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03-19-2013, 02:37 PM
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There is literally zero chance you get Cowen for Read. If that's the price, he can stick it where the sun don't shine.

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03-19-2013, 02:40 PM
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Bishop + Gryba/Borowiecki would be a great trade for both teams

I'm a fan of Read, would love him in a Sens jersey

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03-19-2013, 02:43 PM
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I suggested a Read trade with Ottawa, and as to be expected got the cold shoulder. Nobody wants any of the Sens players in trades.

Read for Bishop and Gryba/Boroweicki or similar was where I was leaning.
Me too...brought Read up earlier this year. He would be a good young option for our team and Bishop or one of our defencemen would make the trade a good one for both sides IMO.

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Bishop + Gryba/Borowiecki would be a great trade for both teams

I'm a fan of Read, would love him in a Sens jersey
I am not interested in either of Gryba or Borowiecki. Bishop interests me but not at the price of Read.

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03-19-2013, 02:46 PM
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I am not interested in either of Gryba or Borowiecki. Bishop interests me but not at the price of Read.
Bishop + Gryba/Borowiecki is good value for Read. He's a good player, but he's only one year into the league and while 50 points is nice he's on a lower pace this year with one of the more talented offenses in the league.

I think people just undervalue goalies.

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03-19-2013, 02:47 PM
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I am not interested in either of Gryba or Borowiecki. Bishop interests me but not at the price of Read.
Yeah, I don't really get it. Those guys don't seem much better than Manning.

I also agree that Cowen is an unreasonable ask.

This is a weird rumor.

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03-19-2013, 02:48 PM
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Bishop + Gryba/Borowiecki would be a great trade for both teams

I'm a fan of Read, would love him in a Sens jersey
That's not a terrible deal but I think it would Bishop + wiercioch. Flyers need offensive defensemen not defensive defensemen. I would prefer Ceci straightup but don't think Ottawa would want to part with him.

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Don't really see Read as an upgrade on Stajan. Rather have a pick.
Isn't Read a winger and Stajan a center?

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03-19-2013, 02:51 PM
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I am not interested in either of Gryba or Borowiecki. Bishop interests me but not at the price of Read.
Gryba is a rookie who is holding down a roster spot and excelling right now. Borowiecki is a similar player, but with less talent but more of a mean streak. Both could develop into great bottom pairing guys with a chance to make the leap to the top 4.

They aren't as valuable as Read, but they are good young dmen.

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Bishop + Gryba/Borowiecki is good value for Read. He's a good player, but he's only one year into the league and while 50 points is nice he's on a lower pace this year with one of the more talented offenses in the league.

I think people just undervalue goalies.
He missed time with a rib injury, came back early, and is obviously not playing at 100%.

In case you missed it (from Friedman's 30 thoughts):

"Boy, do teams love what Matt Read is doing right now, coming back to help the Flyers even though he is clearly in pain. Talk about gaining respect. "

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03-19-2013, 02:53 PM
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Bishop + Gryba/Borowiecki is good value for Read. He's a good player, but he's only one year into the league and while 50 points is nice he's on a lower pace this year with one of the more talented offenses in the league.

I think people just undervalue goalies.
Well, he's on a 48 point pace, adjusted for an 82 game season, in an injury-riddled season in which the team is awful. So while he hasn't progressed in terms of his offensive production, I wouldn't say he's taken a step back either.

Wiercioch would be better, but even he's just sort of...underwhelming.... for Read. [EDIT: I guess I just value Read more highly than Ottawa fans.]

I don't get the rumor, honestly. Briere to OTT makes sense (assuming he'd waive), but the Flyers really have no reason to move Read this season. He's under contract again for cheap.


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Bishop + Gryba/Borowiecki is good value for Read. He's a good player, but he's only one year into the league and while 50 points is nice he's on a lower pace this year with one of the more talented offenses in the league.

I think people just undervalue goalies.
Gryba/Borowiecki do not make up the difference between Read and Bishop though. Goalies are the hardest players to figure out potential. This trade is basically Bishop for Read, since Gryba and Boro wouldn't be an improvement to what we already have.

Read is still injured also. He is playing with torn rib cartilage. Every time he shoots he has pain. Bishop probably has some move value for what he was moved last deadline(2nd rounder) but not too much more.

With the Flyers having such a bad year, I would rather hold onto the pick and Read instead of getting Bishop with them.

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How do you spend $29+ million without having a #1 defenseman.
And the bashing of Bouwmeester continues. Even funnier because it's from people that probably have seen zero of him in actual game action.

So someone that plays nearly 25:00 a game in all situations and puts up a 40ish point pace isn't a #1? What do you call a #1? Bouwmeester is absolutely a #1. Put him in a market like New York, Boston, or Toronto and he would get the press he deserves. He is been solid in his own and end and has brought back his offence now that he has a coach that will actually let him use his speed and offensive instincts. Just look at where he was last night when he scored. He would never had that chance under Sutter.

