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03-19-2013, 01:04 PM
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At this point I'd sign Whitney.

We have horrible defensive depth and a lack of defencemen who can put up points. Do we want to create another hole in our lineup? I don't have faith that our management would be able to fill it.

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03-19-2013, 01:06 PM
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The oilers should be pressing hard to trade Whitney and Hemsky right now. I'd also easily deep six Nick Schultz. Can't trade Khabby becasue the value is not there and we have no viable tender behind Dubby.
Who do you replace Whitney and N. Schultz with after the deadline? Marincin needs to be kept in OKC so that we don't rush him and ruin his confidence so that leaves us with:

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Are you fine with that for the rest of the season? I'm not saying that it's a bad idea to deal N. Schultz as he has been underwhelming this year compared to last, but that is a rough looking defense IMO. If we could get Despres back for Hemsky then that'd make things a little easier IMO.

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Who do you replace Whitney and N. Schultz with after the deadline? Marincin needs to be kept in OKC so that we don't rush him and ruin his confidence so that leaves us with:

Smid-Petry
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Are you fine with that for the rest of the season? I'm not saying that it's a bad idea to deal N. Schultz as he has been underwhelming this year compared to last, but that is a rough looking defense IMO. If we could get Despres back for Hemsky then that'd make things a little easier IMO.
Have to agree. In Whitney's case even if he walks as a UFA is that really all that bad as opposed to dressing that lineup in exchange for the 2nd(at most) he's probably going to get us?

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At this point I'd sign Whitney.

We have horrible defensive depth and a lack of defencemen who can put up points. Do we want to create another hole in our lineup? I don't have faith that our management would be able to fill it.
At what cost and what length? If he gets any slower he's an AHL player. I would be very hesitant to sign him more than a year or two. If we can get a solid defense prospect that's 20-22 for him I'd do it. If we can acquire a 2nd for him, I'd do it and try to use that pick to get a replacement for him at the draft when a team is looking to move a player for a pick.

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The oilers should be pressing hard to trade Whitney and Hemsky right now. I'd also easily deep six Nick Schultz. Can't trade Khabby becasue the value is not there and we have no viable tender behind Dubby.
If you ate the rest of his Cap hit, Habby would be easily moveable, imo. And you can always bring a backup back in that deal or another.

You think the Flyers would have a "hard time" giving up a Leighton or Boucher for something small?

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Have to agree. In Whitney's case even if he walks as a UFA is that really all that bad as opposed to dressing that lineup in exchange for the 2nd(at most) he's probably going to get us?
Having him walk for nothing is unacceptable unless there's absolutely no trade market for him. I just don't want to see Marincin get thrown into top 4 minutes before the season is done due to injuries. I'd sooner see Plante up TBH as gruesome as that would be to watch.

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At what cost and what length? If he gets any slower he's an AHL player. I would be very hesitant to sign him more than a year or two. If we can get a solid defense prospect that's 20-22 for him I'd do it. If we can acquire a 2nd for him, I'd do it and try to use that pick to get a replacement for him at the draft when a team is looking to move a player for a pick.
He's speed hasn't looked all that bad lately. I would worry come the start of next season what his speed would be like though.

1 year less then 2mil you have to keep the guy around. Does he qualify for any sort of injury bonuses?

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If you ate the rest of his Cap hit, Habby would be easily moveable, imo. And you can always bring a backup back in that deal or another.

You think the Flyers would have a "hard time" giving up a Leighton or Boucher for something small?
And what would Philly add to those guys to make it worth out while?

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He's speed hasn't looked all that bad lately. I would worry come the start of next season what his speed would be like though.

1 year less then 2mil you have to keep the guy around. Does he qualify for any sort of injury bonuses?
And why does he sign that contract when he'd likely get more and more security on the open market?

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Having him walk for nothing is unacceptable unless there's absolutely no trade market for him. I just don't want to see Marincin get thrown into top 4 minutes before the season is done due to injuries. I'd sooner see Plante up TBH as gruesome as that would be to watch.
Is it acceptable to take ourselves out of a playoff race and make ourselves worse? What message is that showing that we are more concerned about draft picks then actual players?

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At what cost and what length? If he gets any slower he's an AHL player. I would be very hesitant to sign him more than a year or two. If we can get a solid defense prospect that's 20-22 for him I'd do it. If we can acquire a 2nd for him, I'd do it and try to use that pick to get a replacement for him at the draft when a team is looking to move a player for a pick.
It would have to be a short term deal for sure. One or two years.

