22 other teams he can be traded to. There will be interest, a fair amount, and teams will be happy to deal picks and prospects. Might even, you know, trade us a young prospect/player that could take up a top-6 role for cheap, imagine that.

There is no situation where we want Paul Martin, no matter how you look at it it makes us a significantly worse team. The ONLY reason we trade Boyle IS for depth, as in, picks, prospects, and cheap young players. Trading him for another defensemen is absolutely stupid. We don't even need Paul Martin, we have Burns, Vlasic, Stuart, Braun, Demers, and Irwin. Plus we have Tennysson, Acolotse, Albetshauser, Petrecki all needing NHL time in the very near future. Our defensive depth is extremely high.

We also have one of the best defenses in the league by the way, statistically, without Burns in the line-up even. We don't need defense.

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I would think before embarking on this plan of giving up on this season the Sharks org would fire McClellan first and see how the team responds. No saying this teams struggles are on the coaching, but it seems one last throw of the dice might turn around the teams season, a la he Kins last year. Heat up at e right time and you cold catch lightning in a bottle once he postseason starts.

SJ fans, correct me if i'm wrong, but would Robinson be willing to step up if McClellan was axed?

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Havlat has cornered the market on uninspired hockey. With his price tag ($5M/yr through 2015), I can't imagine he has very much value.

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Yeah, Boyle coming home to Ottawa could make sense depending on how much SJ wants in return.

We have the capspace and prospects to get something done, but i don't see Murray giving up a great or perhaps a good package for him.

We're still kinda rebuilding our self's.

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I would think before embarking on this plan of giving up on this season the Sharks org would fire McClellan first and see how the team responds. No saying this teams struggles are on the coaching, but it seems one last throw of the dice might turn around the teams season, a la he Kins last year. Heat up at e right time and you cold catch lightning in a bottle once he postseason starts.

SJ fans, correct me if i'm wrong, but would Robinson be willing to step up if McClellan was axed?
They absolutely should have, but its a little late at this point. They won't really have time to tell if it solves the problem because there is going to be a honeymoon period and then the trade deadline. They needed to fire him a month ago, or last year when I said they should even. Yes, Todd McLellan is a huge part of the problem.

That said, we are not sure on Robinson. He specifically said he does not want to be head coach and signed here under those terms. He might be ok to take over for the rest of the season, but he certainly won't be head coach long term.

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Havlat is a great player, but 2 more years at 5 million per diminishes his value.
6 points in 20 games with PP time ... not so great.

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6 points in 20 games with PP time ... not so great.
He hasn't been 100%, at all. He's coming back tonight, we'll see how he looks, hopefully he's healthy.

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You really are not listening to anything anyone is telling you are you? Boyle has almost no power over where he ends up, he can only select 8 teams he WILL NOT go to, that leaves 22 other teams he can be traded to. There will be interest, a fair amount, and teams will be happy to deal picks and prospects. Might even, you know, trade us a young prospect/player that could take up a top-6 role for cheap, imagine that.

There is no situation where we want Paul Martin, no matter how you look at it it makes us a significantly worse team. The ONLY reason we trade Boyle IS for depth, as in, picks, prospects, and cheap young players. Trading him for another defensemen is absolutely stupid. We don't even need Paul Martin, we have Burns, Vlasic, Stuart, Braun, Demers, and Irwin. Plus we have Tennysson, Acolotse, Albetshauser, Petrecki all needing NHL time in the very near future. Our defensive depth is extremely high.

We also have one of the best defenses in the league by the way, statistically, without Burns in the line-up even. We don't need defense.
Your team was hurt by it's defensive depth last year and added Stuart this off-season which has helped.

Remove Boyle without replacing his minutes and your D suddenly doesn't look so good. Burns is also always a health risk.

If your team is to deal him at the deadline their aren't as many teams as you'd think that would pay a premium for him. Remove 8 teams that he won't trade. Further remove a bunch more teams that don't see themselves as contenders. Further remove teams that can't fit his salary in for cap or real dollar purposes after this season. Further remove teams that don't have a need at RD. Further remove teams that aren't willing to pay the price to acquire him. Possibly further remove teams in your division or possibly even conference.

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You really are not listening to anything anyone is telling you are you? Boyle has almost no power over where he ends up, he can only select 8 teams he WILL NOT go to, that leaves 22 other teams he can be traded to. There will be interest, a fair amount, and teams will be happy to deal picks and prospects. Might even, you know, trade us a young prospect/player that could take up a top-6 role for cheap, imagine that.
To add to your point, most of the teams that would trade for him won't likely be in the 8 he would list. What I mean by that is the teams that would give the pieces are trying to win now which would presumably align well with Boyle's defacto list of 22 teams he *would* go to (Boyle is an extremely competitive player). I highly doubt teams that are rebuilding/not competitive would offer the pieces required for 1+ year of a 36 year old D-man.

As for the notion we need to replace Boyle with another quality defender (i.e. Martin or Markov), not really. Boyle's greatest strength is as a PP QB. Burns and Demers could do an adequate job or we could (and frequently do) employ a forward in that role. Defensively, we already have folks who can fill his role. As stated, we have good depth at D in terms of roster players and prospects.

