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03-15-2013, 06:01 PM
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I'd take a mentally broken Ovechkin over a cancerous quitter like Jagr 100/100 times.
OV isn't playing hard either. Has he worked hard to improve his game? They switched his side he is playing on. So instead of flying down the left wing and pulling up to lose the puck. Now he flys down the right and shoots into the d's stick.

He leads the league in missed shots. Has scored an ES goal in only two games this year. And it seems like he is always on the ice when the other team scores.

If we want a PP specialist who doesn't play d, then Marc Andre Bergeron would be much cheaper. Isn't McCabe looking for a job?

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03-15-2013, 06:39 PM
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He's playing hard at times. Much more of an effort than Jagr in DC. His moments of let up weren't as glaring when he was scoring 50+, but you're certainly right in that he's not improved his game. He's mentally broken and he's regressed badly. Doesn't mean he deserves to be compared to Jagr the team killer who just flat out gave up on the Caps, but your option I guess.

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03-15-2013, 06:57 PM
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Jagr gets booed out of DC for being a ppg player and the Caps missing the playoffs.

OV gets a pass by many for being less than a ppg player and the Caps missing the playoffs.
Jagr gave up on the team, and the city. He said so. It was obvious.

The only similarity the two share is floating and cherrypicking.

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03-15-2013, 07:25 PM
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Trapping BB happened because OV showed up overweight and couldn't score.

We were blown out nightly.
So... he is the one who couldn't stop teams from scoring and he is the one who couldn't score, its all his fault, one man team, got it. Damn, and i thought it was all Semins evil doings.

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03-15-2013, 08:30 PM
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Jagr gave up on the team, and the city. He said so. It was obvious.

The only similarity the two share is floating and cherrypicking.
So what is OV doing? He certainly isn't trying to become a better player. He is only passionate about Team Russia.

Hunter was on to something. He played OV very little, except for in the offensive zone and PP. His production stayed the same and we got scored on less.

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03-15-2013, 09:17 PM
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So what is OV doing? He certainly isn't trying to become a better player. He is only passionate about Team Russia.

Hunter was on to something. He played OV very little, except for in the offensive zone and PP. His production stayed the same and we got scored on less.
You don't know that. You see a guy who's heart isn't in it and isn't trying, I see a guy who is broken mentally. He's gripping his stick tighter than ever and he's choking a lot. Could he be a more serious pro? WITHOUT A DOUBT, but I haven't seen nor heard anything that indicates to me that he's pulling a Jagr and quitting on the team.

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03-15-2013, 10:20 PM
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[QUOTE=bonzaibondra12;61726743]
He leads the league in missed shots.

Shooting at NHL level is mostly muscle memory, you dont have time to look focus see a hole fire and score, its instink and on the right side he doesnt have it yet. I dont think he can do anything right in your book short of scoring 70 goals and winning the cup.

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03-16-2013, 06:00 AM
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So what is OV doing? He certainly isn't trying to become a better player. He is only passionate about Team Russia.

Hunter was on to something. He played OV very little, except for in the offensive zone and PP. His production stayed the same and we got scored on less.

Do you really remember what the Jagr era was like? If you think Ovechkin's lack of effort is anywhere CLOSE to what Jagr was doing physically and mentally (again, he admitted he gave up on the team and the city) then I doubt it.

Hunter line-matched. If he needed the top line out there on a defensive zone draw (which is the only time your theory could be applied) he would not have kept them off the ice to put the wrong line out.


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03-16-2013, 06:30 AM
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Leafs fan here. Would Caps fans be prepared to entertain offers for Ovechkin of package of top tier prospects and picks?

Knowing this could be a quick rebuild year for you guys ending with a high pick possibly and with prospects like Forsberg, Kuznetsov, and Wilson structuring a strong foundation would you guys like to select the equivalent of 3 first round picks and get rid of Ovys 9.5M cap hit off the books?

Willing to package 3 of

2013 1st round pick, Matt Finn, Stuart Percy, Tyler Biggs, and Jake Gardiner

And then some.

I think its time for Ovy to move on, hoping he turns it around and becomes the dynamic player he once was again. A change of scenery might be needed.

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03-16-2013, 08:51 AM
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I'm sure plenty of Caps' fans would be happy to entertain offers for Ovechkin, though whether your package would make anyone happy is doubtful IMO, but the Caps are never trading Ovechkin IMO unless he requests a trade.

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03-16-2013, 10:28 AM
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I'm sure plenty of Caps' fans would be happy to entertain offers for Ovechkin, though whether your package would make anyone happy is doubtful IMO, but the Caps are never trading Ovechkin IMO unless he requests a trade.
Ovie is only player that will actully keep them afloat they trade him and they become the next edmonton oilers.
And no offense but uneducated fans are the ones that try to get rid of players of semin or ovechkins talents as usually they can only do sooo much. Aka semin last year can't pass the puck to himself md screen the goalie all by himself. The team lacks depth at top six forward.
Find backstrom ribeiro and ovechkin some help up front and the results will speak for themselves. Or hope laich can contribute qhen healthy...

Johansson, brouwer and hendricks are all third line players at best as none of them create much offense but usually kill the play.

