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03-19-2013, 03:16 PM
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people are crazy to think dubnyk isnt a #1 goalie, he makes a ton of saves he shouldnt while letting in some questionable ones. He isnt facing random shots from the outside either, he is getting quality scoring chances against and coming up well i think.

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5-10 games? Show me on here where he had 5-10 terrible games in a row.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...22013&view=log
I really don't care what the numbers do or don't say, he was pretty plainly cold for a stretch compared to what he was doing to start the year.

As I said before, it looked like he was tailing off a few games before the road trip, then was more or less awful for basically the entire trip up until the Colorado game where it looks like he might have started another hot streak.

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03-19-2013, 03:31 PM
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I really don't care what the numbers do or don't say, he was pretty plainly cold for a stretch compared to what he was doing to start the year.

As I said before, it looked like he was tailing off a few games before the road trip, then was more or less awful for basically the entire trip up until the Colorado game where it looks like he might have started another hot streak.
The streakiness is the killer.

Wouldn't say he is in the midst of a hot streak at the moment. The team has played extremely well through parts of each of the last four games. Dubnyk has played solidly when needed. Does anyone honestly think Dubnyk 'stole' us a game in the most recent 3-0-1 streak for the team?

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03-19-2013, 03:38 PM
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The streakiness is the killer.

Wouldn't say he is in the midst of a hot streak at the moment. The team has played extremely well through parts of each of the last four games. Dubnyk has played solidly when needed. Does anyone honestly think Dubnyk 'stole' us a game in the most recent 3-0-1 streak for the team?
Of course than the argument against that is during his cold streak, what games did he loose for us?

2 Shutout losses and in most every other game the team was badly outshoot and out played.

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03-19-2013, 03:52 PM
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Of course than the argument against that is during his cold streak, what games did he loose for us?

2 Shutout losses and in most every other game the team was badly outshoot and out played.
That's impossible to say because we don't know what happens if he doesn't allow the goals that he should save. A goal against changes a lot of things that can affect the outcome, not just the number on the board.

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03-19-2013, 03:52 PM
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I really don't care what the numbers do or don't say, he was pretty plainly cold for a stretch compared to what he was doing to start the year.

As I said before, it looked like he was tailing off a few games before the road trip, then was more or less awful for basically the entire trip up until the Colorado game where it looks like he might have started another hot streak.
He really was only not great for maybe 2 games before the road trip. Then during the trip he had 2 or 3 good games. Then during the road trip him and the team couldn't do anything right except for 2 or 3 good games. Even then he wasn't losing games on the road trip, the team as a whole didn't deserve to win.

Since the Chicago game where he left due to injury he has been stellar again.

Every goalie goes through little funks like that. Look at Pekka Rinne lately, he's one of the best goalies in the league and he has a worse SV% in his last 10 games than Dubnyk had in his last 10 games leading up to his shutout against Chicago.

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03-19-2013, 04:05 PM
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The streakiness is the killer.

Wouldn't say he is in the midst of a hot streak at the moment. The team has played extremely well through parts of each of the last four games. Dubnyk has played solidly when needed. Does anyone honestly think Dubnyk 'stole' us a game in the most recent 3-0-1 streak for the team?
Just off memory he stole or was a huge part of winning these games for us this season.

Jan 20 '13 EDM @ Van
Jan 24 '13 LA @ EDM
Jan 30 '13 EDM @ PHX
Jan 31 '13 EDM @ SJS (stole a point getting us to OT)
Feb 10 '13 EDM @ CBJ
Feb 28 '13 EDM @ DAL
Feb 28 '13 EDM @ DAL (5-1 Win but if Dubnyk doesn't stop 33/34 this game could go a lot different, especially in dallas.)
Mar 12 '13 EDM @ COL

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03-19-2013, 04:10 PM
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Would be good to have a type A personality in net to compete with Dubnyk.