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I am not interested in either of Gryba or Borowiecki. Bishop interests me but not at the price of Read.
Agreed. Read for what he brings alone is worth more than Bishop. Plus his cap hit next season is 950K. Not sure what else I'd want but Gryba and Borowiecki dont jump at out me

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I think Bishop is a good starting point, but neither of those defensive prospects seem that appealing. Wiercioch would be better, but even he's just sort of...underwhelming.
Wiercioch is a 6'4 fast skating OFD with 11P in 25GP as a rookie on a low scoring team.

How exactly is he underwhelming?

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And the bashing of Bouwmeester continues. Even funnier because it's from people that probably have seen zero of him in actual game action.

So someone that plays nearly 25:00 a game in all situations and puts up a 40ish point pace isn't a #1? What do you call a #1? Bouwmeester is absolutely a #1. Put him in a market like New York, Boston, or Toronto and he would get the press he deserves. He is been solid in his own and end and has brought back his offence now that he has a coach that will actually let him use his speed and offensive instincts. Just look at where he was last night when he scored. He would never had that chance under Sutter.
It wasn't intended as a knock on Bouwmeester. I think he's an excellent #2. I've also never thought Timonen was a true #1 during his time with the Flyers--which most Flyers fans would take issue with. At least I'm consistent.

And, to be fair, while Bouwmeester is currently on such a pace, he hasn't topped 30 points since, when, 2008-2009?

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Bishop for Read straight up is probably the best value. Both are worth roughly a B-level prospect and second round pick.

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Gryba/Borowiecki do not make up the difference between Read and Bishop though. Goalies are the hardest players to figure out potential. This trade is basically Bishop for Read, since Gryba and Boro wouldn't be an improvement to what we already have.

Read is still injured also. He is playing with torn rib cartilage. Every time he shoots he has pain. Bishop probably has some move value for what he was moved last deadline(2nd rounder) but not too much more.

With the Flyers having such a bad year, I would rather hold onto the pick and Read instead of getting Bishop with them.
How could Gryba possibly not interest you? Not watching the Sens I assume?

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03-19-2013, 03:00 PM
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Wiercioch is a 6'4 fast skating OFD with 11P in 25GP as a rookie on a low scoring team.

How exactly is he underwhelming?
I am interested in Wiercioch. Extremely interested in him. He has impressed me when watching the Sens games. The move and score on Price not too long ago was pretty damn nice. Although price probably wants that back. He has top 4 potential but needs to develop. Although Bishop+Wiercioch seems like good value to me, I just don't think this is a move Homer is looking to make.

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Wiercioch is a 6'4 fast skating OFD with 11P in 25GP as a rookie on a low scoring team.

How exactly is he underwhelming?
See, that's the thing. I was impressed with him when I saw him, but the scouting reports all seem fairly cautious in their projections of his ceiling. Anyway, I should have been more clear. That return is underwhelming for Read, who plays in all game situations, can play all three forward positions, and puts up a .5 PPG+ pace on a 900k contract.

For Briere? Done and done.


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Most i would do is Bishop alone. Wouldn't trade Wiercioch or Cowen str8 up for Read.

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Wiercioch is a 6'4 fast skating OFD with 11P in 25GP as a rookie on a low scoring team.

How exactly is he underwhelming?
Wiercioch is a number of things, big huge frame, cannon shot, fantastic poise and great hockey sense, great passer but "fast skating" is not one of the things id say about him. smooth maybe fast? not yet.
great rookie year and development has been exactly what the sens have hoped for - when the rest of the 15-20 lbs stays on that frame he will be a very dangerous all around defenceman
Im not particularly interested in moving him for anything other than part of a package for a reeaaally good player. i like Read but he's not that player.

Wiercioch is going to be a fantastic defenceman.

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I am interested in Wiercioch. Extremely interested in him. He has impressed me when watching the Sens games. The move and score on Price not too long ago was pretty damn nice. Although price probably wants that back. He has top 4 potential but needs to develop. Although Bishop+Wiercioch seems like good value to me, I just don't think this is a move Homer is looking to make.
Agree it is good value, but i could see the Flyers holding out for more too. If the Flyers are selling Matt Read at the deadline, he might very well be the most attractive player to all playoffs teams because of his cap hit this year and low hit next year when the cap goes down. 20 goal scorers with a year left on there contract under 1 million dollars who play in all situations would have a ton a value at the deadline for any playoff team.

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How could Gryba possibly not interest you? Not watching the Sens I assume?
I actually have watched several Ottawa games this year and Gryba isn't really what we need. He seems more like a shut down defender, which we already have Coburn, Grossmann, and Schenn. We need more puck moving offensive potential d men like Weircioch.

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It wasn't intended as a knock on Bouwmeester. I think he's an excellent #2. I've also never thought Timonen was a true #1 during his time with the Flyers--which most Flyers fans would take issue with. At least I'm consistent.

And, to be fair, while Bouwmeester is currently on such a pace, he hasn't topped 30 points since, when, 2008-2009?
Hard to pin that on Bouwmeester. He was misused under Brent Sutter; wasn't allowed to pinch and rush the puck up the ice, which it turns out, is one of his biggest strengths.

The Bouwmeester of this year is a better version of the Bouwmeester in Florida, albeit the improvement is mostly due age related growth and experience. Frankly, I'd suggest throwing out his offensive totals under Sutter, since they don't accurately portray what Bouwmeester's does.

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