If we can trade Whitney for a 2nd, are we going to get a better defenceman back for that same pick?

I just think Whitney is a decent enough stop gap player and we still have a need for his offence on the backend next year.

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And why does he sign that contract when he'd likely get more and more security on the open market?
You really think teams are lining up to give him multi-year deals?

If he wants to be here that's what he takes. Otherwise he can walk.

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I just think Whitney is a decent enough stop gap player and we still have a need for his offence on the backend next year.
This is all we are really looking for. Not every player has to be here for the long haul.

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The oilers should be pressing hard to trade Whitney and Hemsky right now. I'd also easily deep six Nick Schultz. Can't trade Khabby becasue the value is not there and we have no viable tender behind Dubby.
You don't want to trade Khabby because of lack of depth....but Schultz and Hemsky are disposable?

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If this 3 line system we have going continues to have success, we have a problem when it comes to dealing our forward assets. Hemsky is no longer AS expendable without a proper return.

You could try to invent a new 3rd line I suppose if we got rid of Hemsky. Sign Cheechoo for a year to see how he does. Buyout Smyth.


Hall - Horcoff - Eberle
Mag - Gag - Yak
X - RNH - Cheechoo
Petrell - Belanger - Brown

Shelter RNH until he gets his FO% up some and game back.
Trade Hemsky for some D help if Smid leaves. X could be a prospect from our pool if we can't find a decent UFA / RFA. Don't know if you give Jones another shot to recover a bit or not. Maybe for cheap.

I wonder if we could get Horcoff to buyout and resign for cheap to free up capspace that could be useful to sign Gagner with. I am against trading him, I think it would be foolish.


Glad I'm not a GM lol.

Against CBA.

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We should be lining up to get Bobby Ryan if he's made available. Exactly what this team needs.

We have the pieces to get it done..

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You don't want to trade Khabby because of lack of depth....but Schultz and Hemsky are disposable?




Against CBA.
I figured, that would be logical.

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We should be lining up to get Bobby Ryan if he's made available. Exactly what this team needs.

We have the pieces to get it done..
Sounds like he isn't going anywhere. Not anytime soon anyway.

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I figured, that would be logical.
We could trade Horcoff for a similar salary player that another team wants to buyout and then re sign him. So kinda similar to the Vandemeer/POS trade where instead we buy out Vandemeer. I could see that happening for some other players but i'm not sure of a comparable for horcoff.

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What are the odds Whitney wants to stay here though? After the last couple seasons, I'm guessing he'd rather try and start fresh elsewhere.

In which case, may as well get whatever we can for him.

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Anybody think we should buyout both Smyth and Belanger this summer if we can't trade them?

Smyth we could use the amnesty buyout and belanger an ordinary buyout. Belanger's cap hit for the buyout would be 920,000 next year and 400,000 the year after.

Saves us 3.2 million for next year, frees up 2 roster spots/contracts for next year and saves us one amnesty buyout for next year(Horcoff).

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Id like to target nick foligno at trade deadline. Can play 2nd or 3rd line. scores and adds little bit of grit also.

Foligno-Nuge-Ebs
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then in offseason Id like to add Bryan Bickell.

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Anybody think we should buyout both Smyth and Belanger this summer if we can't trade them?

Smyth we could use the amnesty buyout and belanger an ordinary buyout. Belanger's cap hit for the buyout would be 920,000 next year and 400,000 the year after.

Saves us 3.2 million for next year, frees up 2 roster spots/contracts for next year and saves us one amnesty buyout for next year(Horcoff).

Buyout Belanger and Smyth with Amnesty, no chance Horcoff gets bought out.

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Buyout Belanger and Smyth with Amnesty, no chance Horcoff gets bought out.
I'd do Smyth and Eager, and, if you can't fine a "deal", waive Belanger. Someone will take a shot on a faceoff guy.

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I'd do Smyth and Eager, and, if you can't fine a "deal", waive Belanger. Someone will take a shot on a faceoff guy.
No one claimed Adam Hall, and he's basically the same player at half the cap hit.

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I agree. A healthy Whitney is still a top 4 Dman. We need more of those. Not less. A one year deal for him would be ideal IMO. Gives Klefbom a year to get back upti speed and wet his feet in the AHL, and if Whitney stays healthy for another year he will be worth a lot by next TD. And if he can't stay healthy you waive him or just let him go after next year.
That may be the case, if he rebounds. However, it is a moot point, the salary cap is going down next year, Whitney is a prime candidate/victim.

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