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03-18-2013, 10:13 PM
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Retaining Kessel has become of utmost importance.

We can't let assets walk.

The free agency has just become incredibly weak, but I still think getting Weiss might be a good idea. I've liked his game. He's solid and will help our team defense.



JVR - Weiss - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Horton
Frattin - Grabovski - Kulemin
Orr - McClement - Komarov

Subtractions: MacArthur, Bozak

I think the team is bigger up front and more adept at cycling.

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03-18-2013, 10:14 PM
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So Anaheim will have about 54 million committed to 16 players this summer. Anaheim will have some tough decisions to make.

I think Hiller will be traded to the Leafs this summer so they are able to keep Ryan. Fasth has most likely shown enough to go forward with him. No chance they can spend 7.5 million on goaltending anymore.

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03-18-2013, 10:15 PM
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What makes sense most for the Leafs is to sell-off some players that don't fit long-term (Bozak, Mac, Grabo maybe, Kuli maybe) and then take advantage of teams in cap hell this offseason.

I'm almost happy that Perry re-signed so that Nonis doesn't put all his eggs in one basket.

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03-18-2013, 10:18 PM
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Horton and Clowe still excite me a lot on the UFA market, we actually do need a big winger.

#1 C is a problem but if Stastny can be had for a decent price you go after him, he's a solid 1b guy and a huge upgrade over Bozak. Plus you dont necessarily need a pure #1 C to win a cup, just an all around solid team can get you really deep(NJD, BOS as recent examples.)

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03-18-2013, 10:19 PM
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My heart just shattered.

Oh well time to get realistic...

JVR-_______-Kessel (Ribeiro, Weiss, Stastny)
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin (has potential to be #1 line)

Or just make a Lupul-Kadri-Kessel line.
Add Stastny and that top 6 is nearly as good as the Ducks imo... and better then most NHL teams. Stastny-with-Kessel-JVR could see kessel be a 90 point player... JVR around 70 if he keeps progressing and Stastny 70-80. The ducks obviously have more fire power but if Kadri-Lupul are the real that's a potentially elite second line the ducks simply will never be able to match... potentially 5, FIVE players capable of hitting 70 points. When selanee retires the ducks will have no second line - and I don't see them having the financial capability to fill one out... I strongly believe we are Stastny away from having an elite top 6 next season...

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03-18-2013, 10:25 PM
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I would trade Kessel if I knew it would guarantee us Monahan or Mackinnon.

Seems the only way you are going to get a 1A centre to our 1B Kadri is to draft him ourselves.

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03-18-2013, 10:26 PM
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I would trade Kessel if I knew it would guarantee us Monahan or Mackinnon.

Seems the only way you are going to get a 1A centre to our 1B Kadri is to draft him ourselves.
Step 1 into how to getting fired.

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03-18-2013, 10:28 PM
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More likely it is Step 1 to competing for a Cup.

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More likely it is Step 1 to competing for a Cup.
nah he was right... you trade Kessel and everything goes to ****. Our team is to good to finish bottom 5, we have to add not subtract.

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More likely it is Step 1 to competing for a Cup.
Kessel for a player that hasn't played an NHL game? MacKinnon MIGHT make sense..but Monahan?!? He could easily be a #2C or a bust.

The Perry dream was fun while it lasted but realistically we have good wingers, lets try to get the #1C by trading up in the draft.

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03-18-2013, 10:34 PM
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My biggest want on the Free agent list is Nathan Horton, too bad he'll most likely resign. Bruins have tonnes of cap room and theyre a successful team

But man... A second line of:

Lupul - Kadri - Horton

Would be one of the tops in the League.

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You guys are concentrating on too much of the present and are losing focus on the end game. We are NOT winning the Cup with Bozak and Kadri as our top 2 C's as good as Kadri has been this year, but in 2 or 3 years how would Kadri and Mackinnon/Monahan look? When Rielly has 2 years into him, along with Biggs, Percy, Leivo and the rest of our young guys sprinkled in with with vets like JVR, Lupul and Phaneuf.

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Statsny seriously pass.....forget that

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I'm actually fully on this Gardiner for Couturier idea.