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03-16-2013, 11:42 AM
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Ovie is only player that will actully keep them afloat they trade him and they become the next edmonton oilers.
And no offense but uneducated fans are the ones that try to get rid of players of semin or ovechkins talents as usually they can only do sooo much. Aka semin last year can't pass the puck to himself md screen the goalie all by himself. The team lacks depth at top six forward.
Find backstrom ribeiro and ovechkin some help up front and the results will speak for themselves. Or hope laich can contribute qhen healthy...

Johansson, brouwer and hendricks are all third line players at best as none of them create much offense but usually kill the play.
The old 'Ovechkin needs more talent around him to b expected to produce' argument is about as played out as they come.

Anyone who has seriously watched Ovechkin from the beginning of his NHL career until now knows that the difference between a productive Ovechkin, even on poor teams, and this version has nothing to do with the quality of his teammates.

Sure putting more talent around him may help put up a few more points but he will only become great again when he decides he wants to be and is willing to put the time and effort in to make himself great again. That Ovechkin hasn't been seen since April 28, 2010...

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03-16-2013, 11:56 AM
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Ovi is 2nd in the league for shots on goal, 1st for missed shots,.....I'm not too worried. Oates is taking the right approach with him in defending and supporting him.

I like seeing him back with Nicky, ...it's good for both of them. He and Ribz never really seemed to click outside of he PP.

This whole he's a floater garbage is nothing new. He scored 65 goals doing exactly that. That's who he is, let him be who he is. That's why he and Nicky worked so well together. Now onto defending Backstrom. He may not be piling on the points, but if anyone actually watched the games,.....you'd be blown away at how good Backstrom is in his own end. I've never seen a player calm a team down when he's had the puck in his own end like Backstrom does.....the whole play comes to a grinding halt.

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03-16-2013, 12:16 PM
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The problem is the two most important players on the team, Ovechkin and Backstrom, walked away from that Habs series and spent the entire offseason feeling sorry for themselves and have never recovered from it.

Ideally they would have walked away from that series saying never again and worked as hard as they ever had to ensure that was the case and to make themselves better but instead we pretty much got the opposite response.

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The problem is the two most important players on the team, Ovechkin and Backstrom, walked away from that Habs series and spent the entire offseason feeling sorry for themselves and have never recovered from it.

Ideally they would have walked away from that series saying never again and worked as hard as they ever had to ensure that was the case and to make themselves better but instead we pretty much got the opposite response.

There appears to be a lot of truth in this--although it is the whole Caps culture that is a problem. 8 and 19 could've stepped up and led by example by being in great shape and demanding better from teammates. That would've helped a lot. But even if, the rest of the culture here is so wishy-washy and soft. There are no champions walking around in the building. Guys like Semin and Green could get away with taking games off. They were and are a low intensity team. That's why when they had that PP against the Rags in the last game of the playoffs they weren't ready and choked. Same thing against the Habs, really. The Caps, George and BB couldn't handle the adversity.

I don't think it's fair to expect Ovie to be Dale Hunter, to care that much. But he does care in his way. Nick does too. But the team needs about 8 or 10 new guys who will skate through walls to win. And guys like that in the offices and coaching, too.

Remember how brave some of the young guns were when Brash was here.

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03-16-2013, 02:18 PM
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Leafs fan here. Would Caps fans be prepared to entertain offers for Ovechkin of package of top tier prospects and picks?

Knowing this could be a quick rebuild year for you guys ending with a high pick possibly and with prospects like Forsberg, Kuznetsov, and Wilson structuring a strong foundation would you guys like to select the equivalent of 3 first round picks and get rid of Ovys 9.5M cap hit off the books?

Willing to package 3 of

2013 1st round pick, Matt Finn, Stuart Percy, Tyler Biggs, and Jake Gardiner

And then some.

I think its time for Ovy to move on, hoping he turns it around and becomes the dynamic player he once was again. A change of scenery might be needed.
No chance. The Caps would demand at least one bonafide top line scorer coming back.

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The problem is the two most important players on the team, Ovechkin and Backstrom, walked away from that Habs series and spent the entire offseason feeling sorry for themselves and have never recovered from it.

Ideally they would have walked away from that series saying never again and worked as hard as they ever had to ensure that was the case and to make themselves better but instead we pretty much got the opposite response.
Well, said.

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03-16-2013, 02:52 PM
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I'm pretty sure they went back home and partied the summer away like they do every off season - err i mean trained really really hard!

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03-17-2013, 07:32 PM
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Kris letang and a 1st?

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Kris letang and a 1st?
I want to say yes just to see how Shero would handle the cap situation next year...

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mmmm not sure this is a good deal for both team and i don't think shero would do it .

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I want to say yes just to see how Shero would handle the cap situation next year...
So they'd have been able to handle Suter and/or Parise but not Ovechkin at 2 million more?

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With the Penguins depth at D, Letang for Ovechkin would be something I support.. I love Letang, and would hate to play against him, but I think you take that risk.

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With the Penguins depth at D, Letang for Ovechkin would be something I support.. I love Letang, and would hate to play against him, but I think you take that risk.
Have to admit some crow..never thought Letang would be as good as he turned out. Just looked like a weak as Mike Green but reality much better along the boards than I thought he would ever be.

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Kris letang and a 1st?
And Kunitz.

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