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03-19-2013, 02:10 AM
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tbf he didn't stick with Florida either. Not surprising; not a fast or remotely gritty player but very skilled. Tailor made for the KHL.
His rights were traded to Florida after he signed with CSKA Moscow of the KHL. He didn't want to remain in the AHL on another two-way contract, especially having sacrificed two years when he could have been making decent money in his home country.

When the team offered him a two-way qualifying offer, he rejected it and decided to move on with his career. Throughout his tenure with the Moose, he had been making tremendous improvements to his game; in fact, he set a new team record for longest point streak just prior to being recalled for the Avalanche game featured above. His coaches in Manitoba praised him for improving his defensive game, his work ethic, and his determination to become better with each game.

In that first game of that season with the Canucks, he played very well, had several chances, and scored his first goal. He continued to play well in the first half of his second game with the team, then was subsequently benched. He could tell he would not be given a fair chance with this team no matter what, and when they decided to keep his rights, he knew he was better off financially returning to Russia.

In an interview conducted last June, he said he would be open to the idea of returning to the NHL one day if the Panthers are interested in making an offer. Here are excerpts from a translation of it:

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Vyacheslav Sambur: You came back to Russia and were called up to play for Team Russia, despite the fact you spent last two seasons in the AHL. What did you learn there?

Sergei Shirokov: I learned a lot as a person. I learned another language, I met new people, got a glimpse into their mentality… It’s a completely different atmosphere, and I was getting familiarized with it. It was tough during the first few months – and then my girlfriend came over. The one I just married. She helped me a lot.

As for the hockey, in all honesty, it’s a very good level. The game is fast-paced and physical. Most of the guys are young. They try to go to the NHL while AHL is just a temporary stage for them. Having spent two years in Canada I’ve gained more than I lost.

I talked to Alex Burmistrov about the Jets, turns out a lot of folks I knew from the Manitoba Moose are still there. They’re all real pros and they helped me quite a bit. We had a good team – we had a Swedish goalie, a lot of European skaters, even a Danish one! The rink was also fantastic. It had a capacity of 15,000, and we averaged about 10 thousand at our games.
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VS: Physically, did you get bigger during your time in Canada?

Shirokov: I did. I had to get used to aggressive hockey. I worked out a lot and now I’m always ready for a physical game. Over there nobody is going to skate by you – they’re all going to bump into you. And not only Canadians do that, but Russians and other Europeans too. If you try to just skate by an opponent a few times, your coaches aren't going to dress you for the next game.
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VS: Do you have any cheerful stories?

Shirokov: My first game ever for the Canucks on home ice felt incredible. During the national anthem the guy stopped singing but everybody in the building continued to. I got goosebumps all over. There were 18,000 people were singing… That was unbelievable.

I think they’ve sold out about 300 games in row in Vancouver. These guys really know their hockey. They appreciate not only the scorers, but guys who block shots and delivers hits. It is very pleasant to play in Canada.
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VS: You’ve put up some decent numbers in the AHL. There are players who get 100 points down there and still can’t make it to the NHL. Why?

Shirokov: Every team assigns its players to different roles. If you score 100 points in the AHL that's great, but you probably can’t kill penalties or play on the 4th line in the NHL where you're playing like 5-7 minutes a game.

You have to put a guy like this on your first two lines and you need him to score. If someone’s place in the NHL becomes available, you get a chance. However, even then it usually goes like this: somebody from a second line gets hurt – they replace him with a third-liner, and they replace him with a guy from the AHL. It’s like a chain.
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VS: What can you buy with a good AHL player’s salary?

Shirokov: I wasn’t making a lot of money but I can't complain. I rented an apartment and a car. It depends on how you spend the money. If you waste your money on nothing, no salary is ever going to cover it. I think young AHL players are pretty satisfied with how much they make.

VS: Are you going to try your luck in the NHL a second time?

Shirokov: We’ll see. Florida owns my rights and I’m willing to see what they’ve got to offer!
He talks a bit about his experiences in Winnipeg and his coaches as well.
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VS: Continue this sentence: playing on a team with Mike Keane is…

Shirokov: Very cool! It’s an honor for any hockey player. He’s a 3-time Stanley Cup champion, he’s achieved a lot! He was 40 but he'd still block shots in AHL games. Guys like this should only be treated with respect. He helped me a lot.

