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03-18-2013, 06:28 PM
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03-18-2013, 07:34 PM
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03-18-2013, 09:02 PM
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Definitely alot of twitter buzz on Sustr from Flyers fans. Seravalli also has posted an article on Sustr on philly.com

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03-18-2013, 09:04 PM
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How's this plan? It's contingent on us getting the 1st overall pick though...

Sign Andrej Sustr
Trade Briere to the Bruins for a 1st
Trade Coburn to the Blues for Ty Rattie and a 2nd
Trade Meszaros to the Sharks for a 2nd
Trade Couturier, McGinn and our 2nd to Phoenix for Gormley and 1st

Lost:
Briere
Coburn
Meszaros
Couturier
McGinn
2nd

Acquired:
Sustr
Gormley
Rattie
Late 1st (Bos)
Mid-Late 1st (Phx)
2nd (Sj)
2nd (Stl)

Draft Seth Jones 1st overall
Draft Anthony Mantha (Phx)
Draft Robert Haag (Bos)

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Schenn - Read
Gagne - Laughton - Rattie
Rinaldo - Talbot - ????

Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann - Jones
Sustr - Gormley

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03-18-2013, 09:10 PM
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How's this plan? It's contingent on us getting the 1st overall pick though...

YES Sign Andrej Sustr
YES Trade Briere to the Bruins for a 1st
NO Trade Coburn to the Blues for Ty Rattie and a 2nd
YES Trade Meszaros to the Sharks for a 2nd
**** NOTrade Couturier, McGinn and our 2nd to Phoenix for Gormley and 1st
No interest in dealing Couturier for Gormley--and the ~15 pick jump from our 2nd to their 1st isn't close to closing the value from my view.

I wouldn't do that Coburn deal either. I'd consider something around Coburn and Shattenkirk (an RFA, you never know) but I don't love it, and I wouldn't want to see him dealt for Rattie +

If we end up with the 1st pick, I see no reason to trade Coburn. He's a very solid top-4 defenseman on a decent contract. He's having a rough year because he's being asked to carry too much of the puck-moving burden. Jones can address that need long-term, and we can find a short-term fix for next season.

EDIT: I can see a case for moving Coburn if we end up drafting 3-5 or so (Drouin, Barkov, etc.). I think you look at moving Coburn + Laughton for a guy like Edler (+?). Canucks fans expressed some interest in that.

If we end up 6-10 or so, then I think you consider moving Coburn for Shattenkirk (assuming we draft Nurse, Zadorov, Ristolainen.

I'm not saying draft for need, but if the Flyers list is near the (current) consensus rankings, there's a decent chance that those are the guys who might be selected.


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03-18-2013, 09:12 PM
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Whole lot of pipe dreams People, team ain't going to do **** to improve. Get used to this train wreck for a few years

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03-18-2013, 09:13 PM
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No interest in dealing Couturier for Gormley--and the ~15 pick jump from our 2nd to their 1st isn't close to closing the value from my view.

I wouldn't do that Coburn deal either. I'd consider something around Coburn and Shattenkirk (an RFA, you never know) but not Rattie +
No way you're getting shattenkirk for Coburn. I like Rattie a lot, I think he can be a really good 2nd-3rd line winger.

As for the Couturier deal, I like him a lot but I think with Laughton coming up and Schenn and Giroux down the middle already, his loss might not be too detrimental if we're getting a potential top pairing guy like Gormley.

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03-18-2013, 09:15 PM
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Be prepared people..... the trade rumors will be coming hard and fast.

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Gormley is garbage, if we are trading Couts it's for a a sure fire young Dmen, I don't see it in Gormley

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The deadline is April 3rd. I have to think they'll be elminiated by then.

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No way you're getting shattenkirk for Coburn. I like Rattie a lot, I think he can be a really good 2nd-3rd line winger.

As for the Couturier deal, I like him a lot but I think with Laughton coming up and Schenn and Giroux down the middle already, his loss might not be too detrimental if we're getting a potential top pairing guy like Gormley.
Eh, I'm not sure. Shattenkirk isn't signed long-term, and St. Louis is going to have to open the wallet for Pietrangelo.

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03-18-2013, 09:18 PM
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Also if we are targeting a young forward from St Louis for Coburn, go for Schwartz not Rattie. Schwartz has top line upside and would look very nice next to Giroux. Cheap right now too.