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You guys are concentrating on too much of the present and are losing focus on the end game. We are NOT winning the Cup with Bozak and Kadri as our top 2 C's as good as Kadri has been this year, but in 2 or 3 years how would Kadri and Mackinnon/Monahan look? When Rielly has 2 years into him, along with Biggs, Percy, Leivo and the rest of our young guys sprinkled in with with vets like Lupul and Phanuef.
What happens when you trade Kessel and finish with the 15th OA pick? I don't understand your logic here; trading a player who was virtually absent for the first 15 games of the year certainly does not guarantee a top 2-5 pick.

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03-18-2013, 10:41 PM
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What happens when you trade Kessel and finish with the 15th OA pick? I don't understand your logic here; trading a player who was virtually absent for the first 15 games of the year certainly does not guarantee a top 2-5 pick.
That's why I said if we can guarantee it is a pick that will yield us Monahan or Mackinnon, no one is going to trade a #1A or 1B C to you, if they do they are probably not a 1C but a poor excuse for one like Statsny.

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What happens when you trade Kessel and finish with the 15th OA pick? I don't understand your logic here; trading a player who was virtually absent for the first 15 games of the year certainly does not guarantee a top 2-5 pick.
grass is greener on the other side syndrome.

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03-18-2013, 10:43 PM
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My biggest want on the Free agent list is Nathan Horton, too bad he'll most likely resign. Bruins have tonnes of cap room and theyre a successful team

But man... A second line of:

Lupul - Kadri - Horton

Would be one of the tops in the League.
Would be amazing.

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03-18-2013, 10:47 PM
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I know, it's just really funny. Or sad. Or both.
I assure you, the irony is.... Precious.

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That's why I said if we can guarantee it is a pick that will yield us Monahan or Mackinnon, no one is going to trade a #1A or 1B C to you, if they do they are probably not a 1C but a poor excuse for one like Statsny.
I'd love to know who would offer you that ultimatum.

Why trade a 25 year old elite offensive winger for a shot at a top 6 centreman?

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03-18-2013, 11:07 PM
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I'd love to know who would offer you that ultimatum.

Why trade a 25 year old elite offensive winger for a shot at a top 6 centreman?
Because in fantasy land, despite the fact that Kessel "isn't a sniper, because he doesn't have a good one-timer, or slapshot", and he sulks when he's not scoring, and he is mis-cast in his role as a winger, teams will want to give up top-5 picks for that scrub.....


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03-18-2013, 11:22 PM
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I'd love to know who would offer you that ultimatum.

Why trade a 25 year old elite offensive winger for a shot at a top 6 centreman?
Because he crawls into a shell every time he sees a Bruin or is hit. He's an elite ppg one dimensional points producer, but if we went into a playoffs series against the Bruins, are you confident you could win with this guy?

That's why.

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I would trade Kessel if I knew it would guarantee us Monahan or Mackinnon.

Seems the only way you are going to get a 1A centre to our 1B Kadri is to draft him ourselves.
So we basically tie ourselves yet again by getting a center with no skilled winger? Seriously? Haven't we learned ANYTHING from the sundin era?

This only means we will have to be very diligent on signing Kessel to a strong contract. Glad perry is in the west.

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IMO Connolly goes for a conditional low round pick. 4th/5th if he puts up any playoff points 6th/7th if he plays any games
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i don't think any team will trade for TC
every team in the league has an AHL player on their team that can play as good or better than him. IMO he has absolutely no value. Not good enough for top 9 and not tough enough for 4th line.
My comment was in response to a comment made previous to mine.
Connolly might still be able to offer enough to a team needing depth but they're not going to give up anything for him. That is why I don't think he gets anything more than a conditional low round pick. If he doesn't play it would cost nothing.


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Because he crawls into a shell every time he sees a Bruin or is hit. He's an elite ppg one dimensional points producer, but if we went into a playoffs series against the Bruins, are you confident you could win with this guy?

That's why.
I am not confident with Kessel against the Bruins and I wouldn't mind if and when he gets traded but you don't trade PPG players for unknown draft players.

Kessel has been the one consistent forward on the Leafs year after year and even after a slow start this year, all signs point to him finishing PPG or PPG+ with 17-18 goals.

Kessel for: Top prospect closer to NHL ready (not the top prospect of a team), roster player/top 15 pick, 2nd round pick.

Kessel is not just a goal scorer...he's an amazing playmaker. JvR has 14 goals..at least half of them are easy tap ins into an open net.

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