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03-18-2013, 07:27 PM
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Toronto has both the Marlies and Leafs. No reason why we couldn't have your Vancouver Canucks and your Vancouver Millionaires.
I hope this is so. I don't like the name Abbotsford.

Abby's still too far to travel for someone (me) without a car! What I really hope for is a TV deal with sportsnet or shaw even though i don't have shaw.

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I'd be ok with them keeping their Peoria Rivermen name. Millionaires would be interesting as well.

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Just call them the 'Abbotsford Farmers'.

Works on multiple levels.

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03-18-2013, 08:08 PM
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the thing about the canucks owning the ahl affiliate is that they can straight up pay for charter flights/whatever the **** they want to make sure that the prospects get the best possible environment. there's not a ******* chance a team in abbotsford is going to bus anywhere so it might actually be beneficial to be this far out
Yeah. The travel isn't ideal, and it could lead to some complications when trying to call up prospects while the Canucks are on the road in the East and the Farm team is in Abbotsford or various other scenarios like that. But that isn't really a dealbreaker by any means and not all that different from having to bring prospects in from Chicago when the Canucks are at home. And Aquaman + Gillis and co. will surely do everything possible to ease the strain of travel.

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It makes sense as a business move AND a developmental move. Now the prospects can get access to the best trainers, facilities, etc.
And this would be the huge upside to that sort of situation. You can have the prospects closely monitored and give them access to the great facilities and other organizational benefits of the big club. For example, you could have a guy like Melanson out there working with the young goalies more regularly.

Plus there's no way it wouldn't improve the business side for both Abbotsford in particular, and for the Canucks organization.

And just owning and controlling the AHL affiliate would be huge. For an organization that prides itself on becoming a 'first class organization', owning and controlling the developmental farm team is a very logical step.

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If they move a team to BC, they will be playing in Abbotsford not anywhere closer to Vancouver. Why make another arena when they have one already in Abbotsford
I think the Aquilini's already own one closer to Vancouver I'm just spitballing obviously - I have no idea if you could work the scheduling to run an NHL team and an AHL one out of the same building. But, if you could, I think you would.

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There we go -new ECHL affiliate in Abbotsford, new AHL affiliate in Vancouver(ish)
That would be a downgrade for Abbotsford. One thing the ECHL has as a league done better than the AHL is develop a western footprint. I wish some of the western ECHL teams would defect to the AHL. The lack of footprint problem was a big factor in Victoria going back to the WHL instead of getting a pro team as an anchor tenant.

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Good for business in Abbotsford, but I'm a bit concerned about our guys playing there. Their travel schedule will be even worse than the Canucks'.
Not to mention fans freaking out because Jensen isn't scoring five hat tricks per period. I'm not sure it's a great idea for Canuck prospects to be too close to home where the fans and their reactions are more geared at individual players than the game itself (not a problem with the Wolves/Moose, for example). Some younger players could have their confidence shaken earlier than necessary with the added focus.

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03-18-2013, 09:17 PM
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Not to mention fans freaking out because Jensen isn't scoring five hat tricks per period. I'm not sure it's a great idea for Canuck prospects to be too close to home where the fans and their reactions are more geared at individual players than the game itself (not a problem with the Wolves/Moose, for example). Some younger players could have their confidence shaken earlier than necessary with the added focus.
Might as well get used to it.

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03-18-2013, 09:24 PM
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Not to mention fans freaking out because Jensen isn't scoring five hat tricks per period. I'm not sure it's a great idea for Canuck prospects to be too close to home where the fans and their reactions are more geared at individual players than the game itself (not a problem with the Wolves/Moose, for example). Some younger players could have their confidence shaken earlier than necessary with the added focus.
If someone's confidence gets shaken because of AHL pressure, they were never going to be any good.

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If someone's confidence gets shaken because of AHL pressure, they were never going to be any good.
Not from the pressure of playing in the AHL, from the Vancouver media scrutiny that they'd get as very young players. Not to mention the fans freaking out because now they're paying attention and a high-profile guy doesn't score for a game or two (look at this place to see how reasonable fans are). The AHL is not where players need the pressure of NHL fans already on them. I'd be curious how the Marlies have fared in this respect.

Anyway, a couple of Millionaires' shops:


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03-18-2013, 09:38 PM
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Not from the pressure of playing in the AHL, from the Vancouver media scrutiny that they'd get as very young players. Not to mention the fans freaking out because now they're paying attention and a high-profile guy doesn't score for a game or two (look at this place to see how reasonable fans are). The AHL is not where players need the pressure of NHL fans already on them. I'd be curious how the Marlies have fared in this respect.

Anyway, a couple of Millionaires' shops:
I'm amused that you put Barker in your proposed Abbotsford Millionaires jersey.

