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Will Flyers Offersheet Alex Pietrangelo?

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03-19-2013, 12:44 PM
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I don't think anyone is even really arguing that the Flyers would succeed and get Pietrangelo. Only that cap-wise they could and Holmgren would.
So what's the point then? Surely there are better things to discuss, especially around trade deadline time.

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03-19-2013, 12:44 PM
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Completely agree.

I was simply pointing out that the Flyers could, in two perfectly plausible moves (buying out Briere and trading Mezsaros for a pick) create enough space for a $10 AAV offer.

I don't expect them to get the chance to do it, and I'm not at all certain it would work even if they did.
Ohh I know...I agree with you. I was just trying to add some more context.

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I'd rather offer sheet Shattenkirk. Everybody needs to shut up about this enemy thing too. You know how many offersheets are presented around the league but just aren't heard of. Homers playing by the rules, deal with it. He only did it once too...

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03-19-2013, 12:46 PM
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If St. Louis let BOTH of those guys get that far, it would not surprise me, but I cannot see them being that moronic.
I agree. However, I can't see Petro even coming close to getting an offer sheet. He'll be locked up for sure. Shatty's a little more likely to make it to the market, but I doubt it. The Armstrong has talked, he was the deal breaker in the EJ trade. Based on what I've heard he was the target. So going on that, I can't really see him making it to the market either.

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Blues GM Doug Armstrong said Sunday he isn’t worried about it: “You sign bad contracts when you sign contracts out of fear. We have stable ownership. We’ll match any offer sheet…We will get them signed at contracts everyone is comfortable with.” Armstrong added that “we’ve yet to see an offer sheet work with top-end players.” Shattenkirk also has arbitration rights, which would eliminate the possibility of an offer sheet.
Army himself on Petro and Shatty

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So what's the point then? Surely there are better things to discuss, especially around trade deadline time.
I don't think the OP is even a Flyers fan, and if you check the first 50 posts or so, it is filled with Flyers fans saying it wouldn't happen.

Then a couple of people suggested that the Flyers only had $2.8 million in cap space or something, and that's what prompted the tangent.

Anyway, I think Shattenkirk is a much more plausible target (via trade, not O.S.) for the Flyers if (and only if) he comes in asking for significantly more than the Blues think he's worth or really wants the opportunity to grow into a #1D.

In that case, I think the Flyers could offer a package around Coburn + that would at least get the Blues to think about a deal.

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So what's the point then? Surely there are better things to discuss, especially around trade deadline time.
Agree, this thread is pointless. I talked with you about this subject before...

We get flyers fans that think we can give 6m OSes (har har) for either player and think it will be anything but a waste of trees.

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I'd rather offer sheet Shattenkirk. Everybody needs to s.t.f.u. about this enemy thing too. You know how many offersheets are presented around the league but just aren't heard of. Homers playing by the rules, deal with it. He only did it once too...
Giving Shattenkirk a ridiculous deal would be the stupidest thing for any team that wants to contend.

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03-19-2013, 12:52 PM
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I don't think the OP is even a Flyers fan, and if you check the first 50 posts or so, it is filled with Flyers fans saying it wouldn't happen.

Then a couple of people suggested that the Flyers only had $2.8 million in cap space or something, and that's what prompted the tangent.

Anyway, I think Shattenkirk is a much more plausible target (via trade, not O.S.) for the Flyers if (and only if) he comes in asking for significantly more than the Blues think he's worth or really wants the opportunity to grow into a #1D.

In that case, I think the Flyers could offer a package around Coburn + that would at least get the Blues to think about a deal.
Coburn+ doesn't get Shattenkirk because the hole created on the right would be much bigger than the current hole we have on the left.

Jackman-Pietrangelo
Redden-Shattenkirk
Russell-Polak

is a lot better than

Coburn-Pietrangelo
Jackman-Cole
Russell-Polak

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03-19-2013, 12:57 PM
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Giving Shattenkirk a ridiculous deal would be the stupidest thing for any team that wants to contend.
Do you think he's not a potential #1?

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Coburn+ doesn't get Shattenkirk because the hole created on the right would be much bigger than the current hole we have on the left.

Jackman-Pietrangelo
Redden-Shattenkirk
Russell-Polak

is a lot better than

Coburn-Pietrangelo
Jackman-Cole
Russell-Polak
Agreed. The former is clearly better, and I'm sure it will be the Blues line-up going forward as long as Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo can be signed for reasonable deals.

My scenario really only comes into play if the Blues feel like they can't get Shattenkirk signed to a deal they are comfortable with. If that happens, the Flyers would likely be interested, and could at least offer an immediate, cost-controlled top-4 replacement (albeit a LH) +, which I would think would be a reasonably competitive offer.

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Bryzgalov + 7th for Halak and we promise not to send offersheets.
Your first has got to be in there somewhere just so we know you aren't lying

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Do you think he's not a potential #1?
Kind of like Rafalski. He's really good and he's in the top 20-30, but for a contender, you shouldn't pay him as the #1. Paying him over 6 million would be overpayment IMO. Anything less is more realistic, but we'd match.

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03-19-2013, 01:04 PM
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We also have to remember that Shatty has arbitration rights, which means he won't get an offer sheet.

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Army had better get busy Stewart, Berglund, Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk we got to get these guys locked up. I guess we will have to let Andy McDonald walk?

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Agreed. The former is clearly better, and I'm sure it will be the Blues line-up going forward as long as Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo can be signed for reasonable deals.

My scenario really only comes into play if the Blues feel like they can't get Shattenkirk signed to a deal they are comfortable with. If that happens, the Flyers would likely be interested, and could at least offer an immediate, cost-controlled top-4 replacement (albeit a LH) +, which I would think would be a reasonably competitive offer.
Coburn is paid 5.5 million next season and our budget is year-to-year as we are continually putting ourselves in better financial positions by raising prices and making more playoff revenue. The absolute most Shatty would get is OEL's deal, and Coburn would end up not saving us anything.

In the end, Shatty will ask for OEL and get 4.5ish, Pietrangelo will ask for Doughty, we will say OEL, and they will meet around 6.5.

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They're not going to Scott Stevens him, let's say that.

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Army had better get busy Stewart, Berglund, Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk we got to get these guys locked up. I guess we will have to let Andy McDonald walk?
Yep, and Schwartz will take a full-time top 9 spot.

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Yep, and Schwartz will take a full-time top 9 spot.
Isn't he an RFA after next year? Tarasenko will too in a couple years as well.

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We also have to remember that Shatty has arbitration rights, which means he won't get an offer sheet.
Please explain?

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Isn't he an RFA after next year? Tarasenko will too in a couple years as well.
Yep, and we should be more than stable financially by that point.

If we had a deep playoff run last season, Checketts said we would have been in the black, and we didn't spend to the budget this season, so we are close to stable.

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Please explain?
They will offer arbitration to him if they can't get a contract figured out, which in return will protect him from an offer sheet.

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They will offer arbitration to him if they can't get a contract figured out, which in return will protect him from an offer sheet.
Same with Petro then.

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Same with Petro then.
I don't think Pietrangelo is arbitration-eligible.

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Regardless they're both about to get a lot more expensive.

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