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Jake Gardiner FOR Sean Couturier

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03-18-2013, 04:45 PM
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Jake Gardiner FOR Sean Couturier

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Jake Gardiner (Defense)
22 Years Old July 4th 1990
6'02'' 185 Pounds
2008 NHL Draft 1st Round 17th Overall

ELC


2010-11 Toronto Marlies AHL 10 0 3 3 4
2011-12 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 75 7 23 30
2011-12 Toronto Marlies AHL 4 0 2 2 2
2012-13 Toronto Marlies AHL 43 10 21 31
2012-13 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 12 0 4 4


Assets: Is a smart player with the puck. Skates well due to an effortless stride. Has offensive ability, likes to join the attack, and boasts all-round upside. Can quarterback a power play.

Flaws: Needs to fill out his relatively smallish 6-0 frame in order to withstand the rigors of the pro game. Must also become a little more assertive and aggressive, as well as keep his intensity level on high in defensive situations.

Career Potential: Mobile offensive defenseman with good upside.



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Sean Couturier (Center)
20 Years Old December 7th 1992
6'04'' 190 Pounds
2011 NHL Draft 1st round 8th Overall

ELC

2011-12 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 77 13 14 27
2012-13 Adirondack Phantoms AHL 31 10 18 28
2012-13 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 46 4 11 15

Assets: Has outstanding two-way instincts. Is capable of playing a shutdown role with aplomb. Also boasts very good offensive upside and a very projectable frame.

Flaws: Isn't the fastest skater, so he needs to work on that aspect of his game in order to maximize his two-way upside. Is also somewhat of a work-in-progress offensive player.

Career Potential: Talented two-way center with good upside.


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03-18-2013, 04:47 PM
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Gardiner wants out. His trade value just plummeted.

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03-18-2013, 04:50 PM
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Oh my.... Jackman for Kessel.

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Its been discussed a few times on here, most recently here.

Basically, some Flyers fans are amenable to something like Gardiner + a 2nd for Couturier, while others hate the idea because they do not believe Gardiner has a high enough upside.

Leafs fans seem happier with the swap, probably because the acquisition of Reilly has made Gardiner a bit less vital as a long-term piece.

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03-18-2013, 04:53 PM
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03-18-2013, 04:58 PM
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Reminds me of the Schenn - JVR threads that kept happening.. and then the trade happened.

I really think this trade is inevitable

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03-18-2013, 05:00 PM
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Is this the new hf weekly proposal? Leafa fans do u think posting this enough will get it to actually happen (like the Schenn-JVR trade)

All joking aside I wouldnt do it 1 for 1. Id rather trade Coots for Rielly. Coots would be an easy second line center in Toronto by end of next year with his great defensive pedigree. Gardiner is awesome though too and hes getting the **** end of the stick in Toronto right now. I wouldnt be upset if this deal happened tomorrow, but Id definitely feel Couturier was sold short.

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Reminds me of the Schenn - JVR threads that kept happening.. and then the trade happened.

I really think this trade is inevitable
Eh, maybe. Those threads were sparked by actual media reports that Toronto was looking at JVR. As far as I know, there's been nothing similar here. Add to that the Schenn-Schenn dynamic, JVR's on-going struggles and inconsistency (different from Couturier's sophomore slump), etc., and I think we are a ways away from that sort of level of inevitability.

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03-18-2013, 05:35 PM
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Eh, maybe. Those threads were sparked by actual media reports that Toronto was looking at JVR. As far as I know, there's been nothing similar here. Add to that the Schenn-Schenn dynamic, JVR's on-going struggles and inconsistency (different from Couturier's sophomore slump), etc., and I think we are a ways away from that sort of level of inevitability.
On the other hand, you have to think something's gotta give at center with Philly. Giroux is too good to trade, Schenn and Couts are both too good for the 2nd line (down the road) and Laughton is in the pipeline...you already mentioned the Schenn/Schenn dynamic, there is a huge void on the Philly blue-line for a potential top pairing defender as there is in Toronto for a top 6 center. I'd think something based around Couts / Gardiner would work well for both teams...not to mention both sides dealing from a position of strength, and filling huge holes...I sure won't be shocked if this deal ever goes down.

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03-18-2013, 05:38 PM
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On the other hand, you have to think something's gotta give at center with Philly. Giroux is too good to trade, Schenn and Couts are both too good for the 2nd line (down the road) and Laughton is in the pipeline...you already mentioned the Schenn/Schenn dynamic, there is a huge void on the Philly blue-line for a potential top pairing defender as there is in Toronto for a top 6 center. I'd think something based around Couts / Gardiner would work well for both teams...not to mention both sides dealing from a position of strength, and filling huge holes...I sure won't be shocked if this deal ever goes down.
What about Coturier for Rielly instead?

