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Marian Hossa - amnesty buyout candidate?

View Poll Results: Will the Hawks buyout Marian Hossa?
Yes 4 4.60%
No, they will keep him 78 89.66%
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03-11-2013, 08:38 PM
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I'm really questioning the bolded. Why would the NHL penalize the Hawks 18 million if Hossa retires 1 year before his contract expires when his total salary will have only been ~4 million more than his total cap hit? Also, why would the NHLPA ever agree to this?

My guess, and it's only speculation at this point, is that if a player's final calculation (after retirement) would give the team more cap rather than punish the team with less cap then it is null and void. Otherwise the league is just begging to have situations where Hossa sits on LTIR for a "shoulder" or "groin" injury to collect his 1 million. Or as many others have stated, Hossa receives a regular buyout with MUCH less of a cap punishment.

The formula makes no sense whatsoever without taking into account years where a player is playing for a salary below his caphit. That means it's actually punishing teams for players who meant to play more of their contract than those that meant to play less.
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Hosea is one of our best players, so buying him out would be just slightly above ignorant.

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03-11-2013, 10:31 PM
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Hey remember in August when we all talked about this and almost unanimously agreed it was both a terribly stupid idea and never going to happen?

...me neither.

No freaking way Wirtz eats $33 MILLION dollars. Absolutely not happening.

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03-11-2013, 11:05 PM
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Yeah, they are many other, better ways, to spend 33M dollars than using it all to dump one of our best players.

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03-12-2013, 06:21 AM
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This will get more interesting in the offseason after the 13/14 season. That's the last time we can use the amnesty Buyout. At that time, Hossa will be 35 and the remaining salary would be 23.8 million. That's still a lot of money. Having 5 million dead Cap for 3-4 years would be bad too as would be a 42 year old Hossa with 5.275 million Cap Hit. Do we think he will be good at this age too? It will not happen this offseason for sure. It would be dumb and wasted money while Hossa is still a Top5 RW in the World. That's not the player you buy out. 1 year later it might get interesting.

Coming back to the talk about him being good in 4-6 years. It's possible. Hossa is that kind of special player. Look at how good Selanne is at this age with his injury history. Teemus Knees are done since the 05 Lockout. He's still great. Look at Jagr. Lidstrom was one of the best D at this age and I think he still would be. Whitney just got a 2 year contract with 1 million less Cap Hit. Recchi was usefull at that age. I'm not saying Hossa is or was as good as Jagr or Selanne, but he is or was better than Whitney and Recchi.
Keeping him until that age would not be the end of the world. I can see us saying please Hossa, ONE MORE YEAR like the Ducks say about Teemu. Like others said it before. I think Hossa would be usefull. I'm against buying him out this offseason and 99% sure I will say this after the 13/14 season too.

Next guy will make a poll and ask if we should use 1 of the buyouts on Keith... interesting about Keith, from now on his paid salary goes down year after year

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03-12-2013, 10:38 AM
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I really don't see how this is even a discussion. Hardest worker on both ends of the ice and his playing style is influencing almost every forward on the team. Even if his production takes a nosedive in a few years and he puts up 40 pts a year with excellent defense, that contract is still decent.

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03-12-2013, 11:25 AM
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Brooks is an idiot who clearly had no real insight into Hawks cap as buying out Hossa is not only stupid but also no needed

Hawks cap situation improves with buyout of Olesz and then even more with buyout/trade of Monty or trade of Frolik this summer

The UFA status of Bolland/Hjalmarsson in summer of 2014 opens up alot more $$ going forward to worry about Kane/Toews extensions


Brooks is an idiot....

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This will get more interesting in the offseason after the 13/14 season. That's the last time we can use the amnesty Buyout. At that time, Hossa will be 35 and the remaining salary would be 23.8 million. That's still a lot of money. Having 5 million dead Cap for 3-4 years would be bad too as would be a 42 year old Hossa with 5.275 million Cap Hit. Do we think he will be good at this age too? It will not happen this offseason for sure. It would be dumb and wasted money while Hossa is still a Top5 RW in the World. That's not the player you buy out. 1 year later it might get interesting.