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03-19-2013, 04:37 PM
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people are crazy to think dubnyk isnt a #1 goalie, he makes a ton of saves he shouldnt while letting in some questionable ones. He isnt facing random shots from the outside either, he is getting quality scoring chances against and coming up well i think.
This. People watch Thomas or Quick in the playoffs the last two years and seem to expect Dubnyk to play like that all the time. If people think Dubnyk is the problem then they are not watching the team in front of him that doesn't show up half the time.

Also he gets tagged on for letting in a questionable goal at times but he never seems to get credit for making huge saves like he did against Nashville early to keep the game tied at 0.

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03-19-2013, 04:48 PM
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I found this kind of interesting....Goalies from the last 6 Finals and how they are doing currently.....and the 2 best are Niemi and Emery statistically. And both were guys on the market at some point after going to the Finals.


2012
Quick - 2.56 GAA, .896 Save%
Brodeur - 2.27 GAA, .911 Save%

2011
Thomas - not playing
Luongo - 2.47 GAA, .904 Save%

2010
Niemi - 2.26 GAA, .922 Save%
Leighton - AHL?

2009 & 2008
Fleury - 2.45 GAA, .909 Save%
Osgood - Retired

2007
JS Giguere - 3.00 GAA, .900 Save%
Emery - 2.26 GAA, .916 Save %

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03-19-2013, 05:13 PM
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That's impossible to say because we don't know what happens if he doesn't allow the goals that he should save. A goal against changes a lot of things that can affect the outcome, not just the number on the board.
It's a little ridiculous to expect him to never allow a goal and get us into OT at 0-0. If we don't score, the blame is on every player not named Dubnyk

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03-19-2013, 05:15 PM
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Just off memory he stole or was a huge part of winning these games for us this season.

Jan 20 '13 EDM @ Van
Jan 24 '13 LA @ EDM
Jan 30 '13 EDM @ PHX
Jan 31 '13 EDM @ SJS (stole a point getting us to OT)
Feb 10 '13 EDM @ CBJ
Feb 28 '13 EDM @ DAL (5-1 Win but if Dubnyk doesn't stop 33/34 this game could go a lot different, especially in dallas.)
Mar 12 '13 EDM @ COL
Good thing you added 'huge part of winning' to your definition.

Van/LA/PHX/SJ - yes Dubnyk played well to start the season. The SJ game is about where the streak ended.

Although the Feb 10th against CBJ was a stellar game in the midst of a weak patch. It is the one game you can truly say where Dubnyk stole a win.

The Oilers outshot the stars on the 28th and outplayed them.
The Oilers dominated Colorado. 4-0. Dubnyk played well enough to get the shutout, but did not have to stand on his head.

So five weeks ago is where the strong patch ended.

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03-19-2013, 05:39 PM
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You mean the stretch were he was on freaking fire? Does he have to play 10 amazing games where the team infrony of him consistanyly gets outplayed for it to be considered a strong stretch.

Funny how he gets no credit for playing great in the games where his teammates decide to show up.

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03-19-2013, 06:12 PM
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Good thing you added 'huge part of winning' to your definition.

Van/LA/PHX/SJ - yes Dubnyk played well to start the season. The SJ game is about where the streak ended.

Although the Feb 10th against CBJ was a stellar game in the midst of a weak patch. It is the one game you can truly say where Dubnyk stole a win.

The Oilers outshot the stars on the 28th and outplayed them.
The Oilers dominated Colorado. 4-0. Dubnyk played well enough to get the shutout, but did not have to stand on his head.

So five weeks ago is where the strong patch ended.
In all of these games Dubnyk played great whether he needed or got any goal support from his team. These games are games where all the Oilers had to do was show up play half decent and Dubnyk would have taken care of the rest.

I'm not sure what your idea of a "strong patch" is. No one expects him to carry this team on his back every game, all he has to do is give them a chance to win and he's doing his job. I feel he's been doing that and am more than happy with what he's done this season.

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03-19-2013, 06:19 PM
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You mean the stretch were he was on freaking fire? Does he have to play 10 amazing games where the team infrony of him consistanyly gets outplayed for it to be considered a strong stretch.