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To VAN: Couturier + 1st (TOR) - I think it's pointless because the Leafs will make the playoffs but top 10 protected (becomes 2014 1st + 2nd)
To TOR: Schneider + 2nd (VAN)
To PHI: Gardiner + 3rd (VAN)

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Is this the new hf weekly proposal? Leafa fans do u think posting this enough will get it to actually happen (like the Schenn-JVR trade)

All joking aside I wouldnt do it 1 for 1. Id rather trade Coots for Rielly. Coots would be an easy second line center in Toronto by end of next year with his great defensive pedigree. Gardiner is awesome though too and hes getting the **** end of the stick in Toronto right now. I wouldnt be upset if this deal happened tomorrow, but Id definitely feel Couturier was sold short.
I'd say daily proposal.

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No thanks. This idea is getting redundant too.

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I doubt it, there were Philly fans who claimed they wouldn't trade Couturier for Yakupov a few months ago.

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Ahhhh its a toughy. I think I would do it though.

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I doubt it, there were Philly fans who claimed they wouldn't trade Couturier for Yakupov a few months ago.
Nope, still wouldnt.

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I doubt it, there were Philly fans who claimed they wouldn't trade Couturier for Yakupov a few months ago.
1. That's a different issue. The Flyers have a clear need on the blue-line. They don't have that same need at RW.

2. There were plenty of Leafs fans who wouldn't trade Gardiner for Yakupov a few months ago either. Maybe Couturier and Gardiner are just worth more? ()

(Note the sarcasm emotion people. I'm not serious.)

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No thanks. This idea is getting redundant too.
Quite redundant. I think some people think if they post something enough times, it'll happen.

Just like Stastny to Toronto threads show up weekly.

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To VAN: Couturier + 1st (TOR) - I think it's pointless because the Leafs will make the playoffs but top 10 protected (becomes 2014 1st + 2nd)
To TOR: Schneider + 2nd (VAN)
To PHI: Gardiner + 3rd (VAN)
Toronto gives up a 1st + Gardiner and gets Schneider and a 2nd?

Vancouver gives up Schneider, a 2nd, and a 3rd and gets Couturier + a 1st?

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Its been discussed a few times on here, most recently here.

Basically, some Flyers fans are amenable to something like Gardiner + a 2nd for Couturier, while others hate the idea because they do not believe Gardiner has a high enough upside.

Leafs fans seem happier with the swap, probably because the acquisition of Reilly has made Gardiner a bit less vital as a long-term piece.
Yes, in a nutshell you've summed it up pretty nicely.

I'm anti-trading Gardiner, and the only player I'd realistically trade him for is Couturier, and I'm fully aware Couts is having a sophomore slumpish season while Gardiner hasn't been given a fair shake and is being eased back into the lineup post-concussion, along with the Leafs D roster being absolutely stacked with one way contracts.

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I wouldn't do it from a leafs perspective. Gardiner is a top 4 dman (don't come at me with the whole "he's in the AHL bs), Couts is a very good defensive center. As for his offensive game he is ok right now, but I think he projects to a top 6 C, not a top line C though, but that is all my opinion. Also Grabo is a pretty good defensive center so I don't think the leafs need a guy like couts. They need someone who is or projects to be a top line C in the NHL, not a 2nd line C which is what they have an excess of. Also to the flyers fans that say they don't want to trade couts for Yakupov that is moronic. What is the reasoning for it "he is a very good defensive C and I think he will become a top line C one day." Ok fine then what about Schenn and Giroux? They're both in the way and i don't think Couts will become better than either of those two, plus with Laughton in the pipeline that's 4 C's with good potential and one of them is already one of the best players in the league.

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Is this the new hf weekly proposal? Leafa fans do u think posting this enough will get it to actually happen (like the Schenn-JVR trade)

All joking aside I wouldnt do it 1 for 1. Id rather trade Coots for Rielly. Coots would be an easy second line center in Toronto by end of next year with his great defensive pedigree. Gardiner is awesome though too and hes getting the **** end of the stick in Toronto right now. I wouldnt be upset if this deal happened tomorrow, but Id definitely feel Couturier was sold short.
Imo the Flyers would have to add if they want Rielly, Couturier alone wouldn't do it. I'm not saying add tons but maybe a 2nd or a 3rd because Rielly looks like he'll reach his potential

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Pass easily from Flyers perspective, not because I wouldn't want Gardiner but I wouldn't want to move Couturier. Why is Couturier in so many proposals?

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I think this is a bit different from the JVR for Schenn trade. Flyers need defense. Couts is their best defensive forward. I am not sure how much it helps the Flyers. That's the reason the Flyers fans are "overrating" Couts. If he is moved for a defender it has to help them more than having a shutdown center.

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Rielly is off the table as far as I am concerned. He is our only truly untouchable prospect.

I don't mind adding a bit to Gardiner to get Couts.

In all reality if we got Couturier we would probably end up moving either Bozak or Grabo at the deadline as well, though I am hoping we could find someone to take Grabo (Calgary?) and we resign Bozak to a fair deal for our #2C

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