Coming back to the talk about him being good in 4-6 years. It's possible. Hossa is that kind of special player. Look at how good Selanne is at this age with his injury history. Teemus Knees are done since the 05 Lockout. He's still great. Look at Jagr. Lidstrom was one of the best D at this age and I think he still would be. Whitney just got a 2 year contract with 1 million less Cap Hit. Recchi was usefull at that age. I'm not saying Hossa is or was as good as Jagr or Selanne, but he is or was better than Whitney and Recchi.
Keeping him until that age would not be the end of the world. I can see us saying please Hossa, ONE MORE YEAR like the Ducks say about Teemu. Like others said it before. I think Hossa would be usefull. I'm against buying him out this offseason and 99% sure I will say this after the 13/14 season too.

Next guy will make a poll and ask if we should use 1 of the buyouts on Keith... interesting about Keith, from now on his paid salary goes down year after year
So....sorry to bump this thread, but......

IMO, the Perry/Getzlaf contracts make it very evident that Hawks will need to buy out Hossa in order to keep both Kane/Toews.

At this point it's really not about how good Hossa will be. Because at some point the Hawks will be crippled by his contract (and Keith's a bit further down the line). But will Rocky swallow $20+m?? I have to doubt it. Though if the alternative is losing Toews or Kane, I think the fans will begin to look at him in the same light as $ Bill.

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03-19-2013, 09:43 AM
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Another ludicrous signing by Anaheim as far as I’m concerned. I’m no expert in salary caps, far from it, but it seems to me that if those two Duck contracts aren’t out of whack and they become the norm for top players, something has to give. The cap is going to need to jump significantly. And soon, else, the league will be filled with either haves or have-nots when it comes to salaries, with not much room in between. The NHLPA should be very concerned as the rich players get richer and the rest are left to fend for leftover scraps. I can foresee players in the $3 -5 M salary range (especially those in their 30’s) settling for far less just to stay in the league. Some of the top loaded teams (like Hawks) will be forced to fill their bottom six (along with their 5th -7th dmen) with entry level like contracts to be in compliance. Am I wrong? Am I missing something?

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If Toews and Kane stick the team up, it just means smaller luxuries like Oduya and Frolik are gone in favor of minimum salary players.

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Another ludicrous signing by Anaheim as far as I’m concerned. I’m no expert in salary caps, far from it, but it seems to me that if those two Duck contracts aren’t out of whack and they become the norm for top players, something has to give. The cap is going to need to jump significantly. And soon, else, the league will be filled with either haves or have-nots when it comes to salaries, with not much room in between. The NHLPA should be very concerned as the rich players get richer and the rest are left to fend for leftover scraps. I can foresee players in the $3 -5 M salary range (especially those in their 30’s) settling for far less just to stay in the league. Some of the top loaded teams (like Hawks) will be forced to fill their bottom six (along with their 5th -7th dmen) with entry level like contracts to be in compliance. Am I wrong? Am I missing something?
No, but I think the cap (hope) is going to skyrocket after next season. If not, like you said, the league will be a mess.

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03-19-2013, 10:00 AM
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Cap won't skyrocket after going down so much this upcoming offseason. It will probably go up by about $2 mil in 2015 though

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Cap won't skyrocket after going down so much this upcoming offseason. It will probably go up by about $2 mil in 2015 though
Any time the cap has went up, it has usually been around 4M season to season. That's what I'm going off of, doesn't necessarily mean it will happen but I look to the trend first.

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Yeah a $64.3m cap is pretty ridiculous. I understand the league is dead set on parity, but there reaches a point when you take it too far. If teams don't wanna spend, then they should suffer the consequences. We had to put up with a decade of ****** hockey bc of it. That's life

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Cap won't skyrocket after going down so much this upcoming offseason. It will probably go up by about $2 mil in 2015 though
Well next year is fixed but I think we will see a considerable increase in 2 years.

