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Just for fun -- Where do you fit in politically?

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03-18-2013, 10:17 PM
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By German standards though. Not by modern Republican standards. Would the FDP want to privatize Social Security and voucherize Medicare, like the Republicans have been proposing for the past couple of decades? Would they think Obamacare was socialism? Would they want marginal income tax rates dropped to 25 percent?

The modern Republican Party would be the Lunatic Party by western European standards. In America they're just the other choice when you get tired of the Democrats.

Bonus points to the FDP for having a politician who committed suicide in the most spectacular way this side of Bud Dwyer... Jürgen Möllemann, who jumped out of an airplane and chose not to open his parachute.
True. By German standards only. The things you mentioned would likely never be an issue with them.

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03-18-2013, 10:22 PM
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Wouldn't Ron Paul pretty much completely dismantle the social welfare programs? Why would any liberal be in favor of that? Most liberals might agree with Ron Paul on the social issues... oh wait, I just checked: no, they wouldn't. He's against gun control, gay marriage and freedom of reproductive choice.

Liberals who support Ron Paul are either very confused or not liberal.
Ron Paul is more of an antifederalist than libertarian. He has no problems with states enacting authoritarian laws as long as they don't violate his literal view of the constitution, not to mention his paleoconservative views fit right in with the slave owners of the late 1700s. He is also a huge hypocrite that railed against pork in Washington while having no qualms about bringing the pork home to his district.

Liberal leaning libertarians would be better off paying attention to a guy like Noam Chomsky instead of the fraud POS Ron Paul.

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03-18-2013, 10:30 PM
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If there was a San Francisco quiz I'd prolly register average and fit right in. If there was a Birmingham, Alabama quiz, I'd prolly register as Muslim-leaning lefty who refuses to produce his birth certificate.

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03-18-2013, 10:31 PM
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By German standards though. Not by modern Republican standards. Would the FDP want to privatize Social Security and voucherize Medicare, like the Republicans have been proposing for the past couple of decades? Would they think Obamacare was socialism? Would they want marginal income tax rates dropped to 25 percent?

The modern Republican Party would be the Lunatic Party by western European standards. In America they're just the other choice when you get tired of the Democrats.

Bonus points to the FDP for having a politician who committed suicide in the most spectacular way this side of Bud Dwyer... Jürgen Möllemann, who jumped out of an airplane and chose not to open his parachute.
I'm no German politics expert, but I do recall reading about the FDP proposing very strong health care privatisation reforms during the 2009 elections.

You could probably say that modern Republicans would be right at home in Switzerland though, where some cantons have top marginal tax rates of 20% and no socialised medicine.

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03-18-2013, 10:33 PM
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It's because he says and believes some truly bat **** crazy stuff. I am a liberal who has some libertarian leanings. I like Pelosi. I don't always agree with her, but she's never said **** like "owners of a bar should be able to keep black people out because they own it". He's said other **** I can't remember right now, but there's been enough of it that I just couldn't support him or the party any longer.
Keep in mind that by 'leftist', slip is talking about those who think the government killing innocent people is a bigger human rights abuse than gays not being allowed to marry.

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03-18-2013, 10:40 PM
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I'm no German politics expert, but I do recall reading about the FDP proposing very strong health care privatisation reforms during the 2009 elections.
From what I could tell just now by cursorily researching the FDP's positions, they want to strengthen private insurance options - I couldn't find anything about doing away with statutory insurance funds (not that you suggested that). As far as I can tell that would put the FDP's health care policy to the "left" of Obamacare.

I know even less about Swiss politics than I do about the FDP though, so I'm not getting into that...

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03-18-2013, 10:43 PM
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Ron Paul is more of an antifederalist than libertarian. He has no problems with states enacting authoritarian laws as long as they don't violate his literal view of the constitution, not to mention his paleoconservative views fit right in with the slave owners of the late 1700s. He is also a huge hypocrite that railed against pork in Washington while having no qualms about bringing the pork home to his district.

Liberal leaning libertarians would be better off paying attention to a guy like Noam Chomsky instead of the fraud POS Ron Paul.
Bingo.

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03-18-2013, 10:43 PM
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This political quizzes are so stupid. Not worth my time.
I never do them either. I just did this for fun. Don't be a spoil sport, TC.

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03-18-2013, 11:54 PM
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Interesting quiz, but the lack of foreign policy questions was a bit of a surprise.

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03-19-2013, 12:09 AM
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Halfway between an average Democrat and a liberal Democrat. If I cared more about the environment than the economy, I would've been further left.