VS: Do you remember how you met him?

Shirokov: I was at the airport in Winnipeg, the GM picked me up, drove me to hotel and said: ‘Keane is going to pick you up tomorrow.’ I heard about him but didn’t exactly know who he was. Mike came the next morning, brought me a cup of coffee, told me about the team. He’s an incredibly positive man and he lives hockey. We hung out quite a bit at his place. He’s got a cabinet, which is like a mini-museum where he displays his trophies. There’s a lot of stuff to see.

VS: Was he strict with young players?

Shirokov: It happened. He never covered his emotions but he was never rude about it either. He would look you in the eye and say like: ‘Hey kid! Pull yourself together, we’re a team and you’re not doing so well tonight.’
He had a good attitude and wanted to learn. He was determined to improve, and had already made several strides in the development of his game. The Canucks simply did not give him the chance, and when it was time for them to re-sign him, he had lost confidence in the Canucks as an organization.

On the main boards, several users were discussing Pavel Datsyuk when he first joined the league. He was weak, shied away from contact, and often tried to do too much on the ice. It took time for him to develop into a physically-strong, two-way player. The team had patience and had faith in him, and he repaid their trust in him with his tremendous determination to improve and learn. They found a place for him and Zetterberg despite having a roster full of stars. The Canucks, on the other hand, mismanaged their prospects and did not give them the opportunity to grow with the main club.

Vigneault has no idea how to manage prospects.


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03-19-2013, 02:12 AM
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Looking at the end of the game, Luongo just pretty much stormed into the dressing room lol

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Thought about calling in to 980, but screw it, I'll just post my point here.

First of all, let me start by saying what I'm about to say doesn't mean there aren't other issues on the team. This, however, is the single biggest one.

Ryan Kesler is by far the most important player to this team, and he's broken. When Kesler is playing well, the effect goes through the lineup more than any other player bar none. It takes pressure off the Sedins, and sometimes even forces them into easier matchups, and it makes it so that guys like Higgins, Hansen, etc. can just go out and fly around and play their games without the pressure of knowing if they don't produce like top 6 forwards, the team just flat out won't win.

Kesler is the engine on this team, and he's injury prone and it freakin' murders us in terms of the trickle down effect it has on our lineup.


Kesler is very important. Him, the twins, and Luongo are what this team was built around. Of course he is missed. But I don't think for a 2nd that 1 player turns this team from a PT winner into a team that misses the playoffs. Not one bit.

There's something rotten here. If a team is this fragile, it goes beyond the players themselves. Kesler or no Kesler, there's still an issue here, and I'm pointing my finger directly at this coach as the problem.

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03-19-2013, 02:13 AM
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Looking at the end of the game, Luongo just pretty much stormed into the dressing room lol
I would too if I were him. The team in front of him essentially threw up their arms and gave up in the third period. Exactly how they did against detroit and nashville (they were lucky vs nashville) that rinne was garbage or they would have lost that game too.

This team is in serious trouble.

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03-19-2013, 02:15 AM
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I would too if I were him. The team in front of him essentially threw up their arms and gave up in the third period. Exactly how they did against detroit and nashville (they were lucky vs nashville) that rinne was garbage or they would have lost that game too.

This team is in serious trouble.
This team was in serious trouble since last January/2012, EVERYONE knew it on this board...EVERYONE.

Am I surprised they have played this badly? Yes because this team can gel and perform much better than what they're showing. It's just that coaching has been so garbage up a horses back side its been disturbing..

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Kesler is very important. Him, the twins, and Luongo are what this team was built around. Of course he is missed. But I don't think for a 2nd that 1 player turns this team from a PT winner into a team that misses the playoffs. Not one bit.

There's something rotten here. If a team is this fragile, it goes beyond the players themselves. Kesler or no Kesler, there's still an issue here, and I'm pointing my finger directly at this coach as the problem.
Which is why I said " First of all, let me start by saying what I'm about to say doesn't mean there aren't other issues on the team. This, however, is the single biggest one."

I agree. Vigneault's message is stale. The team needs a new voice.

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As happy as #Canucks seem w/ chances generated worth noting Nik Backstrom found it relatively easy, saying saw everything + rebounds cleared

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Dave Sheldon making a lot of good points IMO. Our players interviews sound as if we won after every game and AV is always saying the other team is a good team and worked hard.