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Didn't see that someone already posted the calculator. That's pretty scary.

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It's not happening, end of thread.

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I fully expect him to retire in 3 years when he will be off the books:

Here's his contract breakdown

LENGTH: 12 YEAR(S) VALUE: $63,300,000 TYPE: STANDARD EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
SEASON AHL SALARY NHL SALARY P. BONUSES S. BONUS CAP HIT
2009-10 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2010-11 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2011-12 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2012-13 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2013-14 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2014-15 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2015-16 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2016-17 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2017-18 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2018-19 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2019-20 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2020-21 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000


Right now he's 34 (birthday in January) and makes 7.9Mil for 2 more years
2014-15 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2015-16 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000

He will likely still be good for 2 more years

After that he drops to 4 million, and then 1 million - i doubt he continues players and likely would side with quality of life over a possible concussion


If he is injured, just LTIR him like all the other teams

It's the risk we took to win a cup (and i'd do it again)

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03-19-2013, 12:06 PM
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Can we just lock this thread?

Wirtz and Bowman know exactly whats going on with this contract and the consequences of it. There is absolutely no way that Wirtz agrees to pay Marian Hossa $33 MILLION to sit at home and/or play for another team. Its simply not happening. That alone should be enough to end this nonsense discussion. Evgeni Malkin will play for the Hawks before Hossa is bought out

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03-19-2013, 12:26 PM
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I repeat what I already said. Hossa will not be bought out this offseason. Ask again in a year when he is a year older and maybe more injuries happened

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I fully expect him to retire in 3 years when he will be off the books:

Here's his contract breakdown

LENGTH: 12 YEAR(S) VALUE: $63,300,000 TYPE: STANDARD EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
SEASON AHL SALARY NHL SALARY P. BONUSES S. BONUS CAP HIT
2009-10 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2010-11 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2011-12 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2012-13 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2013-14 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2014-15 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2015-16 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2016-17 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2017-18 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2018-19 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2019-20 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2020-21 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $5,275,000


Right now he's 34 (birthday in January) and makes 7.9Mil for 2 more years
2014-15 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000
2015-16 $7,900,000 $7,900,000 $0 — $5,275,000

He will likely still be good for 2 more years

After that he drops to 4 million, and then 1 million - i doubt he continues players and likely would side with quality of life over a possible concussion


If he is injured, just LTIR him like all the other teams

It's the risk we took to win a cup (and i'd do it again)
If he retires in the 2017 off-season, the Hawks will be on the hook for a $4,593,750 cap penalty through 2020-21.

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Can we just lock this thread?

Wirtz and Bowman know exactly whats going on with this contract and the consequences of it. There is absolutely no way that Wirtz agrees to pay Marian Hossa $33 MILLION to sit at home and/or play for another team. Its simply not happening. That alone should be enough to end this nonsense discussion. Evgeni Malkin will play for the Hawks before Hossa is bought out
It's more like $15 mill if he's bought out after next season.

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If he retires in the 2017 off-season, the Hawks will be on the hook for a $4,593,750 cap penalty through 2020-21.
Whenever Hossa decides to hang them up, he will be put on long term IR like Pronger or traded to a team like Isles ala Timmy Thomas to get rid of the remaining caphit. Hawks carrying 4.5 million of dead cap space for 4 years is highly unlikely.

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It's more like $15 mill if he's bought out after next season.
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This will get more interesting in the offseason after the 13/14 season. That's the last time we can use the amnesty Buyout. At that time, Hossa will be 35 and the remaining salary would be 23.8 million. That's still a lot of money. Having 5 million dead Cap for 3-4 years would be bad too as would be a 42 year old Hossa with 5.275 million Cap Hit.
remaining salary would be 23.8 and amnesty buyout gives the player 100%, right?

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remaining salary would be 23.8 and amnesty buyout gives the player 100%, right?
I think it's 2/3 of remaining salary.

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