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I have yet to see anybody tell me why it's a good idea to trade Coburn.

The only way it seems like a decent avenue to pursue is if we're packaging him with someone or something to get a #1 guy...but for picks and prospects? Please explain to me how that helps our cause.

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No way you're getting shattenkirk for Coburn. I like Rattie a lot, I think he can be a really good 2nd-3rd line winger.

As for the Couturier deal, I like him a lot but I think with Laughton coming up and Schenn and Giroux down the middle already, his loss might not be too detrimental if we're getting a potential top pairing guy like Gormley.
I could have swore Gormley had top 4 potential? But anyway if I'm giving up Couturier I want a proven top pairing defensemen coming back.

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03-18-2013, 09:21 PM
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I have yet to see anybody tell me why it's a good idea to trade Coburn.

The only way it seems like a decent avenue to pursue is if we're packaging him with someone or something to get a #1 guy...but for picks and prospects? Please explain to me how that helps our cause.
Well it helps our cause to tank for sure.

Also I have said many times if we do move Coburn I want top end blue line talent coming back + 1st rounder.

Cowen+1st from Ottawa or something like that.

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03-18-2013, 09:23 PM
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I could have swore Gormley had top 4 potential? But anyway if I'm giving up Couturier I want a proven top pairing defensemen coming back.
Gormley definitely has more than top 4 potential IMO. I think he can be a top pairng guy in his prime.

And you're not getting an established top pairing defenseman for couturier. You're trading potential for potential.

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03-18-2013, 09:24 PM
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Well it helps our cause to tank for sure.

Also I have said many times if we do move Coburn I want top end blue line talent coming back + 1st rounder.

Cowen+1st from Ottawa or something like that.
There is no way Ottawa would ever do that trade.

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Also if we are targeting a young forward from St Louis for Coburn, go for Schwartz not Rattie. Schwartz has top line upside and would look very nice next to Giroux. Cheap right now too.
Schwartz is a smurf. Pass.

Why the F would the Flyers trade Coburn for a small forward, when our biggest need is D?

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03-18-2013, 09:25 PM
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I have yet to see anybody tell me why it's a good idea to trade Coburn.

The only way it seems like a decent avenue to pursue is if we're packaging him with someone or something to get a #1 guy...but for picks and prospects? Please explain to me how that helps our cause.
Same here. If you could package him for a guy who's at least played a full season in the NHL like Shattenkirk I would do it. But it's funny seeing people suggesting trading him for all these unproven guys like Runblad, Gormley, etc. and expecting that to suddenly fix all our problems.

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There is no way Ottawa would ever do that trade.
That's my point. Don't trade Coburn unless you are getting great value back.

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I have yet to see anybody tell me why it's a good idea to trade Coburn.

The only way it seems like a decent avenue to pursue is if we're packaging him with someone or something to get a #1 guy...but for picks and prospects? Please explain to me how that helps our cause.
$4.5 million in cap space is a good place to start. As well, Coburn has digressed drastically this year. It's not funny how terrible he's become. And before anyone starts making excuses for him, he's been in the league now for seven years. If he can't figure out what it takes to be successful, no coach is ever going to get through to him. Million dollar talent, penny brain. Such a shame and a waste. Could be an all world defenseman if he decided to play with a sense of urgency all the time.

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Well it helps our cause to tank for sure.

Also I have said many times if we do move Coburn I want top end blue line talent coming back + 1st rounder.

Cowen+1st from Ottawa or something like that.
Coburn doesn't have that kind of value.

I don't think we can move him to downgrade (and pick up futures). He should either be kept--it is one bad season after all--or moved with another asset for a clear upgrade.

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Well it helps our cause to tank for sure.

Also I have said many times if we do move Coburn I want top end blue line talent coming back + 1st rounder.

Cowen+1st from Ottawa or something like that.
How are you going to get a top line blueline talent PLUS a 1st for a guy who isn't a top line defenseman? Coburn is a #4-#3 at best on a good team. No one is going to give us that for him.

Id rather seek a defenseman elsewhere, such as in a deal around Couturier, and use Coburn to get a good young winger prospect such as Rattie or Schwartz.

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Schwartz is a smurf. Pass.

Why the F would the Flyers trade Coburn for a small forward, when our biggest need is D?
I wasn't really advocating trading Coburn for that really, I was just saying if we are targeting a forward I would want that top line "smurf" rather than Rats

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