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This team was in serious trouble since last January/2012, EVERYONE knew it on this board...EVERYONE.

Am I surprised they have played this badly? Yes because this team can gel and perform much better than what they're showing. It's just that coaching has been so garbage up a horses back side its been disturbing..
the most baffling thing to me is how they can come out after and say they throught they played well in the third period specifically... they played like utter garbage in the third period. No hustle.. completely disjointed, players trying to do everything themselves. Just a mess.

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Dave Sheldon making a lot of good points IMO. Our players interviews sound as if we won after every game and AV is always saying the other team is a good team and worked hard.
It's that "even keel" thing the sedins and the team has preached. I think it is good to be like that at times, but in times of great distress, it really hurts this team IMO. They just don't have the urgency anymore.

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How do you guys avoid being major pissed of after a loss like this? I cannot even talk to people right now and I didn't even watch the 3 rd period!

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the most baffling thing to me is how they can come out after and say they throught they played well in the third period specifically... they played like utter garbage in the third period. No hustle.. completely disjointed, players trying to do everything themselves. Just a mess.
And the players post game interviews is the old cliche, just like AV's..I'm pretty sure the players WANT to voice their opinions on the coaching right now but want to save face.

I believe there is pretty much resentment from the players to the coaching staff, players need guidance and the coaches are just sitting back taking huge dumps in the washroom as far as I know..

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Which is why I said " First of all, let me start by saying what I'm about to say doesn't mean there aren't other issues on the team. This, however, is the single biggest one."

I agree. Vigneault's message is stale. The team needs a new voice.

Ok my mistake, I'll revise: I don't think Kesler being out is the biggest issue this team faces. It's still the coach.

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How do you guys avoid being major pissed of after a loss like this? I cannot even talk to people right now and I didn't even watch the 3 rd period!
Kind of numb to how bad we are right now. It'll hit me if/when we miss the playoffs or bow out in the first round again.

Also kind of anticipating what might happen if we continue to be bad. I've been firmly in the "keep AV" camp for a long time, but I'm at the end of my rope. I'd love to see this team with a fresh, new voice. Feel like they could turn it around if they could manage to get healthy and the coach was fired.

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I agree. I felt from the beginning that this goalie situation would backfire on them. I think it has and I think it is effecting the team internally. Also the wasted cap space.

He might not be able to get anything for Luongo anymore and the only way he might be able to save face is to trade schneider now.
Schneider's value is way down too. He needs a huge roll just to GMs back salavating. So many other goalies potentially available atm.

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How do you guys avoid being major pissed of after a loss like this? I cannot even talk to people right now and I didn't even watch the 3 rd period!
i have realized this a merely average team, and as a result my expectations are set to a level appropriate. the glory days of 2011 are over

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Dave Sheldon making a lot of good points IMO. Our players interviews sound as if we won after every game and AV is always saying the other team is a good team and worked hard.
Couldn't agree more with him. Team needs to start giving a ****

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Kind of numb to how bad we are right now. It'll hit me if/when we miss the playoffs or bow out in the first round again.

Also kind of anticipating what might happen if we continue to be bad. I've been firmly in the "keep AV" camp for a long time, but I'm at the end of my rope. I'd love to see this team with a fresh, new voice. Feel like they could turn it around if they could manage to get healthy and the coach was fired.
I agree with the last part. If MG plays his cards right the season isn't over just yet.

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Price is a whiny little *****.

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i have realized this a merely average team, and as a result my expectations are set to a level appropriate. the glory days of 2011 are over
I still believe this team is great and elite, that's probably what's getting me so upset

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Vigneault's message is downright garbage at this point, no matter what he says..its vomit to the players. System is awful, players out of position, questionable benching's ( some warranted, some not so warranted )..

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I still believe this team is great and elite, that's probably what's getting me so upset
it's called denial. eventually u'll get to acceptance and be much happier. just like i've accepted to not expect to see the canucks win the stanley cup in my lifetime.

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How do you guys avoid being major pissed of after a loss like this? I cannot even talk to people right now and I didn't even watch the 3 rd period!
Feeling hasn't kicked into the fact the direction we're going in is nowhere but down.

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