For those who cite depth as a key weakness of the Sharks, I agree. But to get depth I don't think you trade a key piece to free up $1.6MM in cap space. You'd trade Boyle to get 2-3 younger and hopefully cost-controlled offensive players/picks that meaningfully add depth.

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Yeah, Boyle coming home to Ottawa could make sense depending on how much SJ wants in return.

We have the capspace and prospects to get something done, but i don't see Murray giving up a great or perhaps a good package for him.

We're still kinda rebuilding our self's.
Just trade a 2nd to PIT for Martin and then flip him for Boyle...

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Some posters are mentioning Ottawa and Dan Boyle....is there any way Milan Michalek would be part of a deal coming back? I still think the Sharks kind of regret that trade, but I dont catch enough (ergo, ANY) Ottawa games to know how the value is here for starters. From what I remember of Milan, he is the kind of forward the Sharks need right now. I understand he is hurt right now. But maybe im just pining for the good early 2000's era of Milan and Cheechoo

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Just trade a 2nd to PIT for Martin and then flip him for Boyle...
Martin is a bum. He's only 8th in scoring for Dmen, play 25 minutes a night and is a +7.

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Your team will need still need a quality defender to replace most or all of the minutes left by Boyle's departure. Boyle also has a NTC clause and the Pens are almost definitely to be one of the teams he'd accept a trade to.

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If the Sharks decide to go the route of trading Boyle for picks/prospects/young forward that are all anywhere from 2-5 years from potentially making an impact get ready for Thorton and Marleau to also move because they're unlikely to want to stick around for a retool/rebuild as their getting into the later stages of their careers.
Boyle's NTC allows him to eliminate 8 teams from the conversation. Of the 20 teams that he would have no more say in being traded to, at least a dozen would be true contenders (likely more) to make the play-offs. Without Boyle or Murray, Sharks have 6 NHL defensmen our fans would be fine with fielding. Minutes would be spread well, especially since we are playing our number 2/3 D Burns at forward.

If we do trade boyle, only thing moving that much value for would be to fill the gaping hole we have at forward. Martin would be too much value at D coming back for a position we are already strong in. We need value at forward coming back if we are going to lose Boyle at D.

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Martin is a bum. He's only 8th in scoring for Dmen, play 25 minutes a night and is a +7.
And yet, at the end of last season, you couldn't GIVE him away. It's going to take more than half of a half season to get me excited about trading for Martin.

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Martin is a bum. He's only 8th in scoring for Dmen, play 25 minutes a night and is a +7.
No matter how many ways you try to sell it we would rather just keep Boyle. Seriously, we can afford him, no problem. You don't seem to believe that, but it's true. You will convince no one that this is a good idea. That in itself should tell you something. We are not a bunch of ignoramuses. We are smart people who follow this team very closely and we are telling you, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Can you PLEASE drop it?

We have so much defensive depth we need to trade some of it just to make room for players coming up, the LAST thing we need is Paul Martin.

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Gaborik for Dan Boyle.

Deal done.

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Gaborik for Dan Boyle.

Deal done.
Nope!

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And yet, at the end of last season, you couldn't GIVE him away. It's going to take more than half of a half season to get me excited about trading for Martin.
Actually Shero asked him if he wanted to be traded and Martin said he wanted to stay and said he'd turn his play around, and he has. Michalek on the other hand wanted to go back to Phoenix so he got want he wanted.

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Havlat has cornered the market on uninspired hockey. With his price tag ($5M/yr through 2015), I can't imagine he has very much value.
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6 points in 20 games with PP time ... not so great.
Let me guess, you haven't watched Havlat play at all this past two seasons right? Just looking at the numbers and the media cliches of euros being "uninspired". When healthy, Havlat has been great for the Sharks. He's was one of the best forwards last season, and he was probably the 2nd best forward in the post-season after Thornton.

Your second quote just further shows that you don't watch him play at all. One, he hasn't been 100%. Two, his linemates for the majority of his games have been terrible. When he's on the PP, he's stuck with players like Vlasic, Gomez, Clowe, and Handzus. On even strength, he's been playing with the likes of Handzus, Galiardi, and Burish. And don't even play the "he got demoted to the 3rd line because he sucks" card. He was put on the 3rd line because the coach wanted to spread out the scoring. When Havlat played with players like Marleau, Couture, and Thornton (which he should be doing on a consistent basis), he's been great.

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Gaborik for Dan Boyle.

Deal done.
Callahan for Dan Boyle.

Deal done.

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No matter how many ways you try to sell it we would rather just keep Boyle. Seriously, we can afford him, no problem. You don't seem to believe that, but it's true. You will convince no one that this is a good idea. That in itself should tell you something. We are not a bunch of ignoramuses. We are smart people who follow this team very closely and we are telling you, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Can you PLEASE drop it?

We have so much defensive depth we need to trade some of it just to make room for players coming up, the LAST thing we need is Paul Martin.


offer a favorable trade for themselves and then insult when turned down.

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