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03-19-2013, 06:45 AM
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Lib but I can't stand noted lib homers on MSNBC

They are unbearable

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03-19-2013, 07:22 AM
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Ron Paul is more of an antifederalist than libertarian. He has no problems with states enacting authoritarian laws as long as they don't violate his literal view of the constitution, not to mention his paleoconservative views fit right in with the slave owners of the late 1700s. He is also a huge hypocrite that railed against pork in Washington while having no qualms about bringing the pork home to his district.

Liberal leaning libertarians would be better off paying attention to a guy like Noam Chomsky instead of the fraud POS Ron Paul.
So he's pro-authoritarian, a hypocrite, and his views are indistinguishable from that of 18th century slave owners?

Like I said, the liberal dislike of Paul is borderline irrational.

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03-19-2013, 08:09 AM
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Just left to the political spectrum. As left as you can get for social issues and average republican on economic. I really cannot possibly understand how people are willing to go more in debt to help the poor, the consequences for soaring US debt are much much worse.

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03-19-2013, 08:15 AM
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Ron Paul is more of an antifederalist than libertarian. He has no problems with states enacting authoritarian laws as long as they don't violate his literal view of the constitution, not to mention his paleoconservative views fit right in with the slave owners of the late 1700s. He is also a huge hypocrite that railed against pork in Washington while having no qualms about bringing the pork home to his district.

Liberal leaning libertarians would be better off paying attention to a guy like Noam Chomsky instead of the fraud POS Ron Paul.
It really ticks me off when people are so incredibly ignorant. You should really research his beliefs and then comment. I have spent literally hours and hours researching his beliefs so I can comment. Ron Paul holds some completely radical and insane views but you are so off base that you should probably not comment. He is sooo against any authoritarian laws by any level of government. He states that each individual state should have the jurisdiction because "it says so in the constitution". On a personal level, he does not condone it but still acknowledges the state to have the right in that particular jurisdiction. Noam Chomsky is great with respect to civil liberties but so is Ron Paul. I think Ron Paul crazy sometimes like when he says more guns equal less crime or his creationist ideas but his anti-authoritarian views are unquestionable.

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I scored pretty ****ing liberal.

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Unsurprisingly, on the far left, given the questions on religion, abortion, and same sex marriage.

Also questions that presume that helping the needy must also mean going deeper into debt are kind of silly.

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03-19-2013, 08:44 AM
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Unsurprisingly, on the far left, given the questions on religion, abortion, and same sex marriage.

Also questions that presume that helping the needy must also mean going deeper into debt are kind of silly.
What government is not running a deficit?

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03-19-2013, 08:47 AM
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Wouldn't Ron Paul pretty much completely dismantle the social welfare programs? Why would any liberal be in favor of that? Most liberals might agree with Ron Paul on the social issues... oh wait, I just checked: no, they wouldn't. He's against gun control, gay marriage and freedom of reproductive choice.

Liberals who support Ron Paul are either very confused or not liberal.
Ron Paul is not against gay marriage. He believe both the federal and state government should get out of the of marriage altogether. He believes marriage is a religious union between two consenting adults.

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I'm no German politics expert, but I do recall reading about the FDP proposing very strong health care privatisation reforms during the 2009 elections.
I researched this a bit more and it would appear that you are correct about the FDP. Their motto appears to be: as much government as necessary, as little government as possible. They realize their role is as a minority coalition partner at best, so their proposals aren't that radical for the time being, but given the opportunity they would like to privatize just about everything, it seems.

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Lib but I can't stand noted lib homers on MSNBC

They are unbearable

MAddow Shultz and Sharpton are WOAT

I'm with you on this. Unlistenable, and I won't tune into any of them unless it's election season and I'm jonesing for wall-to-wall coverage. Not that I disagree with them significantly on any issue - I just find them intolerable. Same with Chris Hayes, who everyone raves about. His pedantic, let-me-sit-you-down-and-explain-this-issue-to-you-as-if-you-were-a-five-year-old delivery irritates me. I think he learned it from Maddow.

I love Chris Matthews though.

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What government is not running a deficit?
I'm talking in the abstract. That one necessarily means the other and that such a decision would occur in a vacuum.

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I'm talking in the abstract. That one necessarily means the other and that such a decision would occur in a vacuum.
I gotcha.

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What government is not running a deficit?
Germany next year.

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Germany next year.
The exception proves the rule.

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I was about as far left as the graph would go.

Dumb quiz, though, as 6-10 questions really isn't enough to accurately gauge anything.

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Got what I expected. I'm a Moderate Republican.

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