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03-18-2013, 07:45 PM
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People thought the same thing about Z and Joe Thornton.
Kronwall was another big one.

This is bad news on Helm though. Every time he pushes it real hard something isn't right. Cannot believe he didn't need the surgery at this point.

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03-19-2013, 10:31 AM
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Hoping he feels better. Wonder if Nyquist will be back?

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03-19-2013, 10:39 AM
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Just breaking now.
If that prevents him playing, it's time to call Ferraro up.

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If that prevents him playing, it's time to call Ferraro up.
Or Tatar.

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Or Tatar.
He already had his stint. Eaves is a RW penalty-killer, just like Ferraro so better fit.

Basicly I want everybody who has been great down in AHL to get some NHL touch. And at the same time that rotation prevents the same guys driving the highway back and forth.

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03-19-2013, 10:48 AM
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He already had his stint. Eaves is a RW penalty-killer, just like Ferraro so better fit.

Basicly I want everybody who has been great down in AHL to get some NHL touch. And at the same time that rotation prevents the same guys driving the highway back and forth.
I like the idea but Tatar and Andersson on the third line somewhat makes up for the loss of Helm. Ferraro is deserving but he isn't gonna help this team as much compared to Tatar.

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03-19-2013, 10:52 AM
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I like the idea but Tatar and Andersson on the third line somewhat makes up for the loss of Helm.
The "loss" of Helm doesn't have any impact in the roster. Andersson is already there for him.

They already had 12 forwards there against the Canucks without Nyquist. So no call-ups were needed after these Helm news, before Eaves had his injury.

If Eaves is lost, then something could happen and I prefer Ferraro at this point. Let Nyquist and Tatar settle for AHL-duties again.

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03-19-2013, 10:55 AM
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Zetterberg leaves the ice with about 10-15 minutes left in practice.
Better not be anything serious.

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The "loss" of Helm doesn't have any impact in the roster. Andersson is already there for him.

They already had 12 forwards there against the Canucks without Nyquist. So no call-ups were needed after these Helm news, before Eaves had his injury.

If Eaves is lost, then something could happen and I prefer Ferraro at this point. Let Nyquist and Tatar settle for AHL-duties again.
The loss of Helm has a huge impact on the roster. Andersson is playing great but he doesn't have half the impact Helm has. With Helm in the lineup we are a different team.

Letting Tatar and/or Nyquist settle for AHL-duties is not beneficial to them or Detroit, and that's what's important - not the Griffins.

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Better not be anything serious.
I think Z has deserved just some rest.

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03-19-2013, 11:06 AM
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The loss of Helm has a huge impact on the roster. Andersson is playing great but he doesn't have half the impact Helm has. With Helm in the lineup we are a different team.
Of course, we are better overall team with healthy Helm yes.

But you are missing my real point my point all the time.

I meant people were suggesting Helm to return on the roster. Now when he is not returning, people are thinking somebody will get called, even though we had 12 forwards on the roster already with Nyquist send down. Simple as that. Don't have to call anybody. If Helm would have returned, we would have 13 healthy forwards in use --> Eaves on the pressbox or something.

But now, IF Eaves is injured, then we have only 11 healthy forwards. Then it could be time to call somebody again.

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03-19-2013, 11:08 AM
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The "loss" of Helm doesn't have any impact in the roster. Andersson is already there for him.

They already had 12 forwards there against the Canucks without Nyquist. So no call-ups were needed after these Helm news, before Eaves had his injury.

If Eaves is lost, then something could happen and I prefer Ferraro at this point. Let Nyquist and Tatar settle for AHL-duties again.
Weird logic.

Tatar has shown he's a capable NHLer.

If you haven't noticed, we're fighting for a playoff spot

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03-19-2013, 11:12 AM
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Why is Joakim Andersson even in the lineup?

Make Abdelkader and Emmerton your 3rd and 4th centers.

Call up Tatar at Nyquist

Flip Zetterberg Brunner
Franzen Datsyuk Tatar
Cleary Abdelkader Nyquist
Miller Emmerton Tootoo

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03-19-2013, 11:13 AM
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Weird logic.
So what is so weird?

I'm just counting the roster spots.

People are speculating with the "loss of Helm" and we have been surviving without him all the time.

We lost only the return of Helm. = status quo. That's my logic.

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03-19-2013, 11:33 AM
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Babcock said Eaves got hit in jaw with puck that deflected off his stick and is getting checked. He said Zetterberg is fine.

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Flip Zetterberg Brunner
Franzen Datsyuk Tatar
Cleary Abdelkader Nyquist
Miller Emmerton Tootoo
Swap Andersson for Emmerton and switch Cleary and Miller and I'm right there with you.

If Helm ever makes it back bump Abdelkader down, Andersson out and this is about as good a lineup as this team could hope to field given what is, or could be, available to it.

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03-19-2013, 12:23 PM
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Just breaking now.
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03-19-2013, 12:27 PM
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Weird logic.
No, it's not.

Andersson is in the lineup for Helm, already.

Unless Nyquist can play center, keeping Andersson made sense.

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Make Abdelkader and Emmerton your 3rd and 4th centers.
I'm pretty sure I've seen you bashing Abdelkader's center abilities, and now you want him centering the third line.

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03-19-2013, 12:34 PM
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No, it's not.

Andersson is in the lineup for Helm, already.

Unless Nyquist can play center, keeping Andersson made sense.



I'm pretty sure I've seen you bashing Abdelkader's center abilities, and now you want him centering the third line.

I'm OK with Abs as 4th line center, though I'd prefer him at wing.
But when your third line center is injured, if you don't want to make FLip your third line center, then you bust Abs to 4th line.
It's not rocket science.

Third line center injured, 4th line center moves up until 3rd line guy is back (unless you're willing to bump Flip down)

Make a lot more sense then making Abdelkader Datsyuk's righthand man.


And thinking about it...

Franzen Zetterberg Nyquist
Cleary Datsyuk Brunner
Tatar Flip Eaves
Miller Abdelkader Tootoo


The comment about weird logic was about Henka wanting Ferraro in over Tatar or Nyquist-- so that nobody had to drive back and forth from GR too much


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Damn, dude can NOT catch a break with shots to the head.
Too busy catching pucks to the head.

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The loss of Helm has a huge impact on the roster. Andersson is playing great but he doesn't have half the impact Helm has. With Helm in the lineup we are a different team.

Letting Tatar and/or Nyquist settle for AHL-duties is not beneficial to them or Detroit, and that's what's important - not the Griffins.
I agree, Helm is great on the PK and his speed is an x-factor against any team. I hope he can get back to full throttle fast.

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03-19-2013, 03:35 PM
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I agree, Helm is great on the PK and his speed is an x-factor against any team. I hope he can get back to full throttle fast.
So why not call Ferraro? Speed (Helm), PK ability (Helm & Eaves) and bottom6 RW (Eaves) is missing. Ferraro fits in every need.

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So why not call Ferraro? Speed (Helm), PK ability (Helm & Eaves) and bottom6 RW (Eaves) is missing. Ferraro fits in every need.
I said that earlier, and you didn't agree with me then... :-p

Yeah, the Wings should just give him a quick look to see how close he is to NHL form.

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