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Not from the pressure of playing in the AHL, from the Vancouver media scrutiny that they'd get as very young players. Not to mention the fans freaking out because now they're paying attention and a high-profile guy doesn't score for a game or two (look at this place to see how reasonable fans are). The AHL is not where players need the pressure of NHL fans already on them. I'd be curious how the Marlies have fared in this respect.

Anyway, a couple of Millionaires' shops:
Ha beat me, but this is my version:


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Not a fan of naming them the Millionaires if Abbotsford becomes our AHL affiliate. Team names should have some sort of correlation to the area they are playing out of. I don't think there's many millionaires playing in the AHL, and Abbotsford isn't known for being a rich, upper class city. Doesn't work for me.

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Not a fan of naming them the Millionaires if Abbotsford becomes our AHL affiliate. Team names should have some sort of correlation to the area they are playing out of. I don't think there's many millionaires playing in the AHL, and Abbotsford isn't known for being a rich, upper class city. Doesn't work for me.
What to call them though?

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Not a fan of naming them the Millionaires if Abbotsford becomes our AHL affiliate. Team names should have some sort of correlation to the area they are playing out of. I don't think there's many millionaires playing in the AHL, and Abbotsford isn't known for being a rich, upper class city. Doesn't work for me.
That's what's great about those jerseys. You can have a link to the big club with them without naming the team the Millionaires.

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What to call them though?
Abbotsford convicts

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That's what's great about those jerseys. You can have a link to the big club with them without naming the team the Millionaires.
That's true. There needs to be a connection somehow between the Canucks and Abbotsford, and that is a great way to achieve that. No clue what to call Abbotsford yet though.

I actually like the name Vancouver Millionaires better than Vancouver Canucks, too bad they didn't stick with it when they originated.

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Why on earth would St Louis sell the affiliate that they own in Peoria and affiliate themselves with the Wolves? The team has decent attendance and they control every aspect of their minor league team.

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Why on earth would St Louis sell the affiliate that they own in Peoria and affiliate themselves with the Wolves? The team has decent attendance and they control every aspect of their minor league team.
Probably money related.

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Probably money related.
Tom Stillman and the Blues ownership group aren't exactly flush with cash. They have big money cash outlays upcoming if they want to keep their NHL team intact and competitive, and in a lot of ways...the Wolves would represent an excellent parter for them as an AHL affiliate. The Wolves are a group that is as wealthy as any in the AHL, and willing to spend their own money to ice a competitive team. In that regard, it probably means less pressure on the Blues ownership group to sign up a bunch of $$$ AHL free agents and the like. And it's still very 'local' for them as well.

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This still makes absolutely no sense to me.

If the St Louis Blues want to remain competitive in the cap era they need to continually develop talent. The best way to maintain this is to own their farm team and have control over their prospects. If the Peoria Rivermen are financially solvent there is no reason to sell. An AHL team is maybe worth $5 to $6 million. This is peanuts relatively for an NHL owner over the long run.

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Frankly I could care less if Aquilini wants to make a tiny bit of money on a local AHL team. What should be most important here is that the Canucks farm team be able to develop talent and keep the big club competitive. If the Canucks go on a slide and start the missing the playoffs again, I guarantee that attendance will drop and no one will give one crap that the farm team is in Abbotsford.

I don't believe for one second that Abbotsford is a good location for a minor league system with what the Heat have been through. Abbotsford has the worst travel in the AHL by far, the least amount of practice time and a major issue with injuries. This is not a good situation to bring prospects in and to be quite honest their games are boring as heck to watch.

And while we're on the subject, if the Canucks are stubborn or greedy enough to put a team in Abbotsford, why the heck would they want to brand them the Millionaires and make them wear maroon uniforms? For a team that currently owns the only blue and green colour scheme in the NHL this would be a really stupid marketing plan. The Canucks need to tie into blue and green even more. If anything they should be debut a green and blue third jersey soon to preempt a potential team in Seattle from doing the same.

If they must have a team in Abbotsford call them the Fraser Valley Foresters and give them Johnny Canuck uniforms. The Canucks will have every merchandising corner of the local market covered then.

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I think I was the first to propose this, and you totally did it justice! I would buy one if these in a heartbeat!

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The Abbotsford Aviators?

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I dont think that they would do the old jerseys just from a branding perspective. The canucks colors have a lot more power and I am sure that their marketing angle will be to come and see the "future canucks".

that and I rememer Laurence Gilman being previously interviewed and asked about the AHL affiliate stating that it was either a goal/in the strategic plan to have another team in the BC/Pacific Northwest in "blue green and white". Can't remember exactly which interview sorry but I have an uncanny ability to recollect these things.

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Would be fun to give them the old orange, yellow and black with the skate logo!

Not gonna happen but would be fun!

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