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03-18-2013, 08:07 PM
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I think GMMG giving out an NTC is a problem, I'm not saying we need to trade anyone that has one, I'm saying I'd rather they not have that security blanket as it makes them a little more accountable given that a trade could happen if they aren't fixing their problems,but I guess getting a discount warrants an NTC, I'm very glad Edler didn't get one.
The problem is that those NTC have probably saved us about $6-8 M in cap space. Would you rather have guys sign for $1 M less or have no NTC to hinder you in making a deal?

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The problem is that those NTC have probably saved us about $6-8 M in cap space. Would you rather have guys sign for $1 M less or have no NTC to hinder you in making a deal?
Especially since by the time a NTC becomes a hindrance (i.e. you want to get rid of the player) they'd probably be a lot tougher to trade and/or far less valuable due to their increased cap hit. So not only are you stuck paying them more while you have them, but getting good value back might be just as hard as if they had a NTC.

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The problem is that those NTC have probably saved us about $6-8 M in cap space. Would you rather have guys sign for $1 M less or have no NTC to hinder you in making a deal?
Some of the contracts Gillis handed out warrant NTC's - like Kesler's or the Twins......but some of the others are head scratchers..........like Bieksa's. $4.6 mill for Bieksa is not enough? An NTC is really needed to retain him?

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Some of the contracts Gillis handed out warrant NTC's - like Kesler's or the Twins......but some of the others are head scratchers..........like Bieksa's. $4.6 mill for Bieksa is not enough? An NTC is really needed to retain him?

Mistake.
I think after Bieksa spent about 2 years being the topic du jour of trade rumors any extension without some sort of NTC would probably be a non-starter.

That said, I would like to see the team be a little less willing to hand them out. All the cap savings from the NTC/NMCs are simply obliterated by the waste on the roster.

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Some of the contracts Gillis handed out warrant NTC's - like Kesler's or the Twins......but some of the others are head scratchers..........like Bieksa's. $4.6 mill for Bieksa is not enough? An NTC is really needed to retain him?

Mistake.
Considering the fact he was rumored to be traded the past 2 seasons before he signed, I'd say that it was a demand of his

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Considering the fact he was rumored to be traded the past 2 seasons before he signed, I'd say that it was a demand of his
I bet it's a demand of everyone that signs with Vancouver. ****, the entire ****ing team has a NTC.

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I bet it's a demand of everyone that signs with Vancouver. ****, the entire ****ing team has a NTC.
Fine. Please point out which player you said at the time should have been signed for $.5 - 1 M more at the time, instead of the NTC. Hindsight is wonderful, but who doesn't have that. I repeat, would you rather have to juggle the line up with $6M more cap hit?

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Not a great night for them to be at the game.
Wow what a night to be a Canucks fan.

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Last nights performance would have no bearing on Luongo's skill or value.

All 3 goals were NHL goals, that no goalies would stop consistently.

1. Brodin's seeing eye shot through a mass amount of screens (Raymond should have got the puck out....I knew it was going in before Brodin got the puck).

2. Coyle tip - on another night, he may have been lucky enough for the puck to hit him, not last night.

3. Cullen's breakaway - awful read by Ballard creates breakaway. You hope he comes up with the save, but you don't blame him for not.

Anyways, the league knows what they're getting in Luongo, the resume is long....one night doesn't change anything.

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Oh Bobby Mac. Say it enough times and something's bound to happen, right?

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Oh Bobby Mac. Say it enough times and something's bound to happen, right?
Bobby Mac knows crapola about the Canucks. If he got any info, it's cause one of the teams interested in Lu is talking.

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Warning: I'm posting a Botchford tweet again. U don't like? Don't read

Tweeter: What's your % of Lui being here in 2 weeks? Still at 5%?
Botch: why would I change just when things are getting cooking again?
Tweeter: single dish cooking or multiple?
Botch: TO watches everything. Washington. There are things going on, for sure

Did Washington just enter the Luongo sweepstakes?

Reminder: Botchford a tool. That we can all agree on. But he was the ONLY person who said there were 2 other teams in the Luongo sweepstake before the lockout started. Since then we found out it was Edm and Philly. So.... he may be a tool... but he had 1 thing right.

Edit: Also, GM's meetings tomorrow. Friedman said Gillis is taking his whole scouting staff. That seems kind of odd. But considering there's 'rumors' the Luongo chatter is heating up - maybe it's not so surprising.


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I think the deadline is the time to trade Luongo. The canucks can't afford both Schneider and Luongo next season. And trade value for an established player is always higher at the deadline than the offseason.

Take the Best offer Gillis and run with it.

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I think the deadline is the time to trade Luongo. The canucks can't afford both Schneider and Luongo next season. And trade value for an established player is always higher at the deadline than the offseason.

Take the Best offer Gillis and run with it.
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Dont understand why Stevie Y isnt calling for Luo already.

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Please point out which player you said at the time should have been signed for $.5 - 1 M more at the time...
Fallacy of the excluded middle.

If Gillis stands firm, does Bieksa really get offered $5.5M elsewhere? And if he does, does he actually take it?

 
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Dont understand why Stevie Y isnt calling for Luo already.
Stevie Y is beginning to look overrated. All that offensive talent going to waste with awful goaltending and defence.

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Dont understand why Stevie Y isnt calling for Luo already.
It's mindblowing isn't it? Of all the coaches/GMs on the hotseat, I don't understand how he isn't.

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Stevie Y is beginning to look overrated. All that offensive talent going to waste with awful goaltending and defence.
Beginning?

Who couldn't have picked team Canada?

He's not a very good NHL GM, hasn't done one iota to make me think otherwise.

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If 1 team could benefit from Luongo the most.. It'd be Tbay. It really is a perfect fit and they have assets that could help us as well. Luongo was Stevie Y's goalie in the Olympics for crying out loud.

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Who couldn't have picked team Canada?

He's not a very good NHL GM, hasn't done one iota to make me think otherwise.
Agreed. I was being charitable. He got off to a good start and his coach was labelled a genius. Now the reality is setting in. Even with the offensive fire power, that team is just not built well at all. Down 4 to 0 to the Leafs after one period when the team needed a big game.

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Dont understand why Stevie Y isnt calling for Luo already.
Garon is putting up same SV% as Schneider, and Lindback is putting up same SV% as Luongo. The two of them *combined* cost less than half of Schneider alone.

I don't see a compelling reason for them to start swapping away assets.

 
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Garon is putting up same SV% as Schneider, and Lindback is putting up same SV% as Luongo. The two of them *combined* cost less than half of Schneider alone.

I don't see a compelling reason for them to start swapping away assets.
Yeah in 11 games. He has a save percentage of just over .900 for the last two years and after tonight he'll be close to that again. Lindback is still too early to say but so far he is struggling.

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