Funny how he gets no credit for playing great in the games where his teammates decide to show up.
When did he play 10 amazing games in a row? Even at the start of the season there were weak goals in most of the games. Name 10 amazing games this season?

Is he a top ten starter in the league? No. Is he in the 11 to 20 range? Probably.

Is that enough to ensure long term success for this team?

The current 3-0-1 streak could have been 4-0-0. The second Detroit goal wasn't a good goal, but it did beat Dubnyk with a weakness that is becoming obvious to more and more of the league. Slight move to shoot low then go high blocker side.


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When did he play 10 amazing games in a row? Even at the start of the season there were weak goals in most of the games. Name 10 amazing games this season?

Is he a top ten starter in the league? No. Is he in the 11 to 20 range? Probably.

Is that enough to ensure long term success for this team?

The current 3-0-1 streak could have been 4-0-0. The second Detroit goal wasn't a good goal, but it did beat Dubnyk with a weakness that is becoming obvious to more and more of the league. Slight move to shoot low then go high blocker side.
He doesn't get any credit for those wins at all? You're saying all he's done in the last four games is get us 7 out of a possible 8 points instead of getting us all 8, which is ridiculous.

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When did he play 10 amazing games in a row? Even at the start of the season there were weak goals in most of the games. Name 10 amazing games this season?

Is he a top ten starter in the league? No. Is he in the 11 to 20 range? Probably.

Is that enough to ensure long term success for this team?

The current 3-0-1 streak could have been 4-0-0. The second Detroit goal wasn't a good goal, but it did beat Dubnyk with a weakness that is becoming obvious to more and more of the league. Slight move to shoot low then go high blocker side.
Haha, the second goal was scored by Petry after Smid blocked it in front it went to the side of the net to Petry and he shoveled it into an empty net.

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That's impossible to say because we don't know what happens if he doesn't allow the goals that he should save. A goal against changes a lot of things that can affect the outcome, not just the number on the board.
There is a corollary to that too... That's why it is a team game. Mybe if they scored him one early or after the bad goal, he settles down and closes the door.

Why is it always on the goalie to bear down and change the momentum instead of any one of the 18 other players on the ice?

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That's impossible to say because we don't know what happens if he doesn't allow the goals that he should save. A goal against changes a lot of things that can affect the outcome, not just the number on the board.
And just to add... If a goal "changes a lot of things", what you are really saying is that our 18 non-goalie oilers on any given night are too fragile to maintain composure and concentrate after a bad goal... Isn't that exactly what you are accusing Dubnyk of?

I can tell you... These young, offensively focused oilers (who have scored at an alarmingly low rate this year) would be an incredibly difficult team to play for... It also isn't easy for a goalie to keep focus after you see your teammate blow coverage again, or be too lazy/head in the clouds to chase on the backcheck.

I'm saying this team would make P Roy hang himself... We need a G Fuhr type B guy and Dubby is doing just fine in a very difficult role.

That said, a type A, high strung, highly competitive prospect goaler would be a perfect complement to Dubs.

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Tonight is why I have doubts about Dubnyk.

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Name 10 amazing games this season?
Can't. Dubnyk doesn't have ten amazing games on his whole resume, never mind this season.

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Maybe, Dudnyks "battle level" isn't up to snuff. Remember the last Oilers goalie to play in the playoffs, Roli the Goalie. He just refused to get scored on, plain and simple. I don't see that in Duby, making timely saves would sure help.

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they need size upfront, mobility on defense, and a veteran goalie. Who will yell and scream and threaten to kick their ass if they start acting like disobedient little pukes, as children are prone to doing when left to their own devices

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Can't. Dubnyk doesn't have ten amazing games on his whole resume, never mind this season.
Fully agree with both. It just doesn't seem to be the battle level anywhere.
No fire no desire to win

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I think our team is too young to withstand the ups and downs of a young goalie.

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