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03-19-2013, 10:36 PM
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Ryan Miller, Thomas Vanek, Jason Pominville, Drew Stafford

The big remainder of the "Rochester" core. What is their future with the Sabres. Some traded at the TD and the rest at the draft?

Is Miller even have value? I have trouble seeing any team that would want him/ make a trade because of his contract and age and minimal upgrade over other starters.

I posted a similar thread on the main board but I am curious to hear about Sabres fans opinions.

Pominville/Vanek to the Kings or Penguins?

Stafford to Minnesota or NJ?

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03-19-2013, 10:39 PM
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Stafford's gone for sure, the other 3 stay.

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They won't ditch all 4, not this season/off-season anyway. At best you'll see 2 of them gone. Stafford's the most likely to be moved, Pominville/Miller will only go if Regier gets a big offer and Vanek isn't likely to be moved at all.

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Staff goes at the deadline.
Piss + Vinegar stay.
Miller in the offseason.

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Who would take Miller though. He has such little value

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Who would take Miller though. He has such little value
About a week ago he had lots its so what have you done for me lately around here. We could move him for halak+1st or schwartz

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Who would take Miller though. He has such little value
He's a top 10-15 goalie who needs a change of scenery.

People will come, Ray

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The big remainder of the "Rochester" core. What is their future with the Sabres. Some traded at the TD and the rest at the draft?

Is Miller even have value? I have trouble seeing any team that would want him/ make a trade because of his contract and age and minimal upgrade over other starters.

I posted a similar thread on the main board but I am curious to hear about Sabres fans opinions.

Pominville/Vanek to the Kings or Penguins?

Stafford to Minnesota or NJ?
If they could get Tyler Toffoli, then I'd send just about anyone to the Kings.

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Who would take Miller though. He has such little value
He won't if we wait too long and he pulls a Hasek.

But as of now...he does..

I think he'd fetch a late first and a pretty good prospect.

Say Chicago ... 1st and McNeil or something.

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Staff goes at the deadline.
Piss + Vinegar stay.
Miller in the offseason.
I see something similar. Regehr, Leopold, and a non-UFA candidate (probably Staff) go at the deadline. One of Pommer or Miller goes near the draft in the big offseason shakeup move we all want.

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Trade Stafford - Might not even be worth it at this point, doubt we could get much in return.

Trade Pominville - I just think we could get too good of a package to turn down at the deadline. He's our best bet at a major deadline deal.

Keep Vanek

Miller won't get good enough return to be worth it.

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Who would take Miller though. He has such little value
teams that are most likely playoff bound that don't have the ideal Goaltending situation.

San Jose and St Louis come to mind out west. Tampa seems to be a team in the east that would want to upgrade that position.

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Trade Stafford - Might not even be worth it at this point, doubt we could get much in return.

Trade Pominville - I just think we could get too good of a package to turn down at the deadline

Keep Vanek

Miller won't get good enough return to be worth it.
That's a fair point. He might bounce back to his old form (which is 20G a year Stafford, not the 30G anomaly.) If so, that probably is more valuable than what they could get in return (a pick or an OK prospect, one would assume). It depends on how much value you put on a "culture change."

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teams that are most likely playoff bound that don't have the ideal Goaltending situation.

San Jose and St Louis come to mind out west. Tampa seems to be a team in the east that would want to upgrade that position.
St Louis is set with Allen playing well and Halak a veteran with playoff experience, Chicago is just fine with their tandem, SJ has cup winning goalie. Stevie Y said he wants a young goalie (Lindback) and for him to grow with the team

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He's a top 10-15 goalie who needs a change of scenery.

People will come, Ray
so basically, he's your average goalie... yea, people will be lining up to get one of those...they are so rare...

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Who would take Miller though. He has such little value
This drives me nuts. He has tons of value because he's low risk. You get him for playoffs and you can say one more year so not just a rental. Plus, you can then trade him at deadline next year, if you're not in it. Pommers/Vanek/miller have contracts people want

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people need to lower their expectations...

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That's a fair point. He might bounce back to his old form (which is 20G a year Stafford, not the 30G anomaly.) If so, that probably is more valuable than what they could get in return (a pick or an OK prospect, one would assume). It depends on how much value you put on a "culture change."
Also depends on what they'd do with the freed-up cap space, if there even is any. If the best they can do is a change-of-scenery type of deal and take on another team's version of Stafford, it'd probably be a waste.

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This drives me nuts. He has tons of value because he's low risk. You get him for playoffs and you can say one more year so not just a rental. Plus, you can then trade him at deadline next year, if you're not in it. Pommers/Vanek/miller have contracts people want
yea, contracts like there's are traded all the time when its not in UFA year...

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Goalies don't have a lot of value anymore. There is a bunch of good goalies out there

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so basically, he's your average goalie... yea, people will be lining up to get one of those...they are so rare...
At his extreme low point he's an average goalie, but he's still top 5 in Sv% among heavy-workload goaltenders over the past 4 years. Certain GMs like to bank on squeezing juice out of near-dry lemons. One year of risk. The ability to share the cost. 1+1+1+1=4

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There's also only a few playoff teams that would be interested in a new starting goaltender.

And I don't consider Chicago to be one, they aren't going to make a major roster change like that going into the playoffs while they are on top of the world right now. They just won't risk changing the locker room environment over there.

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Goalies don't have a lot of value anymore. There is a bunch of good goalies out there
There's hardly such a thing at all. There are goalies marginally better than average, and Miller is one of them.

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At his extreme low point he's an average goalie, but he's still top 5 in Sv% among heavy-workload goaltenders over the past 4 years. Certain GMs like to bank on squeezing juice out of near-dry lemons. One year of risk. The ability to share the cost. 1+1+1+1=4
name 1 comparable goalie trade since the lockout

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The problem with goaltender value is that it usually just depends on how good the team is in front of them. It's not surprising that the 'top' goaltenders seem to change every year. Goaltenders nowadays are all so similar to each other, all taller guys, same style, big pads, etc..it's hard to really stand out in my opinion.

There's just so many NHL goaltenders that can step in and do the job now as long as the team plays well